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Please tell me of a son that is higher than Jesus, the firstborn over all creation. If you cannot, then it would be an obvious truth that Jesus is the Most High Son. Think!
I think we can all agree on that. Where you differ is that you think it is okay to call the Son of the Most High as the Most High or the Son of YHWH as YHWH.
Isaac is the son of Abraham, and yes both have the same nature, but Isaac is not Abraham. Different identities.
As I have mentioned numerous times, if people understood the difference between identity and nature, then all these theories would go away.
Maybe God has blinded people in this way because their hearts are wayward. Something is certainly going on with that. It is very weird that there is a Trinity, Binity, or Quadrinity doctrines. But then again, it does explain how important it is that there is one God the Father and that Satan would obviously want to deceive people on that truth.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel……so to you Jesus did not say to the person , “why call “ME” good, there is only “ONE” that is Good , and that is God “.
JESUS BY THOSE WORDS DIDN’T CONFIRM THAT HE IS NOT GOD!
HE ONLY CONFIRMED THAT HE IS NOT THE FATHER, BUT THE SON.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me by my Father; and
no one knoweth who the Son is, but the Father;
and who the Father is, but the Son,
and to whom the Son will reveal him.
Gene, now read what Jesus said hereunder:
Luke6:45 A good MAN
Gene, AS YOU SAID:
ONLY GOD IS GOOD
precisely who ABIDES in
IN THE UNIQUE GOOD MAN JESUS,
NOW answer Gene: IS JESUS GOOD???
READ AGAIN Luke 6:45
A GOOD MAN
out of the good treasure of his heart
bringeth forth that which is GOOD:…
Answer Gene again:
WHAT ACTUALLY THE GOOD TREASURE
OF THE GOOD MAN JESUS’ HEART IS???
GOD THE FATHER NO???
AND WHAT IS
THE GOOD
WHICH JESUS
BROUGHT FORTH OUT OF
HIS GOOD TREASURE OF HIS HEART???
THE GOSPEL NO???
For out of the ABUNDANCE of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Answer gene,
WHAT IS THE ABUNDANCE
OF JESUS’HEART, OUT OF WHICH ABUNDANCE
JESUS’ MOUTH SPOKE???
THE GOOD GOD NO???
IS JESUS THE GOOD GOD Gene???
NOW READ
John 14:9Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you;
and have you not known me?
Philip, he that seeth me (THE GOOD MAN) seeth the Father (THE GOD) also.
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
10Do you not believe,
that I (THE GOOD MAN)am in the Father, (THE GOD) and the Father (THE GOD)in me? (THE GOOD MAN)
YOU:and to you he did not say this also, “the Father “God” is greater then I am, and none can take them out of “his” hand”.
John10:28 My sheep hear my voice: and I know them, and they follow me.
28And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and
no man shall pluck them out of my hand.
29That which my Father hath given me,
is greater than all:
and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.
30I and the Father are one.
And your Jesus did not say, “ì “always” do what pleases the Father”.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT Gene???
THE FATHER ALWAYS DID WHAT PLEASES THE SON. NO???
Philippians 2:9 For which cause God also hath exalted him,
and hath given him a name which is above all names:
10That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: 11And that every tongue should confess that
the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.
Gene, THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE
ONE
YOU: Carmel making Jesus your God turns you into an “IDOLATER” , and no “idolater” is excepted by God the Father.
Repent while you still can,
worship God the Father as the “ONLY” TRUE “GOD”, AS Jesus our lord did.
ME: Gene, JESUS ADORED THE FATHER AS A JEW, IN THE OLD TESTAMENT!
NOW, JESUS ESTABLISHED
THE NEW TESTAMENT
ALL IN HIM!!!
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,
will draw ALL THINGS to myself.
ALL THINGS!!!
IN SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH Gene,
the way you accept things.
but I’M AFRAID, only as long as it pleases you,
We (true believers) , are call alongside Jesus to worship God the Father exactly as Jesus does,
as the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, in spirit and truth. Not to try to turn him , INTO A GOD.
READ Gene, and ACCEPT THE TRUTH!
John 4:21 Jesus saith to her: Woman, believe me, that the hour cometh,
when you shall neither on this mountain, not in Jerusalem, adore the Father.
ME: DO YOU GET WHAT JESUS MEANT IN THE ABOVE STATEMENT, Gene???
