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Carmel,
Jesus did pre-exist his flesh as a spirit without flesh, and was and is and always will be part of the oneness of YHVH whether begotten or pre-begotten. The begetting does not change the oneness of YHVH which the Father and Son both belong.
God bless,
LU
Hi To all
The two main reasons why God begot an Only Begotten Son in the days of eternity are:
1) exemplarity in the Father / Son relationship in the eyes of the angels (loving submission of the Son)
2) The free will of beings that God has always wanted to create
If God had wished to create beings without free will, like robots programmed for automatic obedience, HE WOULD NOT NEED SONS LIKE HIS EQUAL, NOR THEREFORE SHOW AN EXAMPLE TO ANYBODY, SINCE ALL WOULD AUTOMATICALLY OBEY CONTINUOUSLY .
SIN WOULD NEVER EXIST ….THINKING
Hi Danny,
I was wondering the same thing. I assume, since PC hasn’t been posting for a while, he hasn’t been spending time on HN to delete the spammers. It is eye opening how many there are that he must have to deal with regularly.
Hi Berean,
It is interesting to speculate. I don’t think that scripture directly says what you speculate though. I’m not saying that “brainstorming” is wrong but posting it as truth is misleading. Agree?
LU
Hi LU,
YOU:Carmel,
Jesus did pre-exist his flesh as a spirit without flesh,
ME: Jesus did pre-exit AD INTRA in the oneness of God eternally as a spirit before
THE BEGINNING! Then
Jesus did pre-exist both as spirit
in the same eternal state AD INTRA in the oneness of God,
and AD EXTRA as
THE BEGINNING in
Jesus Christ in the glorified flesh with the Father.
John 1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
To be clear in the glorified
FLESH and oneness of God as He is now on the right hand of the Father,
Anticipated purposely on earth and
manifested on MOUNT TABOR!
GODMAN
THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD. I repeat
THE BEGINNING.But not yet of creation!
Which in actual fact, in reality, it was not a beginning at all, since God is eternal!
It was a manifestation ONLY of God and for God as THE LIGHT!
John 17:5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself,
with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.
Precisely as the embodiment of the deity in FLESH in heaven. NOT YET REVEALED IN THE HEAVENLY REALMS.
Thus Jesus in the above simply asked the Father, that for the sake of truth, and manifestation of the Deity in Him,
On His death,
the reason that He came on earth, the Father glorifies
His Son as
The full deity in FLESH ON EARTH!
Despite all satanic!
The fact that Jesus overcame the entire corrupted process of the world.
Colossians 1:9For in him dwelleth (eternally) all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally;
YOU: The begetting does not change the oneness of YHVH which the Father and Son both belong.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/
Definition of begotten
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent!
ME: Jesus was never brought into existence since He was
ETERNALLY IN THE ONENESS OF THE DEITY!
John3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven,
the Son of man
who is in heaven.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Berean,
For starters:
Where does this come from in the scriptures:
The two main reasons why God begot an Only Begotten Son in the days of eternity are:
Carmel:
I know that you don’t believe that Jesus did not exist before He was begotten from the dead. Obviously, begotten in Acts 13:33 did not mean that Jesus was non-existent before begotten on the day of the resurrection, for instance. Your Merriam-Webster definition is not the Biblical definition. The MW definition is from a word that didn’t exist until the 14th century.
Biblical definition of begotten:
https://biblehub.com/greek/1080.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/13-33.htm
Acts 13:33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.’
Hi Berean,
LU believes that Jesus is Yahweh in identity.
Not that Jesus only shares the name of Yahweh His Father.
Do you agree with her?Hi Danny
I beleive That the Son of God HAVE THE NAME OF HIS FATHER : YHVH
HE IS NOT GOD IN PERSONNALITY OR IDENTITY BUT IN INFINITY OR NATURE
Blessings
Hi Berean and Danny,
Get your facts straight: (can you even tell truth when you see it?)
Jesus Shares only *PART* of God’s name, not his whole name.
The bible says to “Prove all things”, here is proof (Prov 30:4-6):Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered
the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?(A)what is his name, and
(B)what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 (C)Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”A) God’s Name is: YeHoVaH
B) God’s Son’s name is: YA-shu-a
C) Do not LIE by adding to his words!Except his reproof!
