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Hi Danny,
YOU: I believe that. Even Trinitarians believe that. (I’m not a Trinitarian.)
ME: Well, let’s look at this a bit further and see where you stand.
I have debated on here with trinitarians and non trinitarians who both have told me that Jesus’s name is “YHVH is salvation” because Jesus is himself YHVH. They both have also said that Jesus was born already existing as “Christ”.
In these debates, the Spirit descending upon Jesus and coming down from heaven to abode in him is not given at all the great significance it so very much deserves. They don’t equate it to that which scripture clearly provides us with. Instead, their significance is held in their belief that a Son of God left his heavenly glory and obeyed the Father to come down to earth and abode in a human body, wherein that life began from a conception in Mary’s womb.
They say we are saved by God sending His only begotten Son down to earth. They say he was resurrected returning to the glory he had before the world began.
I say that we are saved through God’s Spirit having come to dwell in the man Jesus, where he was then sent out into the world being fully led by the Spirit and where the Spirit is there is righteousness and life. If the Spirit in man brings forth righteousness to eternal life, no wonder we see that God could not hold Jesus to the penalty of death, He raised him from the dead giving him the “PROMISED SPIRIT” to dwell in him for all eternity. This was all purposed by YHVH before the world began where everything that was then made by YHVH was made through this WORD.
YHVH is salvation, His Spirit in man brings forth salvation. This should be obvious, as the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, RIGHTEOUSNESS and truth and where there is righteousness there is eternal life.
This is the WORD made true in the flesh, in Jesus! Jesus was then sent to preach that it would be made true in us, saying that we would be baptized with the baptism he received and we would drink of the cup that he drinks of. He preached it saying a man must be born of the Spirit to enter into God’s kingdom.
Hi Danny,
YOU: Our salvation from sin is only possible because of the precious blood of Jesus Christ that was lovingly shed for all mankind!
(Ephesians 1:7, 1 Peter 1:18-19, Revelation 1:5)ME: There is really A LOT more to it than that but it is all held when in those passages you provided we focus on CHRIST- anointed of the Spirit.
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification (purification) of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
How was it that Jesus was obedient?
Danny, do you believe that Jesus was called to righteousness just as was prophesied by Isaiah, where first there is a man and then God gives his Spirit to abode in him where he is said to be called to righteousness to fulfill God’s covenant?
Do you believe that the fruit of the Spirit is truly in all goodness, righteousness and truth and that this Spirit did indeed come to abode in Jesus without measure at the river Jordan?
Hi to all
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.If Christ did not pre-exist before the incarnation, how did the people before the incarnation (Adam and Eve, the prophets, the patriarchs, and just about anyone before Jesus’ birth) who were all considered as saints and communicated with God in some way? or another, were able to do so, when John 14:6 clearly states that no one can come to the Father (God) except through Jesus Christ?
You: At this point, as you continue to show your unbelief and want to debate to that unbelief I believe you really should be moving to the Skeptics forum and look to discuss this over there.
Me: So my “unbelief” is not believing the same as you or no longer believing in christianity?!? This “unbelief” in Jesus being the messiah is founded in the fact he doesn’t fulfill the requirement God said and now I’m a “skeptic”?!?! Still waiting for how Jesus, a product of the spirit, can be the messiah when he isn’t of the biological descendant (seed) of David and Solomon as God said he would be.
You: I know that we have unfinished business but I am not going to continue debating with you on this thread.
Me: Were would you like to continue?
What I’ve discovered being here is it’s religions fighting over who’s right and who’s wrong concerning this “inspired word of God” (quite the oxymoron when one thinks about it); never once has there been an actual discussion of the words spoken by God, only learned responses of man’s individual religious understanding.
One of the first passages that sent me down my current path is Isa 7:14 and we’re told it’s a prophesy pointing to Jesus; then I read the entire chapter and nowhere is there any mention of a “messiah” or this centuries later birth of a child that will save mankind. Yet every year at Christmas this single verse is quoted claiming it’s about Jesus’ birth and it’s a lie. Why doesn’t anyone see the error or more accurately, why is this error ignored and the lie perpetuated? The answer is simple, no one sees the error because no one has read it.
