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Hi Jodi,
You: being thus joint heirs of the Spirit of God with Christ Jesus.
Me: Jodi, there are no such
TERMS asjoint heirs of the Spirit of God with Christ Jesus.
In the above, YOU ARE MISGUIDING OTHERS,
You, WITH YOUR TWISTING OF SCRIPTURES, YOUR PERSONAL TACTICS, corruptly declared above that HUMANITY and CHRIST are equal AT ALL TIMES, WHICH FALSELY INDIRECTLY LIKE SAYING THAT JESUS IS NOT A REDEEMER WHILE HUMANITY DIDN’T REQUIRE A REDEEMER.
Now let’s read the appropriate scripture:
Romans 8:15 For you have not received the spirit of bondage again in fear; but you have received
the SPIRIT OF ADOPTION OF SONS, whereby we cry: Abba (Father).
16 For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.
17And if sons, heirs also;
heirs indeed of God,
and joint heirs with Christ:….
Now to your misguiding teaching!
In Romans 8:15 we have received
the SPIRIT OF ADOPTION OF SONS, whereby we cry: Abba (Father).
Jesus neither is an ADOPTED SON NOR HE received the SPIRIT OF ADOPTION, plus, THAT HE NEVER CRIED: ABBA (FATHER)
ONLY once we are Joint heirs with Christ, we are heirs and sons of God,
As only Jesus is both
THE HEIR OF ALL THINGS and
THE SON OF GOD! Well asserted in
Hebrews 1:2 In these days hath spoken to us by HIS SON,
whom he hath appointed HEIR OF ALL THINGS.
by whom also he made the world.
ONLY JESUS CHRIST IS DIRECTLY ONE SPIRIT SUBSTANCE AND DISTINCT WITH GOD THE FATHER, ASSERTED HEREUNDER
John17:1……. Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
20 And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;
21That they all may be one,
as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee;
that they also may be one in us;
that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
22And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them;
that they may be one, as we also are one:
23I in them,
and thou in me;
that they may be made perfect in ONE:
JESUS CHRIST
THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IS ONLY
ONE SUBSTANCE IN CHRIST
Well clear in
Romans 8:1THERE is now therefore no condemnation
to them that are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not according to the flesh.
2For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus,
hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death. 9But you are not in the flesh,
but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
WITHOUT CHRIST HUMANITY IS FUTILE!
John 15:5 I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit:
for without me you can do nothing.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi,
This Son of Man, where God promised to be a Father unto him and give him an eternal kingdom,
Me: THIS SON OF MAN, Jodi, PRE-EXISTED AS SON OF MAN,
John3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven,
but he that descended from heaven,
the Son of man who is in heaven.
Thus He, I repeat PRE-EXISTED as SON OF MAN,
came down from heaven, knowing that His Father promised Him AN ETERNAL KINGDOM, by which kingdom, AT THE VERY END
God WOULD BE ALL IN ALL,
AS THE KING OF THE UNIVERSES FOR ETERNITY! Well asserted hereunder in:
1 Corinthians 15: Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. 23But every one in his own order:
the firstfruits Christ,
then they that are of Christ, who have believed in his coming. 24Afterwards the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God and the Father,
when he shall have brought to nought all principality, and power, and virtue.
25For he must reign,
until he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
26And the enemy death shall be destroyed last:
For he hath put all things under his feet. And whereas he saith, 27All things are put under him;
undoubtedly, he is excepted, who put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then the Son also himself shall be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.
Now answer, Jodi and Gene,
If as you WELL said that
This Son of Man, where God promised to be a Father unto him and give him
an eternal kingdom,
Me: HOW IS IT THAT THIS SUPPOSED ETERNAL KINGDOM PROMISED BY THE FATHER TO HIS SON,
THIS SON OF MAN,
WHO CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
AT THE VERY END IS GIVEN TO GOD, TO BE
ALL IN ALL FOR ETERNITY?
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THIS SON OF MAN THEN, Jodi?
WHERE WOULD THIS SON OF MAN, while God would be all in all,
ENDS UP?
HE DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE OVER HIS SUPPOSED
ETERNAL THRONE NO?
