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You have already been given that answer.
You don’t want the truth.
Anyway, you call yourself “desiretruth” yet you reject the one
who is the truth Himself. What a shame!
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6Hi Gene,
You: Carmel…….I am of the “root”
of the Balthrop family, and also the “offspring” of ANDREW, JUST THAT SIMPLE. no mystery, no tricks, no deceptions, simple the truth.
ME; But you are not
the root itself!
THE BEGINNING!
AS SIMPLE AS THAT!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
You: Carmel you said…….”THE ROOT IS ALWAYS THE BEGINNING OF ALL FRUITS!”
Wrong, again, The Seed is!
ME: OUT OF CONTEXT!
WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING
WHO OR WHAT IS THE BEGINNING?
BUT THE PROCESS BETWEEN
THE ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING!
NOW BETWEEN THE ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING
THE ROOT IS ALWAYS THE BEGINNING OF ALL FRUIT/OFFSPRING!
AND ALSO THE LIFE OF ALL FRUIT/OFFSPRING!
NOW: YOU AND NO OTHER HUMAN EVER ON EARTH CAN BE
BOTH
THE ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING Mr. GENIOUS!
JESUS IS/WAS BOTH
AS SIMPLE AS THAT
ALSO, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE SEED!
WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT’S YOUR PIGEON,
BUT JESUS AS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD IS BOTH
THE BEGINNING AND
THE SEED OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
ALL IN HIM
peace and love in Jesus Christ
Berean……you lack the ability to understand The sense in which things are said in scriptures. Jesus died for (because of) our sin and not only ours but the sins of the whole world. That needs to be understood in the right context.
Jesus was the man God prophesied to come by the prophets, he was the first human being to not sin, he was a the prototype of the “perfect man”, from mankind that God the Father perfected through his Spirit, as Scripture clearly shows, he bear witness of the truth of God to us all, was taken by sinful people and was killed by them.
He demonstrated to us all how to live a “perfect life”, and it is exactly the same as he lived. It is in that ‘SENSE’ Jesus Died for the sins of us and the world, to demonstrate the way to live to have a right relationship with the Father, it is exactly the same as he lived. We must become another Jesus to the Father, by icing our lives “EXACTLY” , THE WAY HE DID.
JESUS did not pay for my sins, I must “repent”, of my sins, and be perfected by the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD, “EXACTLY” AS JESUS WAS. He is the “WAY” to eternal life. He is not eternal life himself, but the “WAY” to eternal life.
scripture says……“we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God” and David said ….”against you “only” have I sinned”. Our sins are against GOD THE FATHER, not against Jesus, and it it GOD THE FATHER himself that must forgive us. AND HE DOES THAT WHEN WE TURN TO HIM IN FAITH, AND HE WILL GIVE US THE POWER TO REPENT OF OUR SINS, THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT,WE BECOME THE SONS OF GOD, AND ARE BEGOTTEN OF HIM.
Our salvation from start to finish is of God the Father, and no other just as Jesus’ salvation was also. Jesus did not pay our sin debit we pay for that , just as it says …..”the soul that sins “IT”, SHALL DIE. Therefore we must be born again in order to have life eternal, just as Scripture and Jesus said.
I do not steal the glory that belongs to GOD the Father “ONLY”. and give it to any man, not even to Jesus. “MY SAVIOR AND JESUS’ SAVIOR IS GOD THE FATHER” , NONE OTHER.
Peace and love to you and yours Berean……..gene
Hi Gene,
You: “EXACTLY” AS JESUS WAS.
He is the “WAY” to eternal life.
ME: A PURE LIE!
You: He is not eternal life himself,
ME: A PURE LIE!
You: but the “WAY” to eternal life.
ME: A PURE LIE!
Me: Gene,
Where did you read such Gospel, please?
IN THE MEANE TIME READ!
The Scripture:
John1:4 In him was life,
and the life was the light of men.