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it…
@ DT
Ησαΐας (Isaiah) 61:1 :: Septuagint (LXX)
Isaiah 61:1 –πνεῦμα κυρίου ἐπ᾽ ἐμέ οὗ εἵνεκεν ἔχρισέν με εὐαγγελίσασθαι πτωχοῖς ἀπέσταλκέν με ἰάσασθαι τοὺς συντετριμμένους τῇ καρδίᾳ κηρύξαι αἰχμαλώτοις ἄφεσιν καὶ τυφλοῖς ἀνάβλεψιν
Spirit of the Lord upon me, who has anointed me, evangelize the poor, send me to save the brokenhearted, preach forgiveness to the captives, and recovery to the blind.
It is believed that the text cited in Luke 4 corresponds to the text of the Greek Bible.
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◄ Isaiah 61 ►
Brenton’s Septuagint TranslationThe Year of the LORD’s Favor
1The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me; he has sent me to preach glad tidings to the poor, to heal the broken in heart, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind;
Nice try; HOWEVER, wasn’t it you who stated the Septuagint was a corrupt translation?!?! Since you believe the only true translation is the King James, why are you using the Septuagint in this particular situation? Explain why the Septuagint is the only translation that uses this language in Isaiah? Even the translators of the King James went to the original Hebrew and not the Greek when they compiled the “Old Testament” and didn’t include the phrase “recovery of sight to the blind” in Isaiah, but do in Luke. Sounds like you are using the Septuagint as a matter of convenience to explain away a corruption. Shame on you!
Also, the original Septuagint was only the first five books of the OT and was translated mid third century BC and is “believed” the rest of the books of the OT where done in the second century BC, as only fragments of other books have been recovered. HOWEVER, the earliest complete manuscript of the Septuagint is from the fourth century AD. You must also remember the common language of the first century in that region was Aramaic and the language spoken in the temple would NOT have been Greek, but Hebrew; God’s language. The manuscripts they would have been reading from would have also been Hebrew and NOT Greek.
The corruption is in front of you, but you don’t see it; when it’s pointed out, you double down on the corruption claiming it to be truth. GO VERIFY IT!!!!!!
Hi Jodi,
I believe that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of YHWH.
At this time I need to take a break.
My real name is Devis Awaleh.
Danny Dabbs is a fictitious name.
Please pray for me because the Devil and his minions hate me.Hi Berean,
Concerning your post regarding verse 6 of the below,
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
The context is speaking to entering into the Father’s house and Jesus’s return. Jesus is returning and will judge the world and give reward, he will give the Father’s Spirit of righteousness and eternal life to abode (be begotten) in you where you are coming unto the Father entering into His house, His kingdom.
Berean, don’t forget the promise of 1 Chronicles 17, a son of David God is going to become a Father unto him where He will settle him into His house and His kingdom giving him an eternal throne. We see indeed that the Son of Man was exalted to God’s right hand and was settled into His kingdom.
How long are you going to pretend that having the Spirit of God come to abode in you is not the same thing as being born of the Spirit of God and thus is having been begotten by God? You assert a doctrine from connecting false interpretations together where it all leads you to be totally blind to the clear truth laid directly in front of you.
The clear given truth is a promise that God was going to become a Father unto a man and would settle him into His kingdom. Jesus said that a man must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter into God’s kingdom, he was speaking of himself and all men. Jesus said where I am you may also be and he had been raised receiving the “promised Spirit” “on this day I have begotten you”.
Jesus had prior received the Spirit to abode in and remain upon him at the river Jordan and the fruit of that Spirit is in all goodness righteousness and truth. He received the Spirit without measure to be sent out to preach God’s word and that which he preached was that we would receive the baptism he received and we would drink of the cup that he drinks of, but to sit on his right or left in the kingdom is for the Father to decide.
Believe in the clearly given truth, the Spirit descended coming to abode and remain upon Jesus and the Spirit causes righteousness, prophecy fulfilled that a man would be called to righteousness for to fulfill God’s covenant.
