JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[Berean]

Gene

In The PSALM 24:7-10

THIS IS NOT About GOD BUT The SON OF GOD

Hebrew Transliterated
24:10 MY HV’a ZH MLK HKBVD YHVH TShB’aVTh HV’a MLK HKBVD SLH.

Darby’s English Translation
24:10 Who is he, this King of glory? Jehovah of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

 

 

[carmel]

 

Hi Gene,

YOU: Carmel……David answered your question ,  THE LORD  “YAHOVAH ”  his God and our God , delivered him, just as he delivered him from the lion and the bear. 

Gene, I’m afraid you simply ignored both my post and my question!

My question was

WHO KILLED GOLIATH? Now with the same argument:

HERE ANOTHER QUESTION THEN:

WHO KILLED ABEL?

CAIN, 

SATAN, OR

GOD!

Nothing absolutely nothing could be fulfilled without God’s will who is the overall ruler of the entire creation and its processes!

The Father was not involved in my question, it is between

Soul and David in relation to your mentality regarding

more or less an identical task

Between the Father and the Son!

ONE GOD! 

ONE SUBSTANCE! Hebrews 1:3

GET THIS INTO YOUR MIND FOR GOD’S SAKE AND TRUTH!

THERE IS NO TASK ACHIEVED BY GOD THE FATHER IN THE PROCESS OF CREATION  THROUGHOUT

IF NOT IN ONE HARMONY WITH HIS SON!

NO FATHER NO JESUS, NO JESUS NO FATHER!

Gene, JESUS PURPOSELY DIED AND GAVE HUMANITY HIS OWN DEAD BODY

ON HIS RESURRECTION!

EAT this is MY FLESH which is

GIVEN for YOU!

THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO BE IN FLESH NEVER MIND DIE AND GIVE HIS FLESH TO HUMANITY, FROM THE OTHER HAND

THE FATHER FURNISHED JESUS’FLESH,  AS JESUS, LIKE THE FATHER, WAS A SPIRIT IN THE BOSOM OF

THE FATHER HIS OWN

“WORD”

Now read the scripture hereunder and

ACCEPT THE TRUTH!

Isaiah 45:14

Thus saith the Lord: ( JEHOVAH)

The labour of Egypt, and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and of Sabaim, men of stature

shall come over to thee, and shall be thine:

they shall walk after thee, they shall go bound with manacles:

and they shall worship thee,

and shall make supplication to thee:

only in thee is God, and there is no God besides thee.

15Verily thou art a hidden God,

the God of Israel

THE SAVIOUR.(JESUS)

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

YOU: Berean……Yes it is God almighty, the “only” true God,  according to the “man” Jesus.

Gene, answer

WHY GOD THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO PROCLAIM HIMSELF

throughout scripture

AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD???

WHY GOD THE FATHER SIMPLY RELIED on

A MERE MAN JESUS???

THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH 1John5:20

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[Lightenup]

@Proclaimer

Welcome back, I hope you had a nice break.

I’m pasting an unanswered post of mine to you, asked originally on January 9th or thereabouts.

Hebrews 1

O Lord,

You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11They will perish, but You remain;

they will all wear out like a garment.

12You will roll them up like a robe;

like a garment they will be changed;

but You remain the same,

and Your years will never end.”

This OT passage gives further witness to that here:

Compare with Psalm 102

24I say, “O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years are throughout all generations.

25“Of old You founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

26“Even they will perish, but You endure;
And all of them will wear out like a garment;
Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.

27“But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.

PC, who is the Father identifying as the YHVH who founded the earth and the heavens are the work of His hands?

LU

[Lightenup]

@Berean

You said:

Conclusion

FATHER AND SON SHARE THE SAME DIVINE NAME : YHVH

Yeshua Hamashiach IS THE DIVINO/HUMAN NAME OF THE SON OF GOD.

THIS IS THAT I BELEIVE

Amen and glory to YHVH, I agree with your conclusion! Btw, thanks for the peaceful music.