John3:16:For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever
believeth in him,
may not perish,
but may have life everlasting.
John4:14 But the water that I will give him,
shall become in him a fountain of water,
springing up into life everlasting.
John 5:24 Amen, amen I say unto you,
that he who heareth MY WORD,
and believeth him that sent me,
hath life everlasting;
and cometh not into judgment,
but is passed from death to life.
John5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself,
so he hath given the Son also to have
LIFE IN HIMSELF:
John6:35 And Jesus said to them:
I am the bread of life: …
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing.
The words that I have spoken to you,
are spirit and life.
John 11:25 Jesus said to her:
I am the resurrection and the life:
he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live: 26And every one that liveth, and believeth in me, shall not die for ever. Believest thou this?
John14:6 Jesus saith to him:
I am the way,
and the truth,
and the life.
No man cometh to the Father,
but by me.
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh,
that HE MAY GIVE ETERNAL LIFE
to all whom thou hast given him.
1John1:2For the life was manifested;
and we have seen and do bear witness, and declare unto you
the life eternal,
which was with the Father,
and HATH APPEARED to us:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
How about this one
1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul.
The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Carmel…….According to you people, he always was a life giving Spirit, so then why does it say “HE “BCAME”, A life giving Spirit. Seeing you falsely believe he always was?
Trust me Carmel you haven’t a clue what you are saying, you have fallen for the biggest “LIE” ever fostered on humanity. In fact you are a minister of that “LIE” yourself, the “LIE” mentioned in, 2ths2, You have turned the “IMAGE” of the only man “Jesus “, who now sits in the temple of GOD, INTO YOUR GOD and you worship him as such, commuting “IDOLATRY “. You have made the “image” of the “man” Jesus, into “a-man of sin” , by saying he is a God which breakers the First commandment of God, “you shall have “NO OTHER GOD BESIDE ME”.
That’s what is sad to me, SATAN has sold you a package of Lies , and you have taken it hook line and sinker, and you will pay the price, except you REPENT!
peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene
You: “MY SAVIOR AND JESUS’ SAVIOR IS GOD THE FATHER” , NONE OTHER.
Me: And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1 John 4:14Hi Gene,
You: Carmel…….According to you people, he always was a life giving Spirit,
so then why does it say “HE “BCAME”, A life giving Spirit.
Me: First and foremost, You must take into consideration that,
WE ARE REFERRING TO GOD AND HIS SPIRITUAL WORK IN HIS ONLY
BEGOTTEN SON!
GOD IS A PERFECT PARADOX! NO!
AND THIS APPLIES ALSO TO HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON! AS JESUS SAID IN
John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath,
are mine…
Now in order for Jesus to “BECOME” A LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT NOT FOR HIM BUT FOR THE SAKE OF CREATION, ATTENTION PLEASE:
HE MUST FIRST OF ALL EXPERIENCE A STATE NEVER OCCURRED IN RELATION TO GOD WHICH IS DEATH ON THIS MORTAL PLANET, AND IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH,
THROUGH DEATH ITSELF,
HE JUSTIFIED HIMSELF THAT HE IS, even before He suffered, Luke 13:32
GODMAN, John13:31,32, John 17:1
HE HAD TO BE A MAN IN ORDER TO DIE, AND
HE NEVER LACKED THE STATE OF GOD ON HIS DEATH, EVEN WHILE IN HIS TOMB, THUS in one instant, BANG ON HIS DEATH, HE GLORIFIED AND
He was both dead AS MAN “THE WORD” made flesh,
THE SON OF MAN!
and alive AS DIVINE in The Holy Ghost
THE SON OF GOD!
JESUS’FLESH BECACME SPIRIT!
AS IN MY WEAKNESS, MY POWER IS MADE PERFECT.
1Peter 3:18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God,
being put to death indeed in the flesh,
but enlivened in the spirit,
19:In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:
Again: AS GOD, A PERFECT PARADOX!