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest,
The Son of God was manifested, Chronicles 17 fulfilled, a son of David became God’s Son through being born of God, born of His Spirit which causes all goodness, RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH. The people beheld his glory as the only begotten of the Father filled with grace and TRUTH, which was in fact God’s WORD spoken by Isaiah and was God’s WORD from the beginning.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
THE GLORY in this Son of Man, is God’s Spirit in him, which makes him a Son as he is led by that Spirit aboding in him in all of God’s ways, which according to Isaiah 11 he judges the world through the Spirit upon him, not by his own eyes and ears, but through the righteousness that the Spirit causes.
1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ (the man anointed of the Spirit), a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
Hebrews 9 speaking of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc..
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city…
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Christ did not have to pre-exist Berean, God’s WORD of Christ declared from the beginning needed to be fulfilled. Noah and Abraham, etc, needed to have faith in God, faith in His promises which we know God purposed in Jesus Christ, He had made all things by reason of and for him, a firstborn of many brethren.
….39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Berean, Jesus being called “The Word of God” has nothing to do with him pre-existing and speaking creation into existence, the content of Revelation 19 does not speak to this at all, nor does John 1.
God’s WORD from the beginning was His PROMISED SPIRIT, with His Spirit coming to abode in a man, God making a son of David into His own Son and then anointing him to fulfill His determined purpose, the very reason why He had created all things, by Himself, in the first place.
we don’t read in John 1 details about Jesus having created heaven and earth by his mouth, we read of prophecy being fulfilled to which God had declared from the beginning,
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Berean, John 1 speaks of prophecy fulfilled in Jesus, he is the promised son of David to whom God became a Father to and promised him to be king. But you speak the opposite of the truth, saying that a Son of God became a man. God begat Jesus with His Spirit, God’s WORD made true in the flesh, where he was filled with grace and TRUTH. The people beheld his glory as he was sent out for to be a light and was the prophet Moses spoke of, one raised up among his brethren to speak God’s word, where the words that he spoke they were Spirit and they were life and those words were that we must be born of the Spirit also and by such we are able to enter into God’s kingdom.
A Son of Man became God’s Son and this man was exalted to God’s right hand into His kingdom and this man is returning in the glory of the Father, THAT GLORY IS YHVH’S SPIRIT LIVING IN JESUS, which was YHVH’s determined purpose when He was creating heaven and earth, by Himself, ALONE, with His own hands. Now take this truth and start interpreting all other passages with this knowledge.
Hi DT,
I think you misunderstand,
Believers place according to admin,
“This category is called Believers Place and is for believers, i.e., those who believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the messiah.”
“Anyone who doesn’t believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and messiah is a Skeptic.”
If you go to Skeptics Place you will see a topic on “Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say?” and I believe that this would be an appropriate place for you to post.
You’ve hijacked this thread, it’s to be about “John 1:1, who is the Word?” not about if Jesus is the Messiah.
@DT
You can say anything about me, but Luke used the septuagint. As for me, I don’t usually read the Septuagint.
I just pointed out that the septuagint was used by Luke, so that’s all.@ Jodi
The context is speaking to entering into the Father’s house and Jesus’s return.
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A Bridge for the Gulf
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6. TMK 82.1When Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life,” He uttered a truth of wonderful significance. The transgression of man had separated earth from heaven, and finite man from the infinite God. As an island is separated from a continent, so earth was cut off from heaven, and a wide channel intervened between man and God. Jesus bridged this gulf, and made a way for man to come to God. He who has no spiritual light sees no way, has no hope, and men have originated theories of their own regarding the way to life…. But the only name given among men whereby they can be saved is Jesus. Across the gulf that sin has made come His words, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” … TMK 82.2
Man can be justified alone through the imputation of Christ’s righteousness. Man is justified freely by God’s grace through faith, and not by works, lest any man should boast. Salvation is the gift of God through Jesus Christ our Lord…. TMK 82.3
After the enemy had betrayed Adam and Eve into sin, the connection between heaven and earth was severed, and had it not been for Christ, the way to heaven would never have been known by the fallen race…. Christ is the mystic ladder, the base of which rests upon the earth, and whose topmost round reaches to the throne of the Infinite. The children of Adam are not left desolate and alienated from God, for through Christ’s righteousness we have access unto the Father. TMK 82.4
“By me,” said Christ, “if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture” (John 10:9). Let earth be glad, let the inhabitants of the world rejoice, that Christ has bridged the gulf which sin had made, and has bound earth and heaven together. A highway has been cast up for the ransomed of the Lord. The weary and heavy laden may come unto Him and find rest to their souls. The pilgrim may journey toward the mansions that He has gone to prepare for those who love Him.23The Review and Herald, November 11, 1890.
