John 1:1

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,11:09)

No Kerwin, The Word is who was WITH Yahweh in the beginning.   Good point about Yashua being a very popular name, and therefore not “the name above all other names”.

Mike,

Father Yahweh's word is not a “who”! LOL!

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2012,04:47)

Hi KW, Does obedience to the law cause him to receive the gift of a new man? The new man is BY transformation of the Spirit. That happened at the jordan

Nick;

The new man is received and lived according to by faith as it is written the righteous live by faith. Jesus was immersed in water in his mother's womb; as is common to man. Unlike with other men; his faith was mature at that time; that is why the first birth accomplished what other men take two births to accomplish.

God tells us that without faith no one can please God. He also tells us his Servant pleased him and as a result he was given the Spirit. Scripture teaches us that Jesus always lived by the Spirit as he lived his whole mortality without sinning even though tempted as is common to man.

As John the Baptist inferred, Jesus did not require John Baptism of Repentance. To those who know Jewish teachings; they know that even a righteous servant is immersed into the priesthood.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ May 06 2012,20:53)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,01:58) Ed, I am glad to learn that you no longer feel the need to invent a new subject into verses 14 and 15 like you used to do.  (I remember how you used to claim that part of the passage was about the Holy Spirit, and the other part was about Jesus.) Hi Mike, John 1:1-14 is about the HolySpirit becoming flesh in Jesus. John 1:15- is about Jesus being the Christ because of this. God bless Ed J

Oh, my mistake. I guess you are still trying to split the subject of the passage when there is no grammatical, contextual, or logical reason for you to do so.

Nevermind then.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 07 2012,17:07)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,11:09) No Kerwin, The Word is who was WITH Yahweh in the beginning.   Mike, Father Yahweh's word is not a “who”! LOL!

Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Is Father Yahweh's word a “who” in this verse?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2012,18:16)

Nick, Who was existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?  (Phil 2)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2012,18:33)

Hi MB, Christ Jesus. The Word that was with God, the anointing.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2012,19:25)

And who died on a tree for us?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2012,19:37)

Hi MB, Jesus CHRIST was crucified

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2012,19:25)

And did the “spirit of the anointing” die on a tree?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2012,20:22)

Hi MB, Of course the Spirit of life cannot die………………..

Then it seems you have a problem with your doctrine, Nick.

Philippians 2
5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

6 Who, existing in the form of God,
  did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing,
  taking the form of a servant,
  being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
  he humbled himself
  and became obedient to death—
     even death on a cross!

Nick, the one who died on a cross is the same one who was existing in the form of God before being made in human likeness.

So if “the spirit of anointing” did not die on a cross, then “the spirit of anointing” is NOT who this passage is about.

I pray that you can see this.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You do not know of the unity between Jesus and the anointing?
Inseperable even in death.

This should be you hope too but what is your hope?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Did your lesser god die?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,10:25)

Quote (Ed J @ May 06 2012,20:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,01:58) Ed, I am glad to learn that you no longer feel the need to invent a new subject into verses 14 and 15 like you used to do.  (I remember how you used to claim that part of the passage was about the Holy Spirit, and the other part was about Jesus.) Hi Mike, John 1:1-14 is about the HolySpirit becoming flesh in Jesus. John 1:15- is about Jesus being the Christ because of this. God bless Ed J Oh, my mistake.  I guess you are still trying to split the subject of the passage when there is no grammatical, contextual, or logical reason for you to do so. Nevermind then.

Hi Mike,

OK, thank you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,10:32)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 07 2012,17:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,11:09) No Kerwin, The Word is who was WITH Yahweh in the beginning.   Mike, Father Yahweh's word is not a “who”! LOL! Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. Is Father Yahweh's word a “who” in this verse?

Hi Mike,

The same who as in Isaiah 63:2-11.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi MB
You say
“I guess you are still trying to split the subject of the passage when there is no grammatical, contextual, or logical reason for you to do so.”

These are all the tools you have??

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Acts 2

2 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man [r]attested to you by God with [s]miracles and wonders and [t]signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— 23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of [u]godless men and put Him to death. 24 [v]But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the [w]agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held [x]in its power. 25 For David says of Him,

‘ I saw the Lord always in my presence;
For He is at my right hand, so that I will not be shaken.
26 ‘Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted;
Moreover my flesh also will live in hope;
27 Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,
Nor [y]allow Your [z]Holy One to [aa]undergo decay.
28 ‘You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of gladness with Your presence.’
29 “[ab]Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is [ac]with us to this day. 30 And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one [ad]of his descendants on his throne, 31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of [ae]the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh [af]suffer decay. 32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore having been exalted [ag] to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. 34 For it was not David who ascended into [ah]heaven, but he himself says:

‘ The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and [ai]Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”

THIS MAN FROM NAZARETH HAS BEEN MADE LORD AND CHRIST

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2012,18:49)

Hi MB, You do not know of the unity between Jesus and the anointing? Inseperable even in death. This should be you hope too but what is your hope?

Nick,

WHOEVER died on the cross is the same one who was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in human likeness, and then humbling himself to the point of death.

If “the spirit of Christ” did not die on the cross, then Phil 2:5-8 is NOT about “the spirit of Christ”.

On the other hand, if JESUS died on the cross, then Phil 2:5-8 IS about JESUS.  And if it is about JESUS (like Paul clearly wrote), then JESUS was the one existing in the form of God before emptying himself to be made flesh and dying on the cross.

Nick, I tried to shed this light on you graciously – but I see that is not an option for someone such as yourself.