THUS WITH HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT,
HE SIMPLY RAISED HIMSELF UP!
HE DID IT NOT FOR HIM THOUGH, AS HE WAS ALREADY GLORIFIED
GODMAN!
AND FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING IN GOD’S WORK, IT IS HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE TO ALL HIS WORK EVEN AS FLESH IN “THE WORD” MADE FLESH JESUS.
HE DID IT FOR THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, IN ORDER FOR THE HUMAN RACE TO BECOME SPIRIT AND RETURN BACK TO THE FATHER!
ALL AUTHENTIC BACK TO LIFE ON HIS RESURRECTION
IN HIS EMBODIMENT!
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH!
THE SON OF MAN!
A TASK SATAN TOOK FOR GRANTED THAT COULD NEVER OCCUR!
BY WHICH TASK SATAN WAS ERADICATED ON THE CROSS, THROUGH DEATH, SUPPOSED HIS ASSET!
NOW, JESUS ON HIS RESURRECTION, HUMANITY ALL AUTHENTIC IN HIM
WAS NOT YET PERFECT AS ONLY GOD IS PERFECT!
Well hinted out by Jesus’ own words:
DO NOT TOUCH ME,
FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO (IN THE GLORY OF) MY FATHER…
HENCE; ONE MORE THING REMAINED TO BE FULFILLED, THAT SAME EVENING, AND THAT IS,
THAT THIS SON OF MAN, THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE
ALL AUTHENTIC IN JESUS’ BODY, INTEGRATES WITH
THE HOLY GHOST IN THE GLORY OF JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU
AND BECOMES
ONE GLORIFIED BODY
GOD OF ALL FLESH! Je.32:27
HUMANITY ALL PERFECT CHILDREN OF GOD, TWO IN ONE FLESH IN
JESUS CHRIST.
EVENTUALLY ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD,
GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALL.
THE FATHER IN THE SON AND THE SON IN THE FATHER.
TWO KINGDOMS IN ONE,
THE KINGDOM OF GOD, SPIRITS, AD INTRA, AND
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, FLESH, AD EXTRA ALL IN THE SON,
JESUS CHRIST!
John 10:30 I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!
John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine;
and I am glorified in them.
You: Trust me Carmel you haven’t a clue what you are saying, you have fallen for the biggest “LIE” ever fostered on humanity. In fact you are a minister of that “LIE” yourself, the “LIE” mentioned in, 2ths2, You have turned the “IMAGE” of the only man “Jesus “, who now sits in the temple of GOD, INTO YOUR GOD and you worship him as such, commuting “IDOLATRY “. You have made the “image” of the “man” Jesus, into “a-man of sin” , by saying he is a God which breakers the First commandment of God, “you shall have “NO OTHER GOD BESIDE ME”
ME; JESUS IS NOT JUST GOD, BUT EVEN SUPERIOR TO GOD AS HE IS THE ONLY
GODMAN!
THE MIGHTY GOD ISAIAH 9:6
FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
That’s what is sad to me, SATAN has sold you a package of Lies , and you have taken it hook line and sinker, and you will pay the price, except you REPENT!
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
@ Carmel,
You: “ME; JESUS IS NOT JUST GOD, BUT EVEN SUPERIOR TO GOD AS HE IS THE ONLY
GODMAN!”Jesus is superior to the Almighty God!?!?!!? What heresy to you believe?!?!? No wonder you won’t state your faith!
WOW!!!!
HI Desiretruth,
You: Jesus is superior to
the Almighty God!?!?!!?
Me: JESUS IS NOT JUST
GOD
BUT EVEN SUPERIOR TO GOD
AS HE IS THE ONLY
GODMAN!
THE MIGHTY GOD! ISAIAH 9:6
FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
Philippians 2:8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.
9For which cause God also hath exalted him,
and hath given him a name which is above
ALL NAMES:
10 That in the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: 11And that every tongue should confess
that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up to justice,
and I will direct all his ways:
he shall build MY CITY
WHAT CITY?