LU

[Lightenup]

@Danny Dabbs

Do you agree with Berean’s conclusion here (see his long post on this page):

Conclusion

FATHER AND SON SHARE THE SAME DIVINE NAME : YHVH

Yeshua Hamashiach IS THE DIVINO/HUMAN NAME OF THE SON OF GOD.

THIS IS THAT I BELEIVE

[carmel]

He Gene,

YOU: Danny , seeing it was God the Father who sent him,  So who is the “TRUE” SAVIOR OF THE WORLD? 

It was “God” the Father who sent Jesus, Jesus never sent himself did he?

Gene, according to your own words, which proceed from your heart are full of

fire for the truth!

Here comes pure truth for you, always in relation to what truth means for you, with every respect read:

John16:6 But because I have spoken these things to you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7But I tell you the truth:

it is expedient to you that I go:

for if I go not,

the Paraclete will not come to you;

but if I go,

I will send him to you.

OK Gene, as clear as crystal:

NOT THE FATHER SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT, PARACLETE, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH and so on. But

JESUS CHRIST

GODMAN ON EARTH!

THE SUPREME RULER OVER ALL AND THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT!

The fact that Jesus Christ SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT ON EARTH!

NOW READ THIS SCRIPTURE AND ANSWER PLEASE

FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH:

Acts 5:3 But Peter said: Ananias, why hath Satan tempted thy heart,

that thou shouldst lie to the Holy Ghost,…….

 Thou hast not lied to men,

but to God.

And Ananias hearing these words,

fell down, and gave up the ghost.

And there came great fear upon all that heard it. 

As clear as crystal Gene,

Jesus sent the Holy Ghost!!!

WHO KILLED ANANIAS!

GOD IN JESUS CHRIST?

GOD IN THE HOLY GHOST? OR

GOD IN THE FATHER?

Now to make you aware read who in actual fact is

THE TRUE GOD up to the day of the Lord

John16:8 And when he is come, he will convince the world

of sin, and

of justice, and

of judgment.

 9Of sin: because they believed not in me. (GODMAN ON EARTH)

10And of justice: because I go to the Father;

and you shall see me no longer.

11And of judgment: because the prince of this world is

already judged.

(NOT THE GOD OF THE WORLD)

12 I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth.

For he shall not speak of himself;

but what things soever he shall hear, (Anania’s case)he shall speak;( TO PETER) and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.(Anania’s death)

14He shall glorify me;

because he shall receive of mine,

(Christ’s power  THE TRUE GODMAN ON EARTH in Anania’s DEATH)

and shall shew it to you.

15All things whatsoever the Father hath,

are mine.

(IN RELATION TO HUMANITY)

Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and shew it to you.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel……God is “HOLY”.   AND HE “IS” Spirit,  according to Jesus.  The Spirit of truth is from God the Father, this Spirit of truth was given Jesus, through his anointing he received at the Jordan river. The Spirit of truth is one way God is in “ALL AND THROUGH ALL.” ,  The reason Ananias fell down dead was because he had the spirit of truth “in” him and know he lied against it.  Did not Jesus say blasphemy against would not be forgiven men, not now or in the future. 

you problem is you don’t understand what a Spirit is , in my opinion. Spirits can dwell “in” human flesh, both clean and unclean can. Just as Jesus explained about the unclean spirit .

A Spirit is simply put “a SPIRIT gives us it’s cognitive awareness. The spirit of truth gives us the ability to “PERCEIVE” THE TRUTH,  WHEN WE HEAR IT.  Therefore a person that has it can not be deceived by liars and those who preach false things.

There are SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD,  THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS ONE OF THEM , called the “EARNEST” of God given unto those he has chosen.