Your doctrine is shot down once again.  That is now at least FOUR clear, scriptural proofs of why your understanding simply cannot be.

But you'll go ahead and keep claiming it anyway, won't you?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2012,18:50)

Hi MB, Did your lesser god die?

Yes.  He tasted death for all of us.

Nick, can you scripturally REFUTE the fact that Jesus is a god?

Can you scripturally REFUTE the fact that Jesus is not the Most High God?

If you can do neither of these things, they why would you try to taunt me with the words “lesser god” – considering it is exactly what the scriptures teach?

When you try to poke fun at me in such a way, you end up poking fun at yourself, and demonstrating that I believe the scriptures while you think they're something to poke fun at.

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,10:32)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 07 2012,17:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,11:09) No Kerwin, The Word is who was WITH Yahweh in the beginning.   Mike, Father Yahweh's word is not a “who”! LOL! Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. Is Father Yahweh's word a “who” in this verse?

Mike,

Yahshua is a who, but the words that proceed from his mouth most certainly is not a “who”! Father Yahweh's son's GIVEN name is Yahshua. What is given reference to in the Revelation verse that you submitted is an attribute of Yahshua and not his ACTUAL name and it says that his name/title (an attribute) is called “The Word of Yahweh”. This title is attributed to him because Father Yahweh's word will be proceeding from his mouth sharper than any two edged sword. Father Yahweh's word is not a who, but an it. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period.

For the word of Yahweh is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

Starting with Revelation 1:10:

I was in the Spirit on Yahweh's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. …

Are you taking the vision that Yahchanan is describing here LITERALLY so far? From the context you certainly know that this is speaking of Yahshua, right?

… In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

Is there a “who” coming out of Yahshua's mouth here?

Following is the MEANING of what is being described in vision of what Yahchanan saw concerning what is coming out of Yahshua's mouth:

“To the malak of the assembly in Ephesus write: THESE ARE THE WORDS OF HIM who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands:

Are the words that are coming out of Yahshua's mouth a “who”?

…

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 07 2012,20:07)

Mike, Yahshua is a who, but the words that proceed from his mouth most certainly is not a “who”!

Agreed, Frank.

But John 1:1 and 1:14 speak of the “who”, Yahshua – just like Rev 19:13 does.

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 08 2012,13:07)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,10:32) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 07 2012,17:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,11:09) No Kerwin, The Word is who was WITH Yahweh in the beginning.   Mike, Father Yahweh's word is not a “who”! LOL! Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. Is Father Yahweh's word a “who” in this verse? Mike, Yahshua is a who, but the words that proceed from his mouth most certainly is not a “who”! Father Yahweh's son's GIVEN name is Yahshua. What is given reference to in the Revelation verse that you submitted is an attribute of Yahshua and not his ACTUAL name and it says that his name/title (an attribute) is called “The Word of Yahweh”. This title is attributed to him because Father Yahweh's word will be proceeding from his mouth sharper than any two edged sword. Father Yahweh's word is not a who, but an it. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period. For the word of Yahweh is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart (Hebrews 4:12). Starting with Revelation 1:10: I was in the Spirit on Yahweh's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. … Are you taking the vision that Yahchanan is describing here LITERALLY so far? From the context you certainly know that this is speaking of Yahshua, right? … In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. Is there a “who” coming out of Yahshua's mouth here? Following is the MEANING of what is being described in vision of what Yahchanan saw concerning what is coming out of Yahshua's mouth: “To the malak of the assembly in Ephesus write: THESE ARE THE WORDS OF HIM who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands: Are the words that are coming out of Yahshua's mouth a “who”? …

Mike,

Revelation 2:12:

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF HIM who has the sharp, double-edged sword [COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH!].

Note that he says this to the assemblies:

“Yet you remain true to my name.”

That name is Yahshua!

Revelation 2:16:

Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:18:

“To the malak of the assembly in Thyatira write: These are the words of the son of Yahweh, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.

Revelation 2:29:

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.

Do you have ear to hear this!

Revelation 3:3:

[U]Remember, therefore, what you have received and HEARD; obey IT, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Revelation 3:16:

So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Are you still taking what is being said here LITERALLY? If so, do you believe that Yahshua will LITERALLY be spitting people out of his mouth?

Revelation 3:18:

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

Can you SEE and HEAR this? This is speaking of perception and understanding I hope you know and not LITERALLY of what you can ACTUALLY hear with your ears and see with your eyes.

Revelation 3:19:

Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline [WITH THE WORD that is not and actual being!]. So be earnest, and repent.

Revelation 3:20:

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone HEARS MY VOICE and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

[mikeboll64]

Frank,

What is the point of your long cut and paste job? And how does it refute the fact that Jesus is the Word in John 1 and Rev 19?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,13:11)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 07 2012,20:07) Mike, Yahshua is a who, but the words that proceed from his mouth most certainly is not a “who”! Agreed, Frank. But John 1:1 and 1:14 speak of the “who”, Yahshua – just like Rev 19:13 does.

Mike,

Father Yahweh's word is personified just as his wisdom is personified in the female gender. Are we to believe that there was also a “Goddess” with Yahweh also? I think not!

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2012,13:49)

Frank, What is the point of your long cut and paste job?  And how does it refute the fact that Jesus is the Word in John 1 and Rev 19?

Mike,

And where in Scripture does it ever say “Yahshua is the word.”? NOWHERE!

[NickHassan]

Hi FRank,
Yes the Word is as the Sword of the SPIRIT in the mouth of Yashua Christos.

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