GODMAN!
and let go my captives,
WHAT CAPTIVES?
THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ON HIS RESURRECTION!
not for ransom, nor for presents, saith the Lord the God of hosts.
BUT FOR GOD THE FATHER!
14Thus saith the Lord: The labour of Egypt, and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and of Sabaim, men of stature shall come over to thee,
and shall be thine:
they shall walk after thee, they shall go bound with manacles:
and they shall worship thee,
and shall make supplication to thee:
only in thee is God,
and there is no God besides thee.
15Verily thou art a hidden God,
the God of Israel the saviour.
16They are all confounded and ashamed:
the forgers of errors are gone together into confusion.
Colossians 2:2 That their hearts may be comforted, being instructed in charity, and unto all riches of fulness of understanding,
unto the knowledge of the mystery of
God the Father and of Christ Jesus:
Ephesians:3:14 For this cause I bow my knees to
THE FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15Of whom all paternity in heaven and earth is named, 16That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened by his Spirit with might unto the inward man,
17That Christ may dwell by faith in your hearts;
that being rooted and founded in charity,
18You may be able to comprehend,
with all the saints, what is the breadth, and length, and height, and depth:
19To know also the charity of Christ,
WHICH SHALL SURPASSETH ALL KNOWLEDGE,
that you may be filled unto all the
FULNESS OF GOD.
John 7:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine;
and I am glorified in them.
GODMAN JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
@ Carmel,
This is stunning to me, this is the second time you have sited Isa 9:6; did you read what I wrote about that and how it isn’t a reference to Jesus? If you read the chapter beginning in verse 1, how exactly can you come to the conclusion that it’s reference to Jesus? Better yet start in chapter 7 and read to the end of 9 to put the entire context of 9:6 into perspective. Never mind how the tenses where changed from a past tense to a future tense…look up the Hebrew for your confirmation!
No where in scripture is the term “godman” in reference to Jesus; this is your beliefs creation. Stop using it! It’s not a real thing.
“Godman” is a city that will be built?!?! Are you kidding?!?! This is a clear reference to the building of Jerusalem. Those held captive are not the “human race”, they’re the Israelite’s! You do realize they are in captivity when Isaiah wrote this book? Please start in chapter 41 and read through 55 to put all this into perspective (it will fix your understanding of 42 AND 53). Stop cherry picking a verse here and there to support your religion! Context of scripture is important, especially if you are going to start citing old testament. Your religion is a lie, run from it!
Danny Dobbs…..I said….. “MY SAVIOR AND JESUS’ SAVIOR IS GOD THE FATHER” , NONE OTHER.
You said. …Me: And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1 John 4:14me……That’s right, just as Moses was sent by God to save Israel, but who actually saved them was it Moses or God the Father ?
Jesus-was indeed “sent” to be a savior of the world by God the father, by showing us how to have a “right relationship with God the Father, And it is the “exact” same as his is. So in that “sense” he was a savior . Because he demonstrated to all “HOW” TO HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP, SO WE CAN BE SAVED. Get it?
peace and love to you and yours Danny……….gene
Carmel……Interesting how you leave out parts of scriptures that show your corrupt thinking .
here is what scripture actually says…….Phil 2:11……”And that every tongue “should” confess that Jesus Christ is lord, to the “GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER”.NOTICE, it doesn’t say to the glory of Jesus, as you falsely present it, but to the glory of “GOD THE FATHER”
Carmel you have taken ‘the man” Jesus, and say he is your God, and worship him as even Greater them God the Father. You are the exact fulfillment of what the apostle Paul was saying would happen in the church….2ths2. SAD!
Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene
Hi Desiretruth,
First and foremost,
I AM NOT EXPECTING ANYONE WOULD AGREE WITH MY PREACHING.
I AM NOT HERE TO PLEASE MEN IN FLESH AND BLOOD!
