JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,19:55)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38) one GOD THE ONLY SON Huh?

yes

John 1:18

New English Translation (NET)

18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known.

that is GOD THE ONLY SON
John 1:18

Common English Bible (CEB)

18 No one has ever seen God.
God the only Son,
who is at the Father’s side,
has made God known.

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 05 2012,07:18)

Ed J,Oct. 31 2012,10:22 Quote Hi Charles, I take issue with two points you make here. 1. Your use of the word “drove”  –  the Scriptures uses the word “led” here; not drove. You drive cattle from behind to force them to go where you want with a prod if necessary. But you lead a horse from the front with coaxing to go where you want.      …BIG difference. EDJ, IT IS GOOD  THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IT PROVES THAT JESUS WAS NOT ALL THE TIME IN THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, ALTHOUGH THE SPIRIT NEVER ACTUALLY LEFT JESUS. THIS TO MAKE US AWARE THAT JESUS WAS BOTH FULLY MAN, AND FULLY GOD!!! NOW READ HERE: KJV: Mark 1:12 And immediately the Spirit DRIVETH him into the wilderness. 13And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. DRB: MARK 1:12 And immediately the Spirit DROVE him out into the desert. SO AS YOU CAN READ BOTH SCRIPTURES USED THE VERB TO DRIVE!!! Quote 2. This verse indicates that the spirit did not leave Jesus alone as you are suggesting… “Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, THE FACT THAT IT SAYS REMAINING ON HIM,IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THE SPIRIT WAS IN FULL POWER!!! JESUS IN MANY OCCASIONS ACTED LIKE HIS BRETHREN, LIKE A MAN, OBVIOUS EXCEPT SINNING.HE HAD TO FULLFILL BOTH GOD'S AND MAN ATTRIBUTES,SINCE HE WAS BOTH SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN. NOW READ HEREUNDER! Luke 4:14 And Jesus RETURNED in the POWER of the SPIRIT, HE WAS NOT IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT WHILE HE WAS IN THE DESERT!!! into Galilee, and the fame of him went out through the whole country. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, and was magnified by all. SO THERE’S NO DOUBT THAT JESUS WAS A NORMAL MAN IN THE DESERT, AND ALSO IN HIS FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER HE WILLS,OBVIOUS GOD’S WILL SINCE HE WAS THE SON OF GOD THROUGHOUT!!! GOD IN FLESH!!! PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES

Hi Charles,

Thank you for taking the time to address my concerns to you!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,02:38)

one GOD THE FATHER one GOD THE ONLY SON

One plus one equals TWO, jammin.

Why are you and Kathi so secretive when it comes to just plainly saying what you believe about God?

jammin, are you a Trinitarian who believes our one God consists of three persons? If so, then just say so. If not, then why can't you tell me WHO our God is?

Aren't you guys suppose to be Christians and be happily forthcoming with your “truth” about God?

Why then is it like pulling teeth just to get a direct answer out of you two?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,03:16)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38) yes the word bible is in the bible. i am 100%^ sure. Hi Jammin, Matt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1 βιβλος γενεσεως ιησου χριστου υιου δαβιδ υιου αβρααμ Yes, bible is written in the bible. God bless Ed J

No Ed,

The Greek word “biblion” is in the Bible, but it just means “book” – as the scripture you quoted attests.

Ed, did you ever read the Bible “Harry Potter”?  Have you read the Bible “Hunger Games”?  Have you read any of Stephen King's Bibles?

Get the picture?  We in English don't call regular books “Bibles”.  The English word “Bible”, while taken from a Latin word meaning “book”, does not mean just any ordinary book to us.  That word refers to ONE particular book of the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.

My point to jammin was that the ENGLISH WORD “Bible”, COMPLETE WITH A CAPITAL “B”, is not actually in the Bible.

If it is, then show me the scripture.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,06:10)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 07 2012,21:54) Do you realize that, according to scripture, you, me, and Jesus ALL have the SAME EXACT God? YES or NO? No you don't have the same God as Jesus.

Are you sure, Kathi?