God bless
Hi DT,
You: @Carmel,
Me: I REPEAT WHAT I SAID IN MY POST: 946277 TRUTH HURTS!!!!You: You have to present truth first.
ME: HERE COMES THE PURE TRUTH, AND YOU HAVE TO START
CHEWING GOD’S SPIRITUAL WORDS AND WORK:
I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!
Genesis 17:1 And after he began to be ninety and nine years old, the Lord appeared to him: and said unto him:
IF GOD WANTED THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATES SARAI,
WHY DID HE WAIT FOR ABRAM TO BE NINETY-NINE, AND NOT BEFORE WHEN HE WAS DEFINITELY FERTILE, THE FACT THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATED HAGAR?
I am the Almighty God: walk before me,
THE ABOVE DECLARATION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY, PRECISELY THE ONLY TIME GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF SAID AND CALLED HIMSELF SO AND MADE CLEAR TO ABRAM,
CONFIRMS THAT ABRAM WAS NOT FERTILE ANYMORE,
KEEP ON READING MR. DESIRETRUTH, TOTALLY SPIRITUALLY BLIND AND CARNALLY STAGNATED WITH EVERY RESPECT!
and be perfect.
READ AGAIN WHAT GOD IN THIS INSTANT SAID TO ABRAM
I AM GOD ALMIGHTY….
BE PERFECT!
JUST CLEAR YOUR CORRUPTED MIND FOR A CHANGE AND SEE THINGS FROM
GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE!
WHAT HAPPENED TO ABRAM ONCE GOD ALMIGHTY PRONOUNCED THOSE PRECISE WORDS?
I MEAN:
BE PERFECT!!!!
ONLY GOD IS PERFECT AND NO ONE ON THIS PLANET COULD EVER BE PERFECT!
NOW SINCE YOU WANT THINGS GIVEN TO YOU WITH A SPOON,
GOD MADE ABRAM PERFECT IN THAT PRECISE MOMENT IN TIME
MR. DESIRETRUTH!
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
NO, YOU DON’T I’M AFRAID SO I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU WITH A SPOON AGAIN:
GOD MADE ABRAM FERTILE AGAIN,
AND AT THE SAME TIME, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN HIS PERFECTION,
FOR GOD’S UNIQUE WORK OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN HIS FIRSTBORN SON ISAAC, MADE IT CLEAR TO ABRAM NOT TO HAVE SEX AGAIN, WITH ANYONE, NOT EVEN WITH SARAI, NEVER MIND HE IMPREGANTES SARAH,
TILL HIS /GOD’S FIRSTBORN SON, ISAAC BE BORN!
THE FACT THAT ISAAC’S NAME WAS GIVEN BY GOD AND WAS NEVER CHANGED LIKE IN THE CASE OF ABRAM, SARAI, AND JACOB! GOT IT MR. DESIRETRUTH!!! NOW ATTENTION PLEASE: HERE IT COMES MORE TRUTH AND CHEW
MR. DESIRETRUTH!
2And I will make my covenant between me and thee:
DID YOU GET THAT??? NO, YOU DON’T I’M AFRAID!! READ AGAIN
I WILL ……. BETWEEN ME AND YOU: NOW TO THE END OF GOD’S WORDS!!!
and I will multiply thee exceedingly.