BUT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH!
THUS, MY PERSPECTIVES ARE TOTALLY SPIRITUAL!
You: “Godman” is a city that will be built?!?!
Johnn19:30 Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said:
It is consummated.
And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.
CONSUMATED WHAT?
THE NEW JERUSALEM!
THE BRIDE!
GODMEN!!!!
Me: IT IS ALREADY BUILT!
You: Are you kidding?!?!
This is a clear reference to
the building of Jerusalem.
Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered together thy children,
as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings,
and thou wouldest not?
38Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate.
WHICH HOUSE?
THE SOUL!
THE LIFE OF THE BODY: JESUS!
LUCIFER’S SOUL!
THE LOST SHEEP! Isaiah 48:19
John 2:16 And to them that sold doves he said:
Take these things hence,
and make not the house of my Father a house of traffic.
17 And his disciples remembered, that it was written:
The zeal of thy HOUSE hath eaten me up.
WHAT IS JESUS REFERRING TO?
THE SOUL!
WHAT ALL THOSE WHO WERE SELLING IN THE TEMPLE SPIRITUALLY ARE?
DEMONS IN HUMAN’ SOULS!
NOW JESUS ERADICATED SATAN AND HIS DEMONS FROM ALL SOULS, NO MATTER WHAT AND WHO, AND HE BECAME THE SOLE PROPRIETOR IN HUMANS IN FLESH AND BLOOD, SATANIC,
FORGIVE THEM, FATHER, AS THEY NO NOT WHAT THEY DO!
AT LEAST TILL PENTECOST!
PURIFIED BY HIS OWN BLOOD!
Luke 17:20-37
Cont.
Matthew 23:39For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say:
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Answer DT. TO WHOM, SPIRITUALLY, JESUS IS REFERRING?
JERUSALEM SPIRITUALLY IS A REFERENCE TO
THE HUMAN BODY!
THE SON OF MAN!
JESUS’BODY
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH!
GLORIFIED ON THE CROSS ON HIS DEATH!
JESUS’SPIRITUALIZED BODY!
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN
JESUS CHRIST!
GODMAN! John13:31-32, John17:1
1Peter 3:18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust:
that he might offer us to God,
being put to death indeed in the flesh,
but enlivened in the spirit,
THE HUMAN BODY IS THE CITY IN WHICH GOD THE FATHER WOULD BE
ALL IN ALL ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD!
ORIGINALLY JESUS’ PRE-EXISTENCE BEFORE CREATION STARTED AS
SON OF MAN!
THE VERY FIRST EVER JERUSALEM!
THE ONLY PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT OF GOD!
THE ONLY IMAGE AND SHAPE OF GOD!
THE MASTERPIECE OF GOD! Ephesians 2:10
John1:1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
GODMAN!
“THE BEGINNING”
John 8: 25 They said therefore to him:
Who art thou? Jesus said to them:
The beginning,
who also speak unto you.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church,
who is the beginning,
the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he may hold the PRIMACY:
That’s more than enough of JERUSALEM!
You: Those held captive are not the “human race”,
they’re the Israelite’s!
Now to the word:
ISRAEL!
THE ABOVE NAME IS SPIRITUAL GIVEN BY GOD???
JACOB IS NOT ISRAEL AS SUCH!
SPIRITUALLY, ISRAEL IS A REFERENCE TO LUCIFER!
THE LOST SHEEP!
JACOB IS THE BEGINNING OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL!
NOW THE BEGINNING, OF ALL GOD’S BEGINNINGS IS
JESUS!
HENCE, ISRAEL, “Let God Prevail,”
IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS AS A SPIRIT IN JACOB!
Romans 9:13 As it is written:
Jacob I have loved,
but Esau I have hated.
IN ORDER FOR JESUS TO MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY!
JESUS IS THE TRUE ISRAEL!