John 20:17
I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

Please explain your answer in light of these very clear words from your Lord, Jesus the Christ of God.

jammin and Charles, I await your answers to this question as well.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,11:42)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,03:16) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38) yes the word bible is in the bible. i am 100%^ sure. Hi Jammin, Matt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1 βιβλος γενεσεως ιησου χριστου υιου δαβιδ υιου αβρααμ Yes, bible is written in the bible. God bless Ed J No Ed, The Greek word “biblion” is in the Bible, but it just means “book” – as the scripture you quoted attests. Ed, did you ever read the Bible “Harry Potter”?  Have you read the Bible “Hunger Games”?  Have you read any of Stephen King's Bibles? Get the picture?  We in English don't call regular books “Bibles”.  The English word “Bible”, while taken from a Latin word meaning “book”, does not mean just any ordinary book to us.  That word refers to ONE particular book of the Hebrew and Greek scriptures. My point to jammin was that the ENGLISH WORD “Bible”, COMPLETE WITH A CAPITAL “B”, is not actually in the Bible. If it is, then show me the scripture.

LOL

mike you do not know greek.
translators will surely just laugh at you LOL

btw
i can read the english word bible in the english bible but that verse is not for you.

mat 7.6
the pearl is not for pig boy LOL

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,11:34)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,02:38) one GOD THE FATHER one GOD THE ONLY SON One plus one equals TWO, jammin.   Why are you and Kathi so secretive when it comes to just plainly saying what you believe about God?   jammin, are you a Trinitarian who believes our one God consists of three persons?  If so, then just say so.  If not, then why can't you tell me WHO our God is? Aren't you guys suppose to be Christians and be happily forthcoming with your “truth” about God?   Why then is it like pulling teeth just to get a direct answer out of you two?

i believe that the father and the son have the same nature, GOD

two persons but one nature, GOD.

my exmple will always be like you and your father. you are two in persons but one nature, HUMAN.

that is why im always asking you who is that GOD you are referring to.
the bible said the father is GOD
the bible said the son is GOD

why cant you answer my question mike? is it hard for you? LOL

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,21:09)

two persons but one nature, GOD.

So then YOU have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus has? Jesus said that our God was his God, and surely HIS God isn't a combination of Father and Son in one God, is it?

jammin, Jesus was right about ME. I and Jesus DO have the same God.

You are not included in Jesus' statement, for YOU have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus and I and the disciples have.

[Is 1:18]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:47)

You are not included in Jesus' statement, for YOU have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus and I and the disciples have.

Who was Thomas' God?

[mikeboll64]

The Father, of course. Didn't Jesus say that his God was also the God of Thomas?

[Is 1:18]

Not according to John 20:28.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 10 2012,02:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,19:55) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38) one GOD THE ONLY SON Huh? yes John 1:18 New English Translation (NET) 18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known. that is GOD THE ONLY SON John 1:18 Common English Bible (CEB) 18 No one has ever seen God.    God the only Son,        who is at the Father’s side,        has made God known.

Hi Jammin,

Sorry, but there are no begotten gods.
I thought you said you knew Greek?
Why do you post corrupted text?

John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο
                                                              /           |             \
“No man hath seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,11:34)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,02:38) one GOD THE FATHER one GOD THE ONLY SON One plus one equals TWO, jammin.   Why are you and Kathi so secretive when it comes to just plainly saying what you believe about God?   jammin, are you a Trinitarian who believes our one God consists of three persons?  If so, then just say so.  If not, then why can't you tell me WHO our God is? Aren't you guys suppose to be Christians and be happily forthcoming with your “truth” about God?   Why then is it like pulling teeth just to get a direct answer out of you two?

Hi Mike,

I have about 5 questions in the Jammin “Hot Seat” thread THAT HE HAS NEVER ANSWERED.           (<– see seventh post on link)

So pulling teeth is definitely an under-statement.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,11:42)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,03:16) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38) yes the word bible is in the bible. i am 100%^ sure. Hi Jammin, Matt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1 βιβλος γενεσεως ιησου χριστου υιου δαβιδ υιου αβρααμ Yes, bible is written in the bible. God bless Ed J No Ed, The Greek word “biblion” is in the Bible, but it just means “book” – as the scripture you quoted attests. Ed, did you ever read the Bible “Harry Potter”?  Have you read the Bible “Hunger Games”?  Have you read any of Stephen King's Bibles? Get the picture?  We in English don't call regular books “Bibles”.  The English word “Bible”, while taken from a Latin word meaning “book”, does not mean just any ordinary book to us.  That word refers to ONE particular book of the Hebrew and Greek scriptures. My point to jammin was that the ENGLISH WORD “Bible”, COMPLETE WITH A CAPITAL “B”, is not actually in the Bible. If it is, then show me the scripture.

