JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,13:40)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 11 2012,22:49)

who is that YHWH?

Hi Jammin, no one. Hebrew has no “W” sound. (Link)

GETTING THE FACTS STRAIGHT

Hebrew has NO [W] SOUND, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.

GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from Hebrew.
Correctly translating the Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however.
Some basic linguistic rules need to be considered when translating the Hebrew texts.
These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels
and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite from English: from right to left).
Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next,
aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds
are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk.

YHVH is God's Name translated directly into English.

[יהוה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey …is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ

[יהוה] is pronounced with its exact preciseness “YÄ-hä-vā”; where ä sounds like that of the word “ah”
and the other ā sounds like that of the vowel in the word “hay”. So when you see the tetragrammation
YHVH, the proper pronunciation is YÄ-hä-vā. (Psalm 45:17) I make this point because the correct pronunciation
was thought to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations, without any working knowledge of Hebrew.
GOD’s Name (יהוה) translates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowel representations.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i know that boy. you dont need to teach me. i just said YHWH bec some versions say that.

dont like a kid boy.
LOL

November 12, 2012 at 4:29 pm#319960

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2012,01:37)

Can you show me the scripture where you think the Son is called “YHWH”?

Also, your word games only go to show that you are aware of how illogical your doctrine is, jammin.

If a person says there is only ONE Almighty God, but then asks WHICH Almighty God I'm asking a question about – it shows that person is a confused, false teacher.

Unlike your friend Kathi, you have answered correctly that there exists only ONE Almighty God. And that ONE Almighty God HAS a Son named Jesus, which prohibits Jesus from BEING the Almighty God of whom he is the Son.

End of story, and on to the next question:

jammin, do you understand that OUR one and only Almighty God is also the God of Jesus? Do you realize that we and Jesus have the exact same God?

(It's right there in the Bible. Perhaps you should read it sometime.)

no mike.
if you are GOD, you are almighty. they have ONE nature and that is nature GOD.
if you hUman, you are not almighty. you only have ONE nature and that is HUMAN nature.
Christ and the father have the same nature, God.

now you want me to give you a verse about Christ being called YHWH.
here is the verse
luke 2.11
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.”

another verse is MAT3.3
in hebrew
קול קורא במדבר פנו דרך יהוה ישרו בערבה מסלה לאלהינו׃

Yah·weh;יְהוָ֑הthe LORD

MAT 3.3 KJV
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For this was he of whom it was said by Isaiah the Prophet, “A voice that cries in the desert, 'Prepare the way of THE LORD JEHOVAH and level his paths'.”

the hebrew word for LORD in mat 3.3 is YHVH

Wesley's Notes

3:3 The way of the Lord – Of Christ. Make his paths straight – By removing every thing which might prove a hinderance to his gracious appearance. Isaiah 40:3.

now answer mine,

who is the GOD you are referring to?

November 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm#319961

GeneBalthrop

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To all………..The word in John 1:1………….Is GOD'S WORDS, it was with GOD and WAS GOD, Just as Your word are YOU, no difference. If John was wanting to mean Jesus there he would just written Jesus there. Just that simple nothing complicated about it, common sense should tell us all that. God is Spirit and His words are Spirit they are ONE and the SAME. He was (IN) Jesus but was not Jesus at all, it was not Jesus who said “destroy this temple and in three days I (GOD) shall raise it up, that was God the Father speaking first person “through” Jesus' mouth. God considers our bodies “temples” he can indwell, that is why he said “this temple” , remember where Paul said ” know you not that your bodies are the temples of the living God .

peace and lvoe to you all……………………………………………….gene

November 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm#319964

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gene,

read rev 19.13
that is not an ordinary word. that is a title for christ.

November 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm#319971

carmel

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Ed wrote:

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Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
\ /
\ /
Jesus
/ \
/ \
/ \
Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)

Edj,

THAT'S ONLY YOUR CALCULATIONS!!!

VERY VERY WRONG!!!

Now reflect on mine and discover what through Jesus’ birth we discern!!!

AT BIRTH before Christ redeemed humanity:

All humans were formed 100% flesh through the MOTHER SINFULL.

JESUS 100% FLESH FROM HIS MOTHER SINLESS ( HIS OWN SPIRIT TRANSFORMED THROUGH CREATION)

Al humans were formed 100% soul through the FATHER SINFULL dead in Satan’s spirit.

JESUS 100% SOUL FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CREATION

All humans were formed 100% with a spirit from Satan

JESUS 100% FATHER'S SPIRIT PLUS 100% SATAN’S SPIRIT TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN.

NOW:

AFTER REDEMPTION BANG On baptizm:

Humans becomes 100% sinless, soul wise plus, 100% Holy Spirit. ONLY TO SPIRITUALIZE THE FLESH BODY! SINCE IT'S EARTHLY.

So on Bapizm humans becomes SAINTS ON EARTH. SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.IN FLESH.

IF THEY LIVE IN CHRIST THROUGHOUT, PERFECT LIKE THE FATHER IS PERFECT, THEY WILL RESURRECT AFTER THREE DAYS!!!