AS ETERNAL KING! AGAIN, OVER HIS SUPPOSED
ETERNAL KINGDOM?
YOU WON’T ANSWER Jodi and Gene,
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT YOUR ANSWER
WOULD ERADICATE ENTIRELY YOUR CORRUPTED BELIEF!
You: is he where ALL THE FULLNESS DWELLS, as ALL THINGS are reconciled to God through him as he is the man who God from the beginning declared would FULFILL ALL OF HIS WILL.
Me: THE FACT THAT THIS SON OF MAN PRE-EXISTED, AS
THE FIRST AND THE BEGINNING BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED AS
THE ONLY EMBODIMENT OF GOD WHERE ALL THE FULLNESS DWELLED.
THE ONLY GENUINE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD!
THE ONLY GENUINE FORM AND SHAPE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD!
WHERE GOD WAS ALL IN ALL IN HIM! Well said by you hereunder:
You: This Son of Man who shed his blood is he who is the image of the invisible God,
he who is a firstborn of a New Creation,
the firstborn of the dead giving him preeminence/
TO BE FIRST.
Me: YES Jodin and Gene,
FIRST OF ALL THE FIRSTS OF
GOD’S ENTIRE SPIRITUAL WORK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING!
I Mean:
“THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, WITHIN ALL THE HEARTS OF ALL CREATURES NO MATTER WHO, HIDDEN AND UNKNOWN AS
THE FIRST MAN,
THE FIRST WOMAN,
THE FIRST, SON, CAIN THROUGH SEX,
THE FIRST SON, ABLE, NOT THROUGH SEX,
THE FIRST WHO WENT AS HUMAN TO HEAVEN, IN ENOCH,
THE FIRST SAVIOUR IN NOAH,
THE FIRST FATHER IN ABRAHAM,
THE FIRST SON OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN ISAAC,
THE FIRST SON OF GOD’S PEOPLE IN JACOB/ISRAEL,
THE FIRST KING OVER ALL ISRAEL IN DAVID,
AND ALL THE REST,
CONFIRMED BY YOU HEREUNDER UNAWARE OF:
You: Without this man nothing would have been made that was made.
Jesus is the first human to inherit God’s Spirit forever more, where he thus walks in all of God’s ways and thus has eternal life and thus is an eternal Son. Our hope is to be joint heirs with him,
to drink of the same cup of the One Spirit that he drinks of.
TELL US Jodi and Gene!
WHO IS THIS SPIRIT?
SCRIPTURE PLEASE:
IN THE MEANTIME READ:
2For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus,
hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death. 9But you are not in the flesh,
but in the spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
John 15:5 I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit:
for without me you can do nothing.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel
You
Hi Jodi,
This Son of Man, where God promised to be a Father unto him and give him an eternal kingdom,
Me: THIS SON OF MAN, Jodi, PRE-EXISTED AS SON OF MAN,
John3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven,
but he that descended from heaven,
the Son of man who is in heaven.
Thus He, I repeat PRE-EXISTED as SON OF MAN,Me
I sincerely believe that you are making a big mistake with this.
Jesus did not pre-exist as the son of man, but as Paul said to the Philippians he was thé Son of God” in FORM of God”
There is a big difference all the same, don’t you think.And what’s next
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him THE FORM of a servant, and WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN:
SO
1). IN FORM OF GOD
2)…IN FORM A HUMAN SERVANT (on earth)
🙏
Jodi……Don’t get to discourage, it just haven’t been given to them to know the truth yet, Even though we have presented it to them clearly, over and over.
remember what Jesus said,…..“no man “CAN”, come to me, except the Father which has sent me “DRAW” him, and l will raise him up at the last day.
Satan has so mislead nearly all of Christendom , just as Paul Said they would in “2Ths2”
We need patient endurance, and hold firm until the end Jodi.
peace and love to you and yours Jodi………Gene
Hi Berean,
You: I sincerely believe that you are making a big mistake with this.
Me: First and foremost, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY AND I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO ASK A DIRECT HONEST QUESTION AS YOU DID FOR A VERY, VERY, LONG TIME SINCE THE MOMENT I STARTED REVEALING GOD’S MYSTERIES, ATTRIBUTED TO
OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER OF ALL HUMANITY IN FLESH AND BLOOD,
JESUS CHRIST,
THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT HE HEARD ME AS JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED HEREUNDER:
John16:13 But when he,
the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth.