MORE TO COME!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
You: me……That’s right, just as Moses was sent by God to save Israel, but who actually saved them was it Moses or God the Father?
2 Corinthians 6:5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things,
that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
1Corinthians 10:4And did all eat the same spiritual food, 4And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them,
and the rock was Christ.)
You: Jesus-was indeed “sent” to be a savior of the world by God the father, by showing us how to have a “right relationship with God the Father, And it is the “exact” same as his is. So in that “sense” he was a savior . Because he demonstrated to all “HOW” TO HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP, SO WE CAN BE SAVED. Get it?
The thing is Gene, THAT YOU NEVER GET IT! I MEAN
THE TRUTH!
NO JESUS NO GOD
NO GOD NO JESUS!
John15:5 I am the vine;
you the branches:
he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit:
for without me you can do nothing.
POOR BRANCH!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel , you said
2 Corinthians 6:5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things,
that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
did afterwards destroy them that believed not:1Corinthians 10:4And did all eat the same spiritual food, 4And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them,
and the rock was Christ.)
Carmel. 1 Cor 6:5 doesn’t say that, Jude 1:4 is what you are referring to, Let me quote it all correctly for you ok?
Jude 1:4-5…….”For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation ungodly men, turning the grace of our “GOD” into lasciviousness, and denying the “ONLY” LORD GOD, “and”, the lord Jesus Christ “. Verse 5, I will therefore put you in remembrance, though you once knew this, how that the Lord (GOD) , having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.As far as the rock that followed them in the wilderness goes, it was not “Jesus Christ” But the Christo’s or “anointing spirit”, of God, Not the anointed “man Jesus” as you falsely preach.
peace and love to you and yours Carmel………gene
@ Carmel,
You referenced Isa 43 and say it points to Jesus, the “New Jerusalem”, and the captive human race; this is false. Please read the entire chapter starting in verse 1. What does “anointed one” mean and who is this “anointed one” mentioned? “Anointed one” in Hebrew is “mashiach” and the Greek translates it to “messiah.” So who is this “messiah” in verse 1; it’s King Cyrus who will later give permission to Nehemiah to rebuild the city of Jerusalem and the temple. Isaiah is prophesying future events that will take place for the Jewish people. It has nothing to do with Jesus, a “New Jerusalem”, or the “human race being captive.” So for you to claim verse 13 (a single passage in the chapter) says what you believe it says doesn’t add up when put into context with the rest of the chapter. This is a flagrant misinterpretation of scripture.
Let’s go back to a previous statement, you said Jesus was superior to God. This makes no sense, in Heb 2:7 Jesus is made lower than angels; yet is equal to or now greater than God?!?! Explain how the “son” can ever be greater than the “father”. Use your words to explain it, not a bunch of verses; won’t read them as there are no verses that ever state any son is ever greater than his father – spiritual or otherwise. Give me YOUR explanation.
Israel means “one who struggles with God” a name given to Jacob because he struggled with God and with men and prevailed. Many will claim the one Jacob was wrestling is Jesus and then go on to say Jesus preexisted, this is a false teaching created by man. How do I know, because scripture tells me. Hosea 12:3,4: In the womb he (Jacob) took his brother (Esau) by the heel (Gen 25:26), And in his maturity he contended with God. Yes, he wrestled with the angel and prevailed… This isn’t Jesus, but an angel, a representative of God.
Knowing you view the scripture from a “totally spiritual” perspective makes sense why there is confusion in what you write. You are coming from a “spiritual” perspective and others are understanding the words as they are written. If you only see the “spiritual” as you read and study scripture, you will miss everything that is being conveyed and will be lost in your understanding. Not everything written within scripture has to have a “spiritual” twist to it; most of the time the words mean what the words are saying, no need to read between the lines.
One final thought, what is the difference between a preacher and a teacher? A preacher tells everyone what they know and are the authority on the subject they preach; a teacher freely shares their knowledge so the hearer can be just as knowledgeable – we call it learning.
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