ANSWER PLEASE:
IS THERE EVEN A MERE INDICATION OF SEXUAL REFERENCE IN THE ABOVE STATEMENT BY GOD ALMIGHTY? NOW ATTENTION AGAIN!
3 Abram fell flat on his face.
WHY MR. DEIRETRUTH,
ABRAM FELL FLAT ON HIS FACE!
HAVE YOU GOT ANY SUGGESTIONS, THAT IF ABRAM AT THAT PRECISE MOMENT IN TIME WAS IN THE POSITION TO HAVE SEX WOULD HE ALSO FALL FLAT ON HIS FACE?
YES OR NO PLEASE!!!
KEEP ON READING AND CHEW:
4And God said to him:
I AM,
and my covenant is with thee,
and thou shalt be a father. of many nations.
HERE IT COMES THE PURE TRUTH!
5Neither shall thy name be called anymore Abram:
but thou shalt be called Abraham:
because I HAVE MADE YOU THEE A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS.
DT, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON,
SATAN BELIEVED THAT HE ANTICIPATED GOD ALMIGHTY, AND MADE ISHMAEL ABRAM’S ONLY FIRSTBORN, AS IMMEDIATELY AFTER HE HAD SEX WITH THE SATANIC HAGAR HE BECAME INFERTILE!
GOD ASSERTED ABRAM, AND THE FIRST THING HE SAID TO HIM WAS
ATTENTION PLEASE
BE PERFECT!
PERFECT REGARDING REPRODUCTION,
BUT NOT AS ABRAM ANYMORE BUT AS
ABRAHAM FOR GOD’S UNIQUE WORK OF HIS SON JESUS,
THE ETERNAL LIFE AND THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN ISAAC!
THE ONLY PATRIARCH THAT MAINTAINED HIS NAME!
KEEP ON READING PLEASE, ALWAYS THOUGH FROM GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE!
And I will make thee increase, exceedingly, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee, and between thy seed after thee in their generations,
WHAT KIND OF SEED DID GOD REFER TO ABOVE, DON’T TELL ME
ABRAHAM’S SPERM FOR GOD’S SAKE!! READ WHAT GOD DECLARED:
by a perpetual covenant:
to be a God to thee, and to thy seed after thee.
NOW READ
Matthew 13:37 Who made answer and said to them:
He that soweth the good seed, is the Son of man.
OK MR. DESIRETRUTH!
ABRAHAM SEED WAS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, WHO CONCEIVED ABRAM IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB!
TO MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY,
THE FIRST AND THE BEGINNING OF GOD’S WORK!
John 8: 58 BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS BORN:
I AM
MORE TRUTH AND HIDDEN MYSTERIES!
8And I will give to thee, and to thy seed,
the land of thy sojournment,
all the land of Chanaan for a perpetual possession,
and I will be their God.
NOW HERE COMES SOMETHING THAT YOU NEVER BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
BLOCKED IN YOUR MIND ONLY IN THE PHYSICAL PERSPECTIVE!
MORTAL!!!
ANSWER PLEASE:
WHAT IS FROM GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE:
THE LAND OF THY SOJOURNMENT!
IN THE TRUTH IS????
DON’T BOTHER TO REPLY:
I AM NOT FINISHED YET!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Didn’t realize you controlled and set the tone for this forum of “believers” only; sounds like a country club.
The discussion of who or what the “word” is in John 1 has been going on in this thread for over 20 years and there is still zero consensus of who/what the “word” really is and if we’re being honest, your religious beliefs are simply another opinion to what John was trying to convey. The centuries old disagreement over the meaning of this passage should the first clue there is something wrong; how can a statement that is “inspired” from God be open to interpretation or needs to be demystified? When God spoke to mankind in the Tanakh it was never shrouded in mysteries; it was plain and easy to understand. If you are puzzled by what God supposedly said, you may need to question whether it came from God or not;
Anyways, seems you found your out from having to discuss anything with me anymore and is what I figured would eventually happen as christianity cannot answer my questions; if it did, there would be no one left in “christianity”; oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
PS
Read Hosea 3:4-5 for a glimpse of what God said was to happen in the last days or keep waiting for the Jesus.