For he shall not speak of himself;
but what things soever he shall hear,
he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall show you.
Reflect on the above Berean, THE HOLY GHOST SPEAK NOTHING CONCERNED HIMSELF BUT CONCERNING THE MYSTERIES ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS. Again asserted hereunder:
14He shall glorify me;
because he shall receive of mine,
and shall show it to you.
Now I can tell you beforehand, that since you are the only person who sincerely asked me this type of reply, and specifically asked a direct question regarding THE MYSTERY BEHIND THE TITLE OF
“THE SON OF MAN”
I can see and HONESTLY BELIEVE that the Holy Spirit also is GUIDING ME, in this case by using you in order for HIM TO WORK THROUGH ME, BE CLEAR,
and REVEAL THINGS to you, and to all those who HONESTLY read my posts, IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH.
Thus, GIVE ROOM the Holy Spirit within, and first and foremost in full humility
ASK Him to give you light, plus, perform any charitable act,
ALL FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST.
15All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and show it to you.
You: Jesus did not pre-exist as the son of man, but as Paul said to the Philippians he was thé Son of God” in FORM of God”
There is a big difference all the same, don’t you think.
Me: HELL OF A DIFFERENCE, IN A WAY!
The title SON OF GOD, IS ALSO A HELL OF A DIFFERENCE from the title
THE SON OF MAN!
DON’T YOU THINK?
NOW I WOULD ASK TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS AND FOR NOW, I MUST LEAVE!
WHO IS ETERNAL:
THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, OF THE HOLY GHOST, A SPIRIT, Genesis 1:2 OR
THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, A SPIRIT, John6:63
THE NEXT ONE:
WHO WAS FIRST AS THE GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF GOD, between these two spirits
BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED!
And what’s next
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him THE FORM of a servant, and WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN:
Me: THERE’S A HELL OF A DIFFERENCE ALSO,BETWEEN
THE LIKENESS OF MAN and
THE SON OF MAN! IN GOD’S TERMS THOUGH!
SO
1). IN FORM OF GOD
WHO was in the FORM of God?
the Holy Ghost, A SPIRIT, or “THE WORD” A SPIRIT WHO WAS MADE FLESH!
2)…IN FORM A HUMAN SERVANT (on earth)
WHO EMPTIED HIMSELF?
the Holy Ghost, A SPIRIT, or “THE WORD” A SPIRIT WHO WAS MADE FLESH!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel
You
NOW I WOULD ASK TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS AND FOR NOW, I MUST LEAVE!
WHO IS ETERNAL:
THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, OF THE HOLY GHOST, A SPIRIT, Genesis 1:2 OR
THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, A SPIRIT, John6:63
THE NEXT ONE:
WHO WAS FIRST AS THE GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF GOD, between these two spirits
BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED!
Me
The subject is: Did Jesus pre-exist as the son of man?
my answer remains the same
YOUR QUESTIONS JUST CONFUSE THINGS.ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE SON OF GOD PRE-EXISTED, HE WAS “IN THE FORM OF GOD”
HE WAS GOD, HE WAS WITH THE GOD (THE FATHER) AND ALL THINGS WERE MADE THROUGH HIM.
AND HE WAS MADE FLESH….🙏
Hi Berean,
YOUR QUESTIONS JUST CONFUSE THINGS.
ME: Let’s see.
WHO IS ETERNAL:
THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, OF THE HOLY GHOST, A SPIRIT, Genesis 1:2 OR
THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, A SPIRIT, John6:63
THE SON OF GOD AND THE SON OF MAN ARE TWO SEPARATE SPIRITS.
BUT THEY ARE BOTH JESUS’!
YOU IN FLESH and YOUR SOUL ARE BOTH YOU, A HUMAN BEING!
“BEREAN”
BUT ORIGINALLY AT ONE STAGE, TWO SEPARATE SPIRITS.