JESUS SIMPLY MADE IT CERTAIN THAT
THE OLD TESTAMENT OF ADORING THE FATHER IN TEMPLES ARE OVER AND DONE WITH! KEEP ON READING:
22You adore that which you know not: we adore that which we know; for salvation is of the Jews.
WHAT DID JESUS MEAN AGAIN???
HE AGAIN MADE IT CLEAR THAT IN THE OT, THERE WERE MANY WHO ADORE
FALSE GODS, LIKE THE SAMARITANS, WHOM THEY NEVER KNEW THE TRUE GOD, BUT
FROM JESUS’REDEMPTION ONWARD THERE ‘S ONLY
ONE WAY OF ADORING THE FATHER, READ:
23But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true adorers shall adore the Father
in spirit and in truth.
For the Father
also seeketh such to adore him.
ANSWER Gene, FROM REDEMPTION ONWARD
WHO IS
THE TRUTH???
WHO IS THE SOVEREIGN
SPIRIT
OVER THE UNIVERSES???
WHO MANIFESTED
THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH???
JESUS CHRIST
READ Gene:
1John5:20 And we know that
the Son of God is come:
and he hath given us understanding that we
may know the TRUE GOD,
and may be in his TRUE SON.
This is the true God
and life eternal.
OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER
JESUS CHRIST
THAT’S THE ONLY WAY TO ADORE THE FATHER Gene!!!
OK???
THE FATHER IS NOT
THE TRUTH ON HIS OWN, SINCE HE IS
A SPIRIT, UNKNOWN!!!
IN THE SAME WAY SATAN IS WHO CONSIDERS HIMSELF GOD OF THIS WORLD!
THE FACT THAT SATAN OPTED TO BE AUTONOMOUS AND BELIEVED THAT GOD
WOULD NEVER BECOME MAN ON EARTH AND
HE REMAINS
LIKE THE MOST HIGH
SPIRIT HIDDEN AND UNKNOWN!!!
THE FACT THAT GOD HAS GIVEN HIS SON
A UNIQUE MOST POWERFUL NAME!
JESUS
Philippians 2:For which cause God also hath exalted him,
and hath given him a name which is above all names:
10That in the name of
JESUS!!!
NOT IN THE NAME OF GOD Gene!!!
every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth:
11And that every tongue should confess that
the Lord Jesus Christ
is in the GLORY of
God the Father.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Lightenup,
YOU: Sorry Carmel,
Your opinions are not something I find in scripture.
ME: I respect your opinion!
THE FACT THAT YOU DON’T FIND THEM IN SCRIPTURE, IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT
THEY ARE NOT THERE NO?
WOULD YOU PLEASE PICK ONE VERSE, JUST ONE VERSE OF WHAT YOU CALL
MY OPINION???
THEN LET THE HOLY SPIRIT HEARS AND AS HE HEARS HE SPEAKS!!!
YOU DID READ AND FIND THAT IN SCRIPTURE NO???
YOU ALSO BELIEVE THIS, DO YOU???
AFTER ALL, TRUTH MUST BE REVEALED!!!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
PC,
You said:
I think we can all agree on that. Where you differ is that you think it is okay to call the Son of the Most High as the Most High or the Son of YHWH as YHWH.
First of all, I don’t call the Son “the Most High Father” but I do believe that the Son is the “Most High Son.” Second of all, since I believe that YHVH is the unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, context will be important to discern which one is being referred to by the name YHVH.
You don’t seem to get that the Father calls the Son YHVH, so I’m in agreement with the Father and you are not.
I would never say that the Son is “YHVH, the Father.” The Son is identified as YHVH by the Father, by Abraham, by the majority of Christians, so there’s that. Likewise, the Father is not YHVH the Son, but the Father is YHVH also as is the Son.
LU
Hi Carmel,
Just as a small example, you said that which is here quoted, and you use a lot of terms that I don’t see in the scripture:
FIRST AND FOREMOST GOD, BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN ORDER TO COMMUNICATE, ESTABLISHED HIS SON, HIS GENUINE ETERNAL ABODE, PRECISELY AS
“THE WORD”
Most of that doesn’t make any sense to me, sorry. I don’t know where in the Bible, you are getting those terms.
God didn’t “establish” His Son, He begat His Son before He created anything.
Who is his genuine eternal abode, I have no idea where you get that.