PPS
You should look into what it means to be Bnai Noach (Noahide).
You: I just pointed out that the Septuagint was used by Luke, so that’s all.
Me: Are you okay with a corrupt version being used as truth? The question still remains unanswered, why would Jesus be reading from a Greek translation and not the original Hebrew? This doesn’t cause you pause and question the veracity of what Luke wrote?
You: I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!
Me: You don’t tell me much of anything except foolishness.
You: IF GOD WANTED THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATES SARAI, WHY DID HE WAIT FOR ABRAM TO BE NINETY-NINE, AND NOT BEFORE WHEN HE WAS DEFINITELY FERTILE, THE FACT THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATED HAGAR?
Me: This has to be one of the most obtuse statements I have read recently; you really don’t know about reproduction do you, a man continues to produce sperm until the day they die. This is biological fact that is easily found with any simple search. Also, Abraham was 175 years when he died and I would have to safely presume people then aged way differently than today.
You: I am the Almighty God: walk before me,
THE ABOVE DECLARATION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY, PRECISELY THE ONLY TIME GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF SAID AND CALLED HIMSELF SO AND MADE CLEAR TO ABRAM,
Me: Except God said it in Gen 35:11 to Jacob and in Ex 6:3 speaking to Moses.
Concerning the rest of what you wrote, where did you come up with that nonsensical, mish-mash, interpretation of God’s word? Beginning to wonder what this spirit really is you claim you have; seems like a little to much “sticky bush.”
You: WHAT KIND OF SEED DID GOD REFER TO ABOVE, DON’T TELL ME
ABRAHAM’S SPERM FOR GOD’S SAKE!! READ WHAT GOD DECLARED:
Me: verse 7 “And I will establish my covenant between me and you, and between your offspring after you, throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant to be as God for you and to your offspring after you.” So what do you think “offspring” means if not through the act of procreation?
You: ABRAHAM SEED WAS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, WHO CONCEIVED ABRAM IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB!
Me: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Where did you come up with that!??!?!
You: WHAT IS FROM GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE: THE LAND OF THY SOJOURNMENT!
Me: verse 8 “And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land in which you are living as an alien, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting property. And I will be to them as God.” The land in which Abraham is living; isn’t that what “sojourning” means, the place you live. Stop with the spiritualizing of everything, you’re making yourself look like a fool. God didn’t speak in riddles to the Israelite’s; HE spoke plainly because HE was speaking to man, a species not know for being the brightest bulb.
You: I AM NOT FINISHED YET!
Me: PLEASE BE!!!
Haven’t forgotten, still waiting for how Jesus, conceived of the spirit, could possibly be the Messiah when he doesn’t fulfill the simple requirement of being of the seed (biological descendent) of David and Solomon. Or how Jesus’ lineage can go through Jeconiah, who God said was to be remembered as childless. Tic-Tok
DT,
YOU:
Didn’t realize you controlled and set the tone for this forum of “believers” only; sounds like a country club.
ME: What are you talking about? You have become extraordinarily sensitive. Take a couple of deep breathes. I am merely asking that you post on an appropriate thread and I also spoke mentioning to everyone else that we should all try to post according to the thread’s topic. Of course topics do bleed together, like in this thread speaking to how it is Jesus is a Son of God. But whether or not Jesus is the Messiah is totally off base. I noticed that Danny started talking about hell and I plan to speak to this and what he said but in it’s own thread, either starting a new one or bumping an old one up.
DT, I referenced an existing thread on the topic you want to discuss and after my post to you I immediately went to that thread and responded to you. Scroll down on Recent Replies and you will find it. This thread is in Skeptics Place and it’s called “Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say?”
Hi DT,
You:
Me: I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!
You: You don’t tell me much of anything except foolishness.