THE SON OF GOD, IS JESUS’DIVINE NATURE, OF THE HOLY GHOST, A SPIRIT, ETERNAL, PRE-EXISTED, while
THE SON OF MAN, IS JESUS’HUMAN NATURE, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD THE FATHER, ALSO A SPIRIT, NOT ETERNAL, IN A WAY, IT HAD TO BE SPOKEN FIRST, IN ORDER TO EXIST AS SUCH,
BUT STILL PRE-EXISTED, AND HAD A BEGINNING,
PRECISELY, AS SOON AS GOD PRONOUNCED “THE WORD” FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME:
“LET THERE BE LIGHT”
IN THE VERY BEGINNING John 1:1, Genesis 1:1
THE NEXT ONE:
WHO WAS FIRST AS THE GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF GOD, between these two spirits
BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED?
THIS IS QUITE EASY NOW:
THE SON OF GOD AS A SPIRIT, WAS NOT THE GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF GOD! GOD IS A SPIRIT, NOT PHYSICAL, AND THE SON OF GOD IS ALSO A SPIRIT, NOT PHYSICAL, ETERNAL ONE SUBSTANCE WITH GOD AND DISTINCT.
THUS, AS THE FIRST GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF GOD, TO BE CLEAR:
THE FIRST-EVER EMBODIMENT OF GOD,
THE FIRST-EVER CARRIER OF GOD,
BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED WAS DEFINITELY,
“THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD! IN THE VERY BEGINNING John 1:1
THE SON OF MAN!
THE PHYSICAL SIDE OF THE ENTIRE CREATION! ALL IN/BY HIM! Genesis 1:1
John1:1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
You: The subject is: Did Jesus pre-exist as the son of man?
my answer remains the same
Me: MY ANSWER ALSO REMAINS THE SAME, BUT MORE SPECIFIED!
THE SON OF MAN, PRE-EXISTED AS SOON AS
“THE WORD” OF GOD WAS PRONOUNCED AND
“THE WORD” WAS MADE FLESH/PHYSICAL
THE FIRST-EVER EMBODIMENT OF GOD, THE FIRST-EVER CARRIER OF GOD. before anything was ever created. John17:5
John3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven,
but he that descended from heaven,
the Son of man who is in heaven.
Thus Jesus, I repeat PRE-EXISTED as SON OF MAN,
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
WHO IS ETERNAL:
THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, OF THE HOLY GHOST, A SPIRIT, Genesis 1:2 OR
THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, A SPIRIT, John6:63
THE NEXT ONE:
WHO WAS FIRST AS THE GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF GOD, between these two spirits
BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED!
Jesus Christ was begotten.
The Father was not begotten.
He is not the begotten Father.
Hi Jodi and Gene,
Me: Answer,
If as you, Jodi WELL said that
This Son of Man, where God promised to be a Father unto him and give him
an eternal kingdom,
HOW IS IT THAT THIS SUPPOSED ETERNAL KINGDOM PROMISED BY THE FATHER TO HIS SON,
THIS SON OF MAN,
WHO CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, John 3:13
AT THE VERY END IS GIVEN TO GOD, TO BE
ALL IN ALL FOR ETERNITY?
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THIS SON OF MAN THEN, Jodi?
WHERE WOULD THIS SON OF MAN, while God would be all in all,
ENDS UP?
HE DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE OVER HIS SUPPOSED
ETERNAL THRONE NO?
AS ETERNAL KING! AGAIN, OVER HIS SUPPOSED
ETERNAL KINGDOM?
YOU WON’T ANSWER Jodi and Gene,
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT YOUR ANSWER
WOULD ERADICATE ENTIRELY YOUR CORRUPTED BELIEF!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Proclaimer,
Me: WHO IS ETERNAL:
THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, OF THE HOLY GHOST, A SPIRIT, Genesis 1:2 OR
THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, A SPIRIT, John6:63
THE NEXT ONE:
WHO WAS FIRST AS THE GENUINE PHYSICAL IMAGE OF GOD, between these two spirits
BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED!
You: Jesus Christ was begotten.
The Father was not begotten.
He is not the begotten Father.
In my Question above I never referred to the Father!
