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Quote Carmel……….Jesus is not both Father and Son. that is an oxymoron you can't be both at one time Gene,
ARE YOU CONSIDERING THIS EVEN REGARDING GOD???
Quote Jesus is not both Father and Son. John 14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip,
HE THAT SEETH ME SEETH THE FATHER ALSO.
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
Quote God the Father who is a Spirt was in Jesus But that does not make the person that God is in a God of anykind. GENE : You should have written the above properly READ:
FATHER (SPIRIT)IN THE SON (JESUS)NO???
OR!
GOD THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS WHO IS FLESH. OK???
SO THE SPIRIT (GOD)WAS IN THE FLESH.( JESUS)OK???
OR PROPERLY STILL
GOD IN FLESH OK???
WHAT'S WRONG WITH :
GOD IN FLESH
FATHER IN THE SON
DIDN'T JESUS CONFIRM THAT THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING,AND ONLY THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE???
SO IF THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE TO THE FLESH,
THAT PARTICULAR FLESH IS THE MANIFESTATION OF THAT PARTICULAR SPIRIT NO???
SO JESUS' FLESH BODY,WAS ONLY ALIVE THROUGH THE FATHER'S SPIRIT NO??? SINCE THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE!!!
SO JESUS IS THE FATHER MANIFESTED NO???
SO JESUS IS THE FATHER AS LONG AS THE FATHER REMAINS IN HIM NO???
NOW READ:
Hebrews 1:3 Who (JESUS)being the brightness of his(THE FATHER’S) glory, and the figure of his(FATHER’S) substance, and upholding all things by the word of his (FATHER’S)power, (JESUS)making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high.
So it is clear that the Father is functioning in
HIS OWN BRIGHTNESS,
IN HIS OWN SUBSTANCE,
HOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER ,
AND MAKING PURGATION OF SINS,THROUGH JESUS, WHO SITS NEXT TO HIM,AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST.
SO WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO ACCEPT THAT GOD IS ALSO JESUS CHRIST BUT IN FLESH.
Quote Yopur problem is you as well as many here do not Know waht a Spirit is. GENE, I NEVER BELIEVED THAT ON EARTH THERE IS A PERSON WHO KNOWS SPECIFICALLY, AND TRULY :
WHAT A SPIRIT IS!!!
ALSO SINCE:
Quote God is a Spirit and Jesus is a Man. SO DO YOU KNOW THAT ON THE CROSS THERE WAS A BODY OF THAT MAN JESUS WHICH HELD ALL THE SPIRITS OF:
THE FATHER
THE SON
THE HOLY SPIRIT
AND
SATAN
Isaiah: 45: I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.
Psalm 139:But darkness shall not be dark to thee, and night shall be light as day: the darkness thereof, and the light thereof are alike to thee.
ALSO SINCE:
Quote God is a Spirit and Jesus is a Man. John8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world.
IF JESUS IS A MAN AND CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS NOT OF THIS WORLD, ARE YOU ALSO NOT OF THIS WORLD SINCE YOU ARE A MAN LIKE JESUS, AND KNOW ALL ABOUT SPIRITS?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote What? Did Charles really say that? Edj,
READ MY POST
THEN ASK ME!!!
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THROUGH SCRIPTURES WHER DID GOD PERFORMED JUSTICE IN THE TRUTH!!!
ALSO JESUS CONFIRMED BEFORE HE WAS BAPTIZED:
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to
FULFILL ALL JUSTICE.
Then he suffered him
WASN'T ALL JUSTICE FULFILLED IN THE OT???
What is with you in the other thread of John 1:5:7
I am still waiting for your reply!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 01 2012,14:50) GOD THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS WHO IS FLESH. OK??? SO THE SPIRIT (GOD)WAS IN THE FLESH.( JESUS)OK???
OR PROPERLY STILL
GOD IN FLESH OK???
WHAT'S WRONG WITH :
GOD IN FLESH
There is a big difference between God being IN flesh, and that flesh person BEING God.God can also be in any one of us, but that will never make any of us “God in Flesh”.
It's all in the way you word it, Charles. We agree that God was IN Jesus, doing the works. We don't agree that makes Jesus the God who was IN him.
carmel,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote WHO is that God you speak of? And who is the Son of that God? Mike,
In that manifesto, which I only used the above in order to make you read all my post, I stated :
Now TO CARRY ON DISCUSSING HEBREWS 1 let’s analyze the word “JUSTICE”!!!
So I was only interested in Hebrews 1 to prove that JESUS IS GOD BOTH AS SPIRIT AND AS FLESH.