THROUGH THEIR OWN LIVES ON EARTH. THEY THEMSELVES ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL,WOULD HAVE COMPLETELY DESTROYED THE FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE AND TRANSFORMED IT INTO A SPIRITUAL SUBSTANCE!!!

OBVIOUS BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD HAVE ESTABLISHED THEM SPIRITUALLY IN JESUS SPIRIT.

JESUS CONFIRMED THIS WHEN HE SAID:

John 16:14 He shall glorify me; because he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it to you.

HOW ? : SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WOULD FEEL THE GENERAL DRASTIC CHANGE WITHIN THEM, THE WILL POWER TO MAKE MIRACLES, AND THE DISCERNING OF GOD’S MYSTERIES.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

November 13, 2012 at 1:30 am#320007

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Quote (carmel @ Nov. 12 2012,00:38)

Mike,

You will never change!!!

You keep on twisting every sentence to please your corrupted mentality.

WITH EVERY RESPECT

Jesus was BOTH FULLY MAN AND FULLY GOD

GOD IN FLESH WHILE ON EARTH.

I'm not “twisting” anything Charles. I'm only pointing out that you speak from both sides of your mouth. First, you insist that Jesus was “GOD IN FLESH WHILE ON EARTH”, but then turn right around and say, “He wasn't fully glorified God when he said 'I return to my God and your God'.” What gives?

Either he WAS God on earth, or he WASN'T. Pick one and stick with it, Charles.

Actually, it doesn't really matter what you say about it. SCRIPTURE tells me that my God is Jesus' God.

So unless Jesus' God consists of Father and Son, neither does my God.

November 13, 2012 at 1:37 am#320008

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 12 2012,09:29)

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.”

That is a mistranslation, jammin. The Aramaic Bible in Plain English translates the Aramaic word “marya” as “The LORD Jehovah”. But if you look at ANY Aramaic to English dictionary, you'll see that the word just means “lord”. I've listed the results of FOUR different Aramaic dictionaries on one of Kathi's threads that discusses this issue………….. and ALL FOUR of these dictionaries say “marya” is the emphatic form of “lord”.

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 12 2012,09:29)

who is the GOD you are referring to?

Our ONE and ONLY Almighty God, jammin. You agree there is only ONE of them, so you should also then realize that asking WHICH ONE is absurd.

November 13, 2012 at 3:03 am#320020

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Mike,
Just tell jammin that you mean Almighty God 'the Father.' That is all he wants you to say so that he can answer your question.

November 13, 2012 at 3:05 am#320021

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The Aramaic Bible in plain English is not a mistranslation. The Aramaic scholars at Peshitta.org agrees with it.

November 13, 2012 at 3:14 am#320022

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Then find me an AUTHENTIC Aramaic dictionary that says “marya” means “The Lord Jehovah”.

You've seen the four I've been able to find online, right? Do ANY of those four say what you claim? YES or NO?

November 13, 2012 at 3:27 am#320023

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Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 12 2012,20:03)

Mike,
Just tell jammin that you mean Almighty God 'the Father.' That is all he wants you to say so that he can answer your question.

Kathi,

Thanks, but I know what I'm doing. I've had lots of experience following down you guy's rabbit holes. I'm trying to avoid yet another one.

Here's the deal: UNLIKE YOU, jammin correctly believes that there exists only ONE Almighty God.

Now, if there truly is only ONE, then the fact that he keeps asking WHICH GOD I'm talking about shows that he is trapped in a corner. And I like him in the corner, right where he is.

The more time he hides in his corner, the more people who visit this site will begin to see the Trinity Doctrine for the sham it is. And that is a good thing.

(Btw, I've also asked him to tell me who our ONE Almighty God consists of. He has the opportunity to lead me down a rabbit whole if he wants, but seems to be too ashamed to admit who he thinks God is – for some odd reason.)

November 13, 2012 at 4:43 am#320032

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2012,21:14)

Then find me an AUTHENTIC Aramaic dictionary that says “marya” means “The Lord Jehovah”.

You've seen the four I've been able to find online, right? Do ANY of those four say what you claim? YES or NO?

You don't look in a dictionary for the meaning of an acronym, you look in the dictionary for the meaning of a word.

MRYA is an acronym and used as a placeholder for YHWH in the Aramaic manuscript from what I have been told.

See here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc….eshittO

November 13, 2012 at 4:48 am#320033

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Thanks, but I know what I'm doing.

Well then you knowingly are very ineffective since you act like you don't know…and several times on just this thread you have acted like you don't know. You two are going back and forth saying the same thing over and over. Try what I suggested and get on with it.

You don't know how two Gods can be one God unity yet you admit that the Father and Son are both called 'the theos' in scripture and Jesus, Himself says they are one.

November 13, 2012 at 9:09 am#320058

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,11:37)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 12 2012,09:29)

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.”

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 12 2012,09:29)

who is the GOD you are referring to?