So, how did you ask the above question?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…….There is no sound teaching in you, you have been deceived for so long and trying to change what our Bible text says, so long , I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone so screwed up as you are. It may be because you actually believe you have the Spirit of truth “in” you , but no one with the “Spirit of truth”, in them could say the things you are telling us. Satan has fooled you, into thinking your being guided by the Spirit of truth, when in fact you are simply doing his work of confusion and deception for him. I really feel sorry for you Carmel.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………..gene
Hi Berean,
YOU:
For by REASON OF
If You wrote it on Google traduction
In greek You have
ΓΙΑ ΛΟΓΟ ΤΟΥ
GIA LOGO TOUME:
Thanks for the info, but by REASON OF is still different from that of, by MEANS OF.
By REASON of directly supports clear given scriptures. By Means of creates contradiction and confusion, it produces a lie as it’s against other clear passages. Our heavenly Father by Himself through His power and wisdom UTTERS HIS VOICE and by such all things are created even thrones and dominions and He does it BY REASON OF and FOR the Son of Man who was promised to be made into God’s Son, promised to be settled into God’s House, promised to be exalted to God’s right hand and promised to receive an eternal throne ruling over all of the new heaven and earth.
Jeremiah 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. 11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. 12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. 14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isaiah 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Berean, to turn and says that the human promised to inherit all things being appointed to then rule over it being LED by the Creators Spirit, was actually a pre-existing god who actually uttered his voice to create all things, is pure foolishness, it’s a direct lie against the CLEAR given word of God.
YHVH our heavenly Father created earth Himself through the utterance of His voice and He did it FOR the purpose that it be inhabited and His promise is that a Son of Man will rule over it all through being LED by His Spirit and those that are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
You ignore clear scriptures and don’t apply them to other passages and by such you make false claims of what those passages teach us.
Hi Jodi
John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.
🙏
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel…….There is no sound teaching in you, you have been deceived for so long and trying to change what our Bible text says, so long , I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone so screwed up as you are. It may be because you actually believe you have the Spirit of truth “in” you , but no one with the “Spirit of truth”, in them could say the things you are telling us. Satan has fooled you, into thinking your being guided by the Spirit of truth, when in fact you are simply doing his work of confusion and deception for him. I really feel sorry for you Carmel.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………..gene
Me: The above is your full post.
Now instead of all your normal BLAH, BLAH, and BLAHS, WHY DON’T YOU BE SPECIFIC and justify yourself? With your post above you only confirmed that,
EITHER you are not capable to contradict me specifically,
OBVIOUSLY through scriptures, or that what I posted not only is definitely not within your understanding, but through PRIDE, you are not ready to even ask a mere question, and for a reason or another, SIMPLY PREOCCUPIED that you might end up being ridiculed.
You: Satan has fooled you, into thinking your being guided by the Spirit of truth, when in fact you are simply doing his work of confusion and deception for him. I really feel sorry for you Carmel.
ME: DON’T FEEL SORRY FOR ME AT ALL Gene,
JUST PROVE AND JUSTIFY WHAT YOU’RE SAYING THAT’S ALL.
IN THE MEANTIME,
AS I ALWAYS SAY
MINE STANDS!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
WOW!!!!
This debate concerning who the “word” is in John 1:1 has been going on for almost 20 years, almost 24,000 comments, and still no agreement of who or what the “word” is! We have this side pitted against that side, with both sides claiming they are correct. This is insane! It’s like we have traveled back in time to 325AD and are sitting at the Council of Nicea! Stunning to say the least!
Late to join in, but this topic (among others) has caused me to dig deeper than I ever expected and has turned my thinking upside down. Hopefully I can share some of what I have discovered on this journey and get some feedback as we grow.
I had some questions that started me on this journey: can anyone explain why John would call Jesus the “word” verses using his name directly? Why would John be so “cryptic” in the opening of the book; yet, use plain language in the rest? Is it possible there is a misunderstanding of what John was trying to convey? Would the first century church have had the same understanding we have today?
DesireTruth
Yes 20 years. Multiply that by 100 and you have 2000 years and that is how long people have been debating this subject.
I was here in this forum 20 years ago, but many have left and many have joined in this conversation over the years.