Those of the Spirit of truth , know those who are also of the spirit because they recognize it when they hear it.
if everyone here had it we would all be in agreement here. Saying the same things, that how I know you are not of the truth Carmel, because you are not believing what Jesus said , nor are you retaining it. “For the Spirit shall bring into you memory “all” the things I have told you.  Not just some verses here and there , that can be manipulated  to say something they do not actually mean and go against the truth of God.
Why do you think there are thousands of churches preaching different things,  Do you think they are all lead by the Spirit of Truth,  no they aren’t, because nearly all Christianity has fallen away from the simplicity that is in Christ, and has come up with all kinds of false teachings, mixing up the truth with all kind of Carnal  and pagan reasonings, turning The Man Jesus into their God , which breakers the very first and most important commandment of God there is. According to Jesus , that is if you “TRULY” believe him and his GOD.

peace and love to you and yours…………gene

 

[Berean]

Gene

There are dozens of people on this forum who have shown you who Jesus really is. If you really had the spirit of truth, you would have received what is THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS BUT IT IS NOT THE CASE.

[Danny Dabbs]

@Lightenup

Do you agree with Berean’s conclusion here (see his long post on this page):
Conclusion
FATHER AND SON SHARE THE SAME DIVINE NAME : YHVH
Yeshua Hamashiach IS THE DIVINO/HUMAN NAME OF THE SON OF GOD.
THIS IS THAT I BELEIVE

Yes, I believe that the Father and the Son share the same divine name YHVH
And I personally believe that this name is: YAHWEH.

Yes, I believe that Yeshua Hamashiach is the divine/human name of the Son of God.

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

First and foremost:

Thank you for the lesson regarding the spirit???

YOU: Danny ,

seeing it was God the Father who sent him,

 So who is the “TRUE” SAVIOR OF THE WORLD? 

It was “God” the Father who sent Jesus, Jesus never sent himself did he?

Gene your long post is not only useless but it doesn’t make sense, in relation to

the question I asked you.

Your argument is

The Father sent Jesus so

the Father is our saviour 

Read again Gene

John16:7 But I tell you the truth:

it is expedient to you that I go:

for if I go not,

the Paraclete will not come to you;

but if I go,

I will send him to you.

In the above case

Jesus sent the Holy Ghost!!!

Now read hereunder:

Acts 5:3 But Peter said: Ananias, why hath Satan tempted thy heart,

that thou shouldst lie to the Holy Ghost,…….

 Thou hast not lied to men,

but to God.

And Ananias hearing these words,

fell down, and gave up the ghost.

And there came great fear upon all that heard it.

Now IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN THE TRUH, answer Gene please:

ACCORDING TO YOU:

WHO KILLED ANANIAS!

 

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel…..God the Father who is Spirit took the spirit of life from him, For lying against the Spirit of truth. Simple as that. He and his wife know exactly that they were not telling the truth, so God took the Spirit of life from them and they died.

The reason people like you and others here don’t fall over dead also, is because your blind to the truth and don’t know it ,  being in deception, is not the same as lying to the Spirit. You are in error also but don’t truthfully know it, “yet”.

When you do  come to know it, your judgement will be different, because all the world will come to know that God the Father, is the “ONLY” “TRUE ” GOD” , JUST LIKE JESUS SAID HE WAS.  Did not God himself say ,  they shall “all” know of me, from the least to the greatest?
Carmel if you were of the truth you would simply believe what Jesus plainly said, and not try to change what he said to meet your churches false teachings. Jesus is not God the Father or any other God, he is exactly as he said he is and was over 80 times , he is a “A SON OF MAN”  , he is not a mangod of any kind.  The doctrine of the ” TRINITY” is nothing but a false teaching, that false unaware teachers like yourself and others teach. 

If you were of the truth then you would suffer the same fate as Ananias and his wife suffered, because you would know your not speaking the truth,  and great fear would fall on every one here who believes and teaches  as you do also.

repent CARMEL, while you can. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………gene

 

[Ed J]

Yes, I believe that the Father and the Son share the same divine name YHVH

Hi Danny,

Funny how right after I show you that isn’t the case,
you go right on repeating it as if it is true.

Odd really ???