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Okay?
Post a verse or two in Hebrews 1 that you think says Jesus is God both as Spirit and flesh.
I know Heb 1:2 says that GOD spoke to us THROUGH His Son. This speaks of TWO, Charles – one of whom spoke through the other.
1:2 also says that GOD created all things THROUGH Jesus. Again, this speaks of TWO – one who created, and one through whom the creation was accomplished.
Tertullian, the “Father of the Trinity”, once wrote:
He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another.
Can you argue against that logic, Charles?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,12:30) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 30 2012,02:31) what i know mike is ONE GOD refers to the unity.
So then Jesus is the Son of the unity?jammin, this is silly. It is abundantly clear that you WANT the scriptures to say Jesus is the Son of “the Father PART of the Godhead”. But that's not what they say. They say he is the Son of the Most High GOD – not just “the Father part of” the Most High God.
Listen and learn:
There is but ONE Most High God, jammin. Jesus either IS that God, or he is the Son of that God. Let the scriptures teach you which one is correct.
And never forget on your scriptural journey that our God is also the God of Jesus. Our BROTHER Jesus has given us the right to be SONS of God.
Get it? BROTHERS to Jesus, and SONS to God. Now………. do you suppose that you'll ever be a BROTHER to God Almighty?
jesus is the son of Godthat God is the father
if you are a son of MAN, you are MAN by nature also mike.
dont you have any common sense boy? LOL
now, can we read in the bible that the son is GOD?
of course
phil 2.6
though he was GOD
study hard boy LOL
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2012,04:08) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,12:36) Hi Jammin, “The Father(God) that dwelleth in me(Jesus),
he(God) doth the works.” (John 14:10)The divine nature of Jesus did not make him “God”,
and neither will it make us “God”; though
we will become one with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED j…………Rigth on brother. God is a SPIRIT and can “INDWELL” anyone he choses to but that would never make that person a God even if God's Spirit was in him or her. There is ONLY ONE GOD WHO IS A SPIRIT. According to Jesus. He can pour himself which is his Spirit (intellect) into us all.Just as it says in Joel He (God) shall pour forth of his Spirit (intellect) upon “ALL” Flesh”> But none of that makes those who receive His Spirit a God, they just have the “MIND” of God because of the Spirit “IN” them and that holds true with Jesus also.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
you also do not know english boy.ye might be partakers of the divine nature is not the same as you will become God by nature.
i thought you are using your brains. i think you should take vitamins
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2012,08:02) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 01 2012,14:50) GOD THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS WHO IS FLESH. OK??? SO THE SPIRIT (GOD)WAS IN THE FLESH.( JESUS)OK???
OR PROPERLY STILL
GOD IN FLESH OK???
WHAT'S WRONG WITH :
GOD IN FLESH
There is a big difference between God being IN flesh, and that flesh person BEING God.God can also be in any one of us, but that will never make any of us “God in Flesh”.
It's all in the way you word it, Charles. We agree that God was IN Jesus, doing the works. We don't agree that makes Jesus the God who was IN him.
Quote We don't agree that makes Jesus the God who was IN him. Mike,
I respect your mentality.
BUT JESUS STATED THAT THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING.
THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE TO THE FLESH ACCORDINGLY.
SO THE FLESH IS ONLY A TEMPORARY COSTUME,AND WHAT INSIDE THE COSTUME COUNTS.
JESUS FLESH WAS A TEMPORARY COSTUME ON EARTH WHICH HIDED GOD'S IDENTITY, AND ALSO ESTABLISHED HIS CARNAL IDENTITY ON EARTH.
LIKE A CLOWN IN A SIRCUS.
THE COSTUME HIDES THE ACTUAL PERSON,BUT ESTABLISHES HIM AS A CLOWN.
scripture confirms this:
Isaiah 45:15 Verily thou art a hidden God, the God of Israel the saviour.
SO ALMIGHTY GOD WAS HIDDEN IN JESUS' COSTUME MADE IN FLESH.AND THE COSTUME ESTABLISHED HIM AS THE SAVIOUR
SO IT IS NOT JESUS (FLESH)WHAT COUNTS,IT WHAT'S INSIDE JESUS!!!
SO IF YOU AGREE THAT GOD WAS IN JESUS:
THERFORE JESUS IS GOD.
AND FOR HUMANS,SINCE THEY CAN NEVER SEE GOD THE FATHER SINCE HE IS A SPIRIT,
THEY MUST ACCEPT JESUS
AS GOD IN FLESH.
GOD IN A COSTUME!!!