I had some questions that started me on this journey: can anyone explain why John would call Jesus the “word” verses using his name directly? Why would John be so “cryptic” in the opening of the book; yet, use plain language in the rest?
Because it is a revelation.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant.
Revelations are light and the light gets brighter.
Hi, Desire Truth,
You: I had some questions that started me on this journey: can anyone explain why John would call Jesus the “word” verses using his name directly? Why would John be so “cryptic” in the opening of the book; yet, use plain language in the rest?
Me: To me John is not that cryptic at all, for the simple reason that John, was AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL. I mean John made it clear that the “THE WORD” of God was the very first ever act by God in the very first ever beginning AD INTRA, when He pronounced it and said:
“LET THERE BE LIGHT”
Honestly speaking the above words were pronounced by GOD’S LOVE,
the Holy Spirit, the VOICE OF GOD. THUS:
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD….
GOD HAS NO BEGINNING, but in that very instant He had a BEGINNING, HIDDEN IN HIS OWN “WORD”, ALSO A SPIRIT, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, THE EVENTUAL AND ETERNAL ABODE OF GOD AD EXTRA IN ORDER FOR GOD TO CREATE ALL BY “THE WORD”
Now at that precise moment in time, the entire INFINITE EXISTENCE then in pitch darkness God’s abode throughout, was LIT, “THE BIG BANG”!
“THE WORD” of God, AS I SAID ABOVE, A SPIRIT, the Son of Man to be, mysteriously was hidden within all the endless spirits EMANATED from God as the LIGHT and ETERNAL LIFE, precisely within the hearts of all these endless spirits, by which spirits as a substance, God hidden within and through “THE WORD” His genuine abode AD EXTRA created and creates the entire eventual creatures. Now “THE WORD” hidden within the hearts of these spirits was both the only direct communication and mediator, between God and His creatures.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual, and more piercing than any two edged sword; and
reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit,
of the joints also and the marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of THE HEART.
In the above, it is evidently clear that the HEART, is the eternal abode of “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, plus that HE IS ALSO THE MEDIATOR/SPIRIT BY THE WORDS ABOVE:
reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit,
of the joints also and the marrow,
James 1:21 Wherefore casting away all uncleanness, and abundance of naughtiness,
with meekness receive the engrafted WORD, which is able to save your souls.
…the ENRAFTED “WORD” PRECISELY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IN John 1:1
John14:23 Jesus answered, and said to him:
If any one love me, he will keep MY WORD,
and my Father will love him, and WE will come to him, and will make our abode with him.
24He that loveth me not, keepeth not my WORDS.
And THE WORD which you have heard, is not mine;
but the Father’s who sent me.
OBVIOUSLY IN THE ABOVE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT
HE IS THE WORD SPOKEN OF GOD!
John12:47 And if any man hear my words, and keep them not, I do not judge him: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48He that despiseth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him;
THE WORD that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Again in the above, Jesus confirmed that
HE IS “THE WORD” spoken of God and
HE WILL JUDGE THOSE WHO RECEIVE NOT AND DESPISE HIS WORDS.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Desire truth………Simple, you need to just believe what Jesus told us and you have your answer, Jesus said (not me)…..“the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY WORDS, but the words of him who sent me”. Simple as that, those that believe Jesus know by Jesus’ own words, he, “himelf” is not the words of God himself, he was quoting as a “MEDIATOR”,would to us, the words of God. He never took the position of actually himself being the word of God himself.
False religion has changed the text to try to make it appear as though the word, “word” was a individual person, by Captializing it. Remember what Jesus said ,(not me),…. “Father this is eternal life , that they might come to know “you” the “ONLY” TRUE GOD”, and Jesus Christ who you have sent.”
God and his word are one and the same person, just as you and your words are one and the same person, no one else can be your word, neither , nor can be GOD the Father’s words either, but we can “quote” someone’s words, just as Jesus and the prophets did God the Father’s words to us. Just as scripture says, (not me),……“God who spoke to us at Sunday time through the prophets has in these last day spoke to us through a Son” NONE of that says that the prophets, nor the Son was actually GOD the FATHER’S word themselves, but that they spoke “HIS” word to us. Just that simple.
Peace and love to you and your Desire truth……….gene
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