Hi Mike,

I really don't care what you choose to believe,
but what “I” have given you are THE FACTS!
Click on the link to be sure. (1Thess.5:21)

http://translate.google.com/#en/el/bible

              bible    →    βίβλος

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:47)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,21:09) two persons but one nature, GOD. So then YOU have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus has?  Jesus said that our God was his God, and surely HIS God isn't a combination of Father and Son in one God, is it?   jammin, Jesus was right about ME.  I and Jesus DO have the same God. You are not included in Jesus' statement, for YOU have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus and I and the disciples have.

you are inventing words again LOL

why dont you complete my post?
here is my complete reply to you boy

i believe that the father and the son have the same nature, GOD

two persons but one nature, GOD.

my exmple will always be like you and your father. you are two in persons but one nature, HUMAN.

that is why im always asking you who is that GOD you are referring to.
the bible said the father is GOD
the bible said the son is GOD

why cant you answer my question mike? is it hard for you? LOL

[jammin]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,17:11)

Not according to John 20:28.

nice answer bro

mike is really a false teacher LOL

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2012,18:04)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 10 2012,02:38) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,19:55) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38) one GOD THE ONLY SON Huh? yes John 1:18 New English Translation (NET) 18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known. that is GOD THE ONLY SON John 1:18 Common English Bible (CEB) 18 No one has ever seen God.    God the only Son,        who is at the Father’s side,        has made God known. Hi Jammin, Sorry, but there are no begotten gods. I thought you said you knew Greek? Why do you post corrupted text? John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο                                                               /           |             \ “No man hath seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

did i say begotten gods???

you are not reading my post. you are just inventing words boy LOL

what i can read in greek is begotten God and not begotten gods

LOL

i think you and mike should go back to school

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 10 2012,23:41)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2012,18:04) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 10 2012,02:38) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,19:55) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38) one GOD THE ONLY SON Huh? yes John 1:18 New English Translation (NET) 18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known. that is GOD THE ONLY SON John 1:18 Common English Bible (CEB) 18 No one has ever seen God.    God the only Son,        who is at the Father’s side,        has made God known. Hi Jammin, Sorry, but there are no begotten gods. I thought you said you knew Greek? Why do you post corrupted text? John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο                                                               /           |             \ “No man hath seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org did i say begotten gods??? you are not reading my post. you are just inventing words boy LOL what i can read in greek is begotten God and not begotten gods LOL i think you and mike should go back to school

not even one

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:

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John 20:17 I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. Please explain your answer in light of these very clear words from your Lord, Jesus the Christ of God. jammin and Charles, I await your answers to this question as well.

Mike,

FIRST O ALL WHAT ALL THIS SHOUTING ABOUT???

I already answered that question in this thread very way back, if I’m not mistaken and the person to whom I have posted it has bailed!!!

John 20: 17 Jesus saith to her: DO NOT TOUCH ME,

for I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER.

But go to my brethren, and say to them:

I ASCEND TO MY FATHER AND TO YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD  

ALL THOSE BOLDED STATEMENTS I WILL DEFINE WITH SCRIPTURAL PROOFS BUT DEFINITELY NOT ALL IN THIS POST

LETS START:

The word ascend it doesn't only mean TO GO UP  to heaven. :

Jesus ascend to heaven???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why should Jesus need to go UP TO HEAVEN TO SEE the Father when the Father was in HIM since He raised HIM IN HIS GLORY AS BOTH GOD AND MAN, BOTH GOD AND JESUS CHRIST?

Notice He purposely didn't say to heaven!!!

Why did He mention the Father instead???

If He said just heaven there wouldn’t have been any doubt that He went to His Father, since He came from the Father, from His bosom!!!

So He was crystal-clear that HE WANTED TO LEAVE LIGHT IN THOSE STATEMENTS ESPECIALLY:

to my Father, and to your Father, to my God and to your God.