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God bless
Ed JActually, the answers to A & B when Proverbs 30 was written are YHVH to both. I don’t believe the Old Testament mentions the name Yashua for the Son.
Berean,
I looked at the whole, you asked for specifics.
You started your post which was written as a statement of fact and I think it was not a fact that can be supported by scripture. That is why I started with the first line.Are there really those two main reasons that the Son was begotten? Only two, and no others AND where are they listed in scripture?
I’m not saying they aren’t possible reasons but I don’t know where to find scriptures to support them. Maybe you can enlighten us.
LU
To all…..if we are going apply our own reasoning to the scriptures we must apply it against “all” scriptures addressing our points, not just pick and choose . For instance, If we say JESUS IS GOD , then we need to see a scripture that says “just that”, not take a scripture and try to force the text to say something that it doesn’t specifically say. That is why I post so many scriptures “word for word”, that says the opposite . But you people just “ignore them”, and go on as if they were not even in your bibles. Your not dealing with those scriptures that could readjust your thinking, why is that?.
By the way what Edj, said about the word for our God being pronounced as “Yehovah” is the latest finding and seems to be the most accurate. A Jewish scholar has found that there is the vowel “y” in the Hebrew text, he has found over 2000 places that prove it, according to him.
As far a the word for Jesus, it is the same word for Joshua, because there is an error written in our text , where it say if Jesus would have given them rest, speaking about ancient Israel , it wasn’t Jesus being referred to there it was Joshua the son of Nun. “Yashua” seems to be the proper wording for them both.
peace and love to you all and yours………gene
I’m not saying they aren’t possible reasons but I don’t know where to find scriptures to support them. Maybe you can enlighten us.
Hi LU
You are right not to swallow things like that without a biblical basis …
My reflection is especially on the fact that God created humanity endowed with free will and that He could have done it without the collaboration of his Son.
But the question is that if He had chosen this option (without the Son for creation and redemption) what would He have done to come and save mankind …
Let us admit that He “became flesh” which would have been his guide, his comfort, his support, …. his light, his strength to keep him from the deductions of Satan during his earthly pilgrimage ????Hi Berean and Danny,
Get your facts straight: (can you even tell truth when you see it?)
Jesus Shares only *PART* of God’s name, not his whole name.
The bible says to “Prove all things”, here is proof (Prov 30:4-6):Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered
the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?(A)what is his name, and
(B)what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 (C)Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
A) God’s Name is: YeHoVaH
B) God’s Son’s name is: YA-shu-a
C) Do not LIE by adding to his words!Except his reproof!
Hi Edj
Yashua is the name OF the Son IN THE FLESH
BEFORE HE WAS IN THE FLESH ,HIS NAME WAS YHVH or YaHoVaH or
YeHoVaH Like His Father.
But I’m not a specialist in the name of God or the Son
Jesus in the flesh name his Father: FATHER ” ABBA”I never said that Jesus’/Yeshua’s name is no longer Jesus/Yeshua.
Jesus/Yeshua shares the Name of His Father Yahweh.
As a matter of fact, His Father gave Him that name.
“Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,”
(Philippians 2:9)
The name which is above every name is Yahweh.
So call upon the name of Jesus and He shall set you free.Guys, Will you even accept his Reproof?
The name “YA-shu-a” means “YA” is salvation,
The salvation of “YAH” – which is God’s name.YAH – is God’s Name
YA-shu-a – is God’s Son Name“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established”
(2 Cor 13:1)“Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth
upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows,
is God in his holy habitation.” ((Psalms 68:4-5)Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar (Prov 30:6)
STOP THE LYING!
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God bless
Ed JBerean….please produce one scripture that says “Before he was on earth his name YHVH or YAHOVAH. “. Berean, `if What we say is not “specially” said in our scriptures. Then we are adding “our”, thoughts and reasoning to the text, that is not sound teaching, that is why there are hundreds if not thousands of different churches teaching different things from each other.
whe should try to be able to produce at least one if not two or three “specific” scriptures the say “exactly” what we are saying, please produce the scriptures you are relating to.
peace and love to you and yours………..geneWho is God to you? El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
El Elyon (The Most High God)
Adonai (Lord, Master)
Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
Jehovah Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
El Olam (The Everlasting God)
Elohim (God)
Qanna (Jealous)
Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)https://www.instaencouragements.com/blog/16-names-of-god-and-what-they-mean#
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