ME: I ALREADY MADE CLEAR ABOUT YOUR WISDOM, READ AGAIN WHAT I TOLD YOU IN MY POST 946297
INSTEAD, YOU OPTED TO PLAY WITH WORDS,
WHICH PROVES THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN SMELLING THE TRUTH,
THE FACT THAT YOU ARE AS YOU PROCLAIM YOURSELF YOU ARE
“DESIRETRUTH”
I NEVER EXPECTED THAT YOU EVER PERCEIVE GOD’S SPIRITUAL WORK AT ALL! MY ONLY INTEREST IS TO USE YOU FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS MORE ENLIGHTENED THAN YOU ARE!
SCRIPTURE!
1 Corinthians 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize,
but to preach the gospel:
not in wisdom of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.
18 For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish,
is foolishness;
but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.
19For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent I will reject.
20Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world?
Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world,
by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God,
by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe.
22For both the Jews require signs, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock,
and unto the Gentiles foolishness:
24 But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25For the foolishness of God is wiser than men;
and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For see your vocation, brethren,
that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble:
27But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen,
that he may confound the wise;
and the weak things of the world hath God chosen,
that he may confound the strong.
28And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen,
and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his sight.
30But of him are you in Christ Jesus,
who of God is made unto us wisdom, and justice, and sanctification, and redemption:
31That, as it is written: He that glorieth, may glory in the Lord.
You: This has to be one of the most obtuse statements I have read recently;
you really don’t know about reproduction do you,
a man continues to produce sperm until the day they die.
This is biological fact that is easily found with any simple search.
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN GOD’S WORK???
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD AND HIS SPIRITUAL WORK,
IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE/ EXISTENCE TO ALL HIS ENTIRE WORK!
HUMAN SPERM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD’S REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS AT ALL!
HE DETERMINES WHO WILL BE
REPRODUCTIVE OR NOT!
Me: THIS HAS TO BE THE MOST OBTUSE STATEMENTS I READ THROUGHOUT MY EXISTENCE AS A
“PERFECT MAN” REGARDING REPRODUCTION!
YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW ABOUT REPRODUCTION DO YOU???????
NEVER MIND GOD’S SPIRITUAL TASK AND WORK READ:
Isaiah 55:11 For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth,
so are my ways exalted above your ways,
and my thoughts above your thoughts.
10And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11So shall my word be,
which shall go forth from my mouth:
it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please,
and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
12For you shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace:
the mountains and the hills shall sing praise before you,
and all the trees of the country shah clap their hands.
DID YOU EVER HEARD THE ABOVE FOOLISHNESS Mr. DEIRETRUTH????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
13Instead of the shrub,
shall come up the fir tree,
and instead of the nettle,
shall come up the myrtle tree:
and the Lord shall be named for an everlasting sign,
that shall not be taken away.
HOW ABOUT THE ABOVE DID YOU GET IT!
I AM RUNNING OUT OF SPOONS:
IS THE ABOVE ALSO FOOLISHNESS Mr. DEIRETRUTH????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
NOW TO YOUR SPECIFIC WISDOM:
You: a man continues to produce sperm until the day they die.
WE ARE DISCUSSING REPRODUCTION IN FULL!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Where did you come up with that NONSENSE!??!?!
THAT’S ONLY THE PROCESS OF THE REPRODUCTION OF
THE USELESS HUMAN SPERM!!!!
SUBJECT TO GOD’S WORK THROUGHOUT!
Mr. DESIRETRUTH! HERE I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU WITH ANOTHER SPOON, AND AS I SAID:
I BETTER GET MORE SPOONS AS I RAN OUT OF THEM!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
A MAN CAN PRODUCE AS MUCH AS LITERS OF SPERM AS HE IS CAPABLE OF BUT IT IS OF NO USE AT ALL FIRST AND FOREMOST IT HAS TO BE PERFECTLY FERTILE, AND SECOND THE MAN MUST NOT SUFFER FROM:
ED.
ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION: MR. DT!
SUBJECT TO GOD!
THE FACT THAT, ANOTHER SPOON FOR YOU, THE LAST ONE I’M AFRAID:
ABRAHAM, FELL ON HIS FACE not once but
TWICE, AND IN THE LAST ONE HE EVEN
LAUGHED……
THE FACT THAT HIS/GOD’S SON WAS NAMED BY GOD!!!!!