Our ONE and ONLY Almighty God, jammin. You agree there is only ONE of them, so you should also then realize that asking WHICH ONE is absurd.

translators will just laugh at you mike LOL
you do not know anything mike. you need to study hard boy LOL

are you good than those scholars who translate the bible?
im sure you are not boy LOL
you dont have enough knowledge to discuss these things boy LOL

sis kathi is right.

why did you ignore the hebrew word of mat 3.3
Christ is called YHWH boy LOL

i believe that they have one nature, and that is nature GOD.
so that is why im asking you who is the GOD you are referring to?

i believe that if you are God by nature, you are almighty.
the son is God
the father is God.

November 13, 2012 at 10:03 am#320068

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 13 2012,01:40)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,13:40)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 11 2012,22:49)

who is that YHWH?

Hi Jammin, no one. Hebrew has no “W” sound. (Link)

GETTING THE FACTS STRAIGHT

Hebrew has NO [W] SOUND, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.

YHVH is God's Name translated directly into English.

[יהוה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey …is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i know that boy. you dont need to teach me. i just said YHWH bec some versions say that.

dont like a kid boy.
LOL

Hi Jammin,

I'm glad that you already knew that!
but how was I to know that you did?

You sound like you are reprimanding
me for not knowing that you knew it.
Don't you think that is unwarranted?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 13, 2012 at 10:13 am#320071

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Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2012,06:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,19:13)

Quote

Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
\ /
\ /
Jesus
/ \
/ \
/ \
Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)

Edj,

THAT'S ONLY YOUR CALCULATIONS!!!

VERY VERY WRONG!!!

Now reflect on mine and discover what through Jesus’ birth we discern!!!

AT BIRTH before Christ redeemed humanity:

All humans were formed 100% flesh through the MOTHER SINFULL.

JESUS 100% FLESH FROM HIS MOTHER SINLESS ( HIS OWN SPIRIT TRANSFORMED THROUGH CREATION)

Al humans were formed 100% soul through the FATHER SINFULL dead in Satan’s spirit.

JESUS 100% SOUL FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CREATION

All humans were formed 100% with a spirit from Satan

JESUS 100% FATHER'S SPIRIT PLUS 100% SATAN’S SPIRIT TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN.

NOW:

AFTER REDEMPTION BANG On baptizm:

Humans becomes 100% sinless, soul wise plus, 100% Holy Spirit. ONLY TO SPIRITUALIZE THE FLESH BODY! SINCE IT'S EARTHLY.

So on Bapizm humans becomes SAINTS ON EARTH. SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.IN FLESH.

IF THEY LIVE IN CHRIST THROUGHOUT, PERFECT LIKE THE FATHER IS PERFECT, THEY WILL RESURRECT AFTER THREE DAYS!!!

THROUGH THEIR OWN LIVES ON EARTH. THEY THEMSELVES ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL,WOULD HAVE COMPLETELY DESTROYED THE FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE AND TRANSFORMED IT INTO A SPIRITUAL SUBSTANCE!!!

OBVIOUS BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD HAVE ESTABLISHED THEM SPIRITUALLY IN JESUS SPIRIT.

JESUS CONFIRMED THIS WHEN HE SAID:

John 16:14 He shall glorify me; because he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it to you.

HOW ? : SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WOULD FEEL THE GENERAL DRASTIC CHANGE WITHIN THEM, THE WILL POWER TO MAKE MIRACLES, AND THE DISCERNING OF GOD’S MYSTERIES.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

Hi Charles,

Yes of course I know that Jesus came here to separate
the spirit of Lucifer from the Godhead within. I have a thread
where I explain this in great detail; please join me there. (Link)

Our beliefs are very similar, but
your explanation seems clear as mud.
Here is what the bible says about Jesus lineage.

Jesus lineage explained

“Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5 and Luke 1:36)
“Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
“Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)

At birth: Jesus was 50%(HolySpirit)God (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25%(Levite)Priest and 25%(Judah)King!
At baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 13, 2012 at 11:49 am#320097

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2012,20:03)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 13 2012,01:40)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,13:40)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 11 2012,22:49)

who is that YHWH?

Hi Jammin, no one. Hebrew has no “W” sound. (Link)

GETTING THE FACTS STRAIGHT

Hebrew has NO [W] SOUND, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.

YHVH is God's Name translated directly into English.

[יהוה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey …is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i know that boy. you dont need to teach me. i just said YHWH bec some versions say that.

dont like a kid boy.
LOL

Hi Jammin,

I'm glad that you already knew that!
but how was I to know that you did?

You sound like you are reprimanding
me for not knowing that you knew it.
Don't you think that is unwarranted?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i told you that some versions say YHWH.
cant you see my post?

read well boy.

btw make your own bible to support your illusion in john 1.1
LOL

November 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm#320099

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Hi Jammin,

If I did, would you then believe me?
Of course not because you speak empty words. Yet
you do believe that very thing that others have done in that regard.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm#320105

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ed,

do you believe that there are versions that say yahweh?
yes or no?

November 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm#320115