NOW JESUS THROUGH HIS DEATH UNITED BOTH HIS COSTUME AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
AND BECAME THE TRUE GOD,AND HIS COSTUME.
THE TRUE GOD AND JESUS CHRIST.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 02 2012,08:01) Quote What? Did Charles really say that? Edj,
READ MY POST
THEN ASK ME!!!
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THROUGH SCRIPTURES WHER DID GOD PERFORMED JUSTICE IN THE TRUTH!!!
ALSO JESUS CONFIRMED BEFORE HE WAS BAPTIZED:
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to
FULFILL ALL JUSTICE.
Then he suffered him
WASN'T ALL JUSTICE FULFILLED IN THE OT???
What is with you in the other thread of John 1:5:7
I am still waiting for your reply!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,Is this the thread that Mike quoted?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2012,18:23) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 02 2012,08:01) Quote What? Did Charles really say that? Edj,
READ MY POST
THEN ASK ME!!!
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THROUGH SCRIPTURES WHER DID GOD PERFORMED JUSTICE IN THE TRUTH!!!
ALSO JESUS CONFIRMED BEFORE HE WAS BAPTIZED:
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to
FULFILL ALL JUSTICE.
Then he suffered him
WASN'T ALL JUSTICE FULFILLED IN THE OT???
What is with you in the other thread of John 1:5:7
I am still waiting for your reply!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,Is this the thread that Mike quoted?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Hi Charles, Is this the thread that Mike quoted?
Edj,
Yes.
It is the second post in the previous page.
What about the other thread regarding John 1:5:7
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 03 2012,02:47) Edj, Yes.
It is the second post in the previous page.
What about the other thread regarding John 1:5:7
Hi Charles,OK, thanks.
Which thread do you mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2012,09:31) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 03 2012,02:47) Edj, Yes.
It is the second post in the previous page.
What about the other thread regarding John 1:5:7
Hi Charles,OK, thanks.
Which thread do you mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj,go back two pages
mikeboll64,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Post a verse or two in Hebrews 1 that you think says Jesus is God both as Spirit and flesh. Mike,
Verification cannot be established by writing one verse from a whole chapter.
It is a must that one should consider the context of the chapter, and the aim of its writing.
Also you yourself are not ready to accept every VERSE , or WORD scripture supplies!!!
You wrote:
Quote I know Heb 1:2 says that GOD spoke to us THROUGH His Son. This speaks of TWO, Charles – one of whom spoke through the other. In respect to the above, Paul STATED MORE THEN WHAT YOU POSTED , IN THAT SAME SENTENCE TO PROVE HOW AND WHAT GOD DID IN JESUS , read again:
HEBREWS 1:2 In these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom He hath appointed
HEIR OF ALL THINGS,
by whom also He made the world.
notice Mike, in Hebrews 1:2 you didn't include the last part of the sentence which is the most important IN RELATION to what Paul SPOKE ABOUT , AND MEANT .
YOU SIMPLY LEFT OUT:
HEIR OF ALL THINGS,
You accepted that God spoke to us through His Son,
ALTHOUGH GOD DIDN’T SPEAK TO US THROUGH JESUS’ MOUTH ONLY,BUT ALSO IN EVERY ACTION HE DID!!!
in order to prove that there are two person, but you never accepted that His Son, inherited ALL THINGS.
SO IF JESUS INHERTED ALL THINGS ,
HE, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT TRANSFORMED THROUGH CREATION INTO A UNIQUE CARNAL SUBSTANCE, ALSO INHERITED THE TITLE,AND ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD HIS FATHER,THEREFORE GLORIFIED AS HIS GOD SINCE HE BECAME MAN.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT JESUS,SINCE HE BECAME MAN,CALLS THE FATHER,
HIS FATHER AND HIS GOD,IN ORDER TO MAKE US AWARE THAT HE ,THE FATHER,IS ALSO OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD,
BUT ONLY THROUGH:
JESUS .
JESUS IS OUR FATHER,AND OUR GOD!!! SINCE HE BECAME MAN!!!
AND ONLY THROUGH THAT SYSTEM WE REACH THE SPIRITUAL FATHER, SINCE WE ARE CARNAL,AND THE FATHER ISN’T
WE AS GENTILES IN THE OT. TIMES, WERE NOT CALCULATED AS HIS PEOPLE,
NOT EVEN A PEOPLE,
NEVER MIND HIS PEOPLE.WE WERE THE DEVILS IN FLESH.