So as I said, the word ascend figuratively, it means :

to rise to a higher point, rank, or degree; proceed from an inferior to a superior degree or level:

SO  THE TRUTH IS:

TO ASCEND TO THE FULL POWER OF THE FATHER!!!

Also, according to strong’s the word “TO” could also be used as  :

“IN VIEW OF”

So when you put :

I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER.

in this KIND of definition it would be clear enough that Jesus meant:

I  am not yet RISEN TO THE SUPERIOR DEGREE( ascend) IN VIEW OF( to) my Father!!

SO HERE JESUS  REFERED TO HIS HUMAN STATE WHICH HAD JUST SPIRITUALIZED ITSELF, AND NOT YET GLORIFIED IN THE GLORY OF THE FULL POWER OF THE FATHER!!!

SO THE GLORIFICATION WAS NOT ONLY WHEN HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD.

THAT WAS THE FIRST PHASE WHICH  JESUS ACHIEVED AS NORMAL HUMAN GLORIFICATION,SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO EXPERIENCE ON THE LAST DAY.

But since Jesus lived a perfect life as a human on earth, and also the Father was in Him, He spiritualized His body through His own life itself, and He only needed three days to accomplish total spiritualization of His own body. In fact Jesus’ body started the spiritualizing process in the garden, and it was vital for Jesus to die .

The main reason that He made it clear to Judas to do what he had to do quickly, otherwise the body would deteriorate due to the spiritualizing process.

SO SINCE HE GLORIFIED ONLY AS MAN HE MUST REFER TO GOD AS HIS GOD AND HIS FATHER !!!

BUT HE MADE IT CLEAR THAT :
I ASCEND TO MY FATHER AND TO YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD  

WHICH MEANS:

I ARISE TO THE SUPERIOR DEGREE( ascend) IN VIEW OF( to) my Father, and IN VIEW OF your Father, and so on!!!

SO AFTER ALL JESUS CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS RAISED AS A HUMAN BEING FIRST, AND THEN HE WOULD ACHIEVE FULL GLORIFICATION AND WOULD ACQUIRE THE FULL UNIFICATION WITH THE FATHER LATER.

AND HE WOULD BECOME BOTH;

FATHER OF ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES,

AND A FATHER  OF ALL HUMAN CREATURES

AND A GOD OF ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES,

AND A GOD OF ALL HUMAN CREATURES

THE TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

SO TO CONFIRM:

WHEN JESUS SPOKE THOSE WORDS HE WAS STILL IN HIS GLORIFIED HUMAN STATE,AND NOT YET FULLY GLORIFIED AS BOTH GOD AND MAN.

THIS HE ACHIEVED THAT SAME DAY AFTER SIX IN THE EVENING:

SO NO MORE SHOUTING THAT HE HAD TO GO UP TO HEAVEN SO HIS FATHER AND HIS GOD,WOULD VERIFY HIS WOUNDS, AND THEN SEND HIM BACK FOR ANOTHER FOURTY DAYS OR SO TO THE EARTH TO ACCOMPLISH HIS WORK IN FULL

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[carmel]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,11:34)

[/quote] Quote jammin,Nov. wrote: one GOD THE FATHER one GOD THE ONLY SON One plus one equals TWO, jammin.

Mike,

DID EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT THE VERSE HEREUNDER

IS A SYMBOLICAL DEFINITION FOR THE FATHER AND THE SON

Genesis 2:24 Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife:
 and they shall be two in one flesh.

TWO UNITED AS ONE IN BOTH SPIRIT(MAN) AND FLESH (WOMAN)

CONSIDERING THAT JESUS IS THE FLESH AND THE FATHER IS THE SPIRIT.

ALSO SYMBOLICALLY:

wherefore a  man JESUS SPIRIT,shall leave father SPIRIT TO CREATE ALL and mother EARTH, AFTER CREATION and shall cleave to his wife MARY and they, THE FATHER AND THE SON shall be two in one flesh IN THE WOMB OF MARY FIRST, THEN THROUGH GLORIFICATION FOR ETERNITY AND IN THE  CHURCH THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT  TO ESTABLISH THE BRIDE FOR THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

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