ISAAC!
Genesis 17:3 And Abram fell on his face:…
Genesis 17: 17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed,…
NOW READ AND LEARN PLEASE:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/erectile-dysfunction
What is erectile dysfunction (ED)?
Erectile dysfunction is defined as the persistent inability to achieve or maintain penile erection sufficient for satisfactory sexual performance.ME: I am the Almighty God: walk before me,
THE ABOVE DECLARATION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY, PRECISELY THE ONLY TIME GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF SAID AND CALLED HIMSELF SO AND MADE CLEAR TO ABRAM,
ME: NOW READ IN HOW DESPERATE YOUR STATE IS WITH YOUR USELESS REASONOINING!
Me: Except God said it in Gen 35:11 to Jacob and in Ex 6:3 speaking to Moses.
WHAT’S THAT GOT TO DO WITH WHAT I ASSERTED MR. DESIRETRUTH!
PLAYING WITH USELESS WORDS!
YOU ARE A WASTE OF TIME!!!!
You: Haven’t forgotten, still waiting for how Jesus, conceived of the spirit, could possibly be the Messiah when he doesn’t fulfill the simple requirement of being of the seed (biological descendent) of David and Solomon. Or how Jesus’ lineage can go through Jeconiah, who God said was to be remembered as childless. Tic-Tok
Me: I AM NOT FINISHED YET!
Me: PLEASE BE!!!
YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT ONLY BLIND!
BUT DEAD!
JUST READ AGAIN WHAT I SAID IN THE POST #946209
Mary’s husband Joseph, who was Heli’s son-in-law,
became Heli’s legal son to continue Heli’s family line.
The point of all of this is that in the culture of ancient Israel, inheritance from father to son was so significant and essential that,
FOR ALL LEGAL INTENTS AND PURPOSES,
Jesus was Joseph’s son,even if He was not Joseph’s biological son.
Then there’s also the case of a stepson who took on
the LEGAL status of his stepfather.
Hence: Jesus can be recognized as
“Solomon’s son”
through Jesus’ step-father, Joseph.Matthew’s purpose is to prove to the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. The Jews would have recognized from this genealogical list that Jesus had
the LEGAL right to inherit the throne of David.
Luke’s purpose was just to show from Mary’s genealogy that she came from the blood-line of David which showed thatJesus was a BLOOD-LINE descendant of David.
The scepter and throne of David and Solomon, descendants of Judah, will come to the
Messiah Jesus, who will rule and reign forever:
The scepter and throne are Jesus’ legal inheritance, through his earthly paternal lineage.
But for YOU who has a problem with Jesus’ not being a biological descendant of Solomon, through Joseph,
the scepter also is Jesus’ biological inheritance, since
He is a direct descendant of King David,
through his maternal lineage.
You: I know, my questions are meant to be ignored???????????????????
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
YAWN!! Everything you wrote is an extrapolation of your mind and not in the word of God. No where is it written Abraham had ED; created in your mind.
God never spoke to man in riddles; riddles are what you are creating in your mind.
Still no evidence, except in your mind, that God was the one who impregnated Sarah.
Joseph is of the line of Jeconiah who God said is childless; still waiting for where it is written Jeconiah was restored to the Davidic line. Without that, every descendant after Jeconiah is meaningless.
Stop quoting from the Tanakh, you believe it’s obsolete AND you’re demonstrating your lack of understanding of the words written within.
Carmel, no one care about your supposed “expert spiritual mind” because it’s not grounded in reality and more importantly, God’s Word. The words written in the pages of he bible are to be understood as they are written first and that meaning will take precedence over any extrapolated thought you can come up with. Understanding God’s Word as it is written has nothing to do with being “carnally minded”, it’s understanding God’s Word as HE intended. You however, have elevated yourself as some superior spiritual guru who has received all this “spiritual wisdom”; when in reality you sound a little cuckoo-for-cocoa puffs.
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