READ:
1 Peter 2: 9 But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you
OUT OF DARKNESS
into his marvellous light: 10 Who in time past
WERE NOT A PEOPLE:
SO OUT OF DARKNESS,
WERE NOT A PEOPLE,
THEREFORE:
DEVILS IN FLESH
but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy; but now have obtained mercy.
SO THE FATHER REMAINED A SPIRIT BEING AS HE STILL IS TILL THE LAST DAY!!!
THE REASON THAT THERE ARE ONE THRONE FOR GOD THE FATHER AS A SPIRIT, CANNOT BE SEEN BY HIS ANGELS EVEN NOW.
AND ONE THRONE FOR GOD HIS SON GLORIFIED THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IN HIM,VISIBLE TO BE SEEN BY ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES, AT ALL TIMES ADORED, AND CARNAL CREATURES ON EARTH AS HE PLEASES.
PLUS HIS OWN UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES AS GLORIFIED MAN.
THE FOCAL TARGET OF OUR CREATION AND BATTLE ON EARTH!!!
SO ALTHOUGH AS YOU SAID SCRIPTURE IS REFERING TO TWO PERSONS,IN THE SAME INSTANT THROUGH WHAT SCRIPTURE SAID, IT ALSO MADE IT CLEAR THAT
THE TWO PERSONS MENTIONED,ARE UNIFIED AS ONE IN JESUS.
GENESIS 2: 24For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
SO , IT IS OF NO USE,OR RATHER MISGUIDING, DISCUSSING ,A WORD,OR A SENTENCE WITHOUT TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH, OR CHAPTER.
NOW READING HEREUNDER YOU WILL BE AWARE THAT PAUL IS REFERING TO BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON,WITHOUT BEING CLEAR ENOUGH REGARDING WHOM HE IS REFERING TO!
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the figure of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high.
So it is clear that the Father IS ALSO THE SON AND VISE VERSA is functioning in
HIS OWN BRIGHTNESS,
IN HIS OWN SUBSTANCE,
HOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER ,
AND MAKING PURGATION OF SINS,THROUGH JESUS,
WHO SITS NEXT TO HIM,AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST.
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH.
BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2012,08:02) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 01 2012,14:50) GOD THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS WHO IS FLESH. OK??? SO THE SPIRIT (GOD)WAS IN THE FLESH.( JESUS)OK???
OR PROPERLY STILL
GOD IN FLESH OK???
WHAT'S WRONG WITH :
GOD IN FLESH
There is a big difference between God being IN flesh, and that flesh person BEING God.God can also be in any one of us, but that will never make any of us “God in Flesh”.
It's all in the way you word it, Charles. We agree that God was IN Jesus, doing the works. We don't agree that makes Jesus the God who was IN him.
Mike……….Very Good at least you do see and understand the God the Father was indeed in Jesus. And Just like us it does not make him a God of anykind.Scriture says Christ in us the hope of Glory, That does not mean Jesus in us but the Anointing Spirit in us is the hope of glory
It all falls in place when we come to understand what a Spirit is Mike. A spirit is not a Person it is what is in a person. God was in the FLESH of Jesus by the Christos or Anointing and he (God) spoke to us through him Jesus put his “will to death” and did the will of God who indwelt him.
Are we in agreement on these thing Mike?
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 02 2012,00:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2012,08:02) There is a big difference between God being IN flesh, and that flesh person BEING God. God can also be in any one of us, but that will never make any of us “God in Flesh”.
It's all in the way you word it, Charles. We agree that God was IN Jesus, doing the works. We don't agree that makes Jesus the God who was IN him.
Mike,I respect your mentality.
BUT JESUS STATED THAT THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING.
SO THE FLESH IS ONLY A TEMPORARY COSTUME,AND WHAT INSIDE THE COSTUME COUNTS.
JESUS FLESH WAS A TEMPORARY COSTUME ON EARTH WHICH HIDED GOD'S IDENTITY, AND ALSO ESTABLISHED HIS CARNAL IDENTITY ON EARTH.
Charles,All the things you said in your post could also be said of us too, then. Because it was to US that Jesus said, “The flesh counts for nothing”. And it is in US that God also dwells, along with His Son and Servant Jesus Christ.
So apply everything you said about why God being in Jesus makes Jesus God in Flesh, and applies those same reasonings to US. That would make all of US “God in Flesh” as well.
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 03 2012,00:12) YOU SIMPLY LEFT OUT: HEIR OF ALL THINGS,
Okay, add that part into my post as well.
Now we have THREE things that speak of Two:
1. One created all things THROUGH the other.
2. One spoke to us THROUGH the other.
3. One has inherited all things FROM the other.
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