[GeneBalthrop]

Danny,  God the Father “does not”  share the same name as Jesus.  They are two different beings, one is named YAHOVAH  our GOD,  the other is the son , Jesus the human anointed one, who has “many ” brothers. 
Are you and your Father the same person?  Trying to make Jesus have the same name and be the same person as God the Father is simply false teachings of the apostate churches .  Changing the “image” of Jesus into a God, is exactly what Paul was talking about in 2Ths 2 .  

peace and love to you and yours……….gene

[Berean]

To all,

When we want to study a deep problem, we
let’s focus our minds on what’s never been more wonderful
on earth or in heaven: the incarnation of the Son of God. God gave
his Son so that He would die an ignominious and shameful death for
sinful human beings. He who was the Commander of the courts
heavenly, took off His kingly mantle and crown, to put on His
deity of mankind and come to this world to be the head of
human race as a Model Man. He humbled Himself for
suffer with the human race, to be afflicted with all its
tribulations.
… The Son of God came willingly to carry out the work of
atonement. No binding yoke rested on Him, for He was
independent and above all law.
The angels, as intelligent messengers of God, were
under the yoke of obligation; no sacrifice of their person could
make atonement for fallen man. Only Christ was free from
requirements of the law to undertake the redemption of the race
sinful. He had the power to lay down His life to take it back.
“Existing in the form of God, [He] did not regard as a prey to
to tear away from being equal with God ”(Philippians 2: 6).

Christ entered the world as a destroyer of
Satan and Redeemer of the captives held under his power. He wanted,
by a victorious life, leave an example to follow so that the man
triumph over Satan’s temptations. Christ changed his face from his
entry into the wilderness of temptation … the weight of the sins of the world
weighed on her soul, her face expressed unspeakable pain, a
intense anguish, such as no human has ever felt. The
wave of doom that had swept over the world oppressed him. He mesured
the strength of the raging appetite and impure passions that dominated the
world, which had brought on man inexpressible suffering …
Since man could not, by human force, resist
to the mighty temptations of Satan, Jesus offered himself willingly to
undertake this work, assuming the burden of man, and
to defeat the power of appetite in its place.

[Danny Dabbs]

I’m asking you all to please hear me out.

There is a freemasonic antichristian conspiracy even in the church.
The freemasons want to destroy the church with their Y teachings.
They know that we need BOTH the Father and His Son for salvation. John 17:3!!!
So they have found ways to separate them.
For example they love to attack the only true biblical Father of Jesus Christ.
Making Him bad and they are telling us that there are two different Gods in the Bible.
But Jesus without His only true biblical Father can’t save.
There is only ONE Father of Jesus Christ in the Bible.
There is no this side is white and the other dark.
Or this side is dark and the other white.
Both are freemasonic misleading tactics.
I hope anyone will understand.
Everything is fine with the Bible.
The key is to understand that the Bible is the Word of God.
So there are no issues at all. It’s really that simple.
Remember everything is fine with the Bible.

My love to all of you in Christ Jesus. Amen.

Danny

[Lightenup]

Hi Danny Dabbs, I have continually heard strange things about the Freemasons. I am not at all surprised by what you say about them.

The Father and Son are both wonderful and loving and I think of them as perfectly united and interdependent on each other together with their Holy Spirit.

Interdependence does not show weakness but instead brings a sense of wisdom and synergy to their relationship, imo.

God bless, LU

[Lightenup]

Berean,

You said:

Since man could not, by human force, resist
to the mighty temptations of Satan, Jesus offered himself willingly to
undertake this work, assuming the burden of man, and
to defeat the power of appetite in its place.

I’m so thankful that Jesus emptied himself of the glory that he had before he was brought forth into the womb of Mary and clothed in human flesh, to come down to earth and live perfectly in our place in order to redeem us back to God. Jesus is so wonderful, the Father is so loving, and their spirit is so comforting.

Blessings, LU

[Lightenup]

Gene,

Jesus didn’t say that he wasn’t good. In fact, he basically said that he was so good that one should sell all their posessions and follow HIM as he leads them to eternal life.

I want to follow Jesus like that.

Blessings, LU

[Berean]

Amen LU 

 

 

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