In answer to you question, the Holy Spirit does guide us towards truth, the Spirit will bring understanding to the words that Jesus has spoken. What the Spirit discloses to us will be found in scripture in regards to correct doctrine. Deceiving spirits also disclose info to guide us in believing lies. Test the spirit to see if it is from God.
LU
Are you neglecting to address this post on purpose? I will repeat it here:
PC,
You are correct, Abraham is not talking to the Father. He is talking to YHVH however. Therefore, the person who Abraham is addressing as YHVH, is not the Father but someone other than the Father. YHVH is echad which can mean that YHVH is a unity of more than one person. Hebrews 1 has the Father telling us who that other person is that is referred to as YHVH…it is the only begotten Son who the Father addressed as
O Lord,
You laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11They will perish, but You remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed;
but You remain the same,
and Your years will never end.”
This OT passage gives further witness to that here:
Compare with Psalm 102
24I say, “O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years are throughout all generations.25“Of old You founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.26“Even they will perish, but You endure;
And all of them will wear out like a garment;
Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.27“But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.PC, who is the Father identifying as the YHVH who founded the earth and the heavens are the work of His hands?
LU
You have mentioned this over and over so, I am going to attempt to address it.
You said:
Isaac is the son of Abraham, and yes both have the same nature, but Isaac is not Abraham. Different identities.
Yes, I realize this.
YHVH, the Son is the son of YHVH, the Father. They both have the same nature and they have different identities…one is the Father and one is the Son.
This is not hard.
Proclaimer. ….Jesus said 80 times he was a son of man, I am pretty sure he had human nature exactly as we have also. He also had the Spirit od God in him giving him the nature of God, but all who have the Spirit of God has that same nature in them also.
So where is Jesus any different “IN NATURE” , them any of the SAINT’S of God?
Jesus told us that GOD WAS OUR FATHER, over and over and over, just like he was his Father to right?
The truth is who here “actually” truly believes what Jesus says?
That would be the real question here.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………….gene
Carmel…….As I have said many times here, “it’s hard to catch a snake in a brier patch”. I have never seen anyone who could change scriptures and make them say what they apsolutely do not say , or even hint at, better then you here.
Tell us, what church you belong to , you sound like you may be Catholic, or tied into their teachings somehow, they even have written their own bibles, that sounds a lot like what you do, and are comming from.
Carmel, not kidding, you really have some unscriptural teachings, isn’t it time you start quoting what our bible text actually does say, without adding all kind of yours or whoever personal thoughts, that have nothing to do with what is actually written?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
If Christ had always existed alongside the Father, then
that would make them brothers or twins.
Not a real Father and Son.I believe that Jesus was actually begotten by God in eternity past.
Jesus is truly the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16And Jesus said that His Father is the only true God.
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3Again Jesus is not the Most High Son. He is the Son of the Most High.
Luke 1:32 says “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.”Yahweh is the Most High God. Jesus Christ is His Son.
That’s what the Bible says. Amen.@Danny Dabbs
You said:
If Christ had always existed alongside the Father, then
that would make them brothers or twins.
Not a real Father and Son.I didn’t say that the Son always existed “alongside” the Father. I said that He existed within the Father until He was begotten before the ages.
DD: I believe that Jesus was actually begotten by God in eternity past.
Jesus is truly the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16I do as well 🙂
DD: And Jesus said that His Father is the only true God.
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3Yes He did, and it could then be said in that same context that Jesus is the one true Lord. YHVH is both.
DD: Again Jesus is not the Most High Son.
What son is a higher son than Jesus?
He is the Son of the Most High.
Luke 1:32 says “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.”Agreed, Jesus is the Son of the Most High Father.
Yahweh is the Most High God. Jesus Christ is His Son.
Absolutely, YHVH is the Most High God the Father as well as the Most High Lord, the Son-the Lord of lords.
That’s what the Bible says. Amen.
Hey Admin, how do I insert a screen shot? I used to be able to do it but it has been awhile.
It stopped working, but I’ve fixed it.
Click the last button on the toolbar on the first row while in Visual mode.
You can click the Add Media button too, but only to add images that are already in the media library.
Berean,
Thanks for the beautiful, calming music…good words!
Hi LU
Glad you enjoy … And yes, my wife and I really like heritage singers musics and songs, especially in their younger years…..
Ok, thank you for your responses.
You made some very good points.
I will think about it.
Blessings.
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