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Carmel……so to you Jesus did not say to the person , “why call “ME” good, there is only “ONE” that is Good , and that is God “. and to you he did not say this also, “the Father “God” is greater then I am, and none can take them out of “his” hand”.
And your Jesus did not say, “ì “always” do what pleases the Father”.
Carmel making Jesus your God turns you into an “IDOLATER” , and no “idolater” is excepted by God the Father.
Repent while you still can, worship God the Father as the “ONLY” TRUE “GOD”, AS Jesus our lord did. We (true believers) , are call alongside Jesus to worship God the Father exactly as Jesus does,as the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, in spirit and truth. Not to try to turn him , INTO A GOD.
YOUR teachings are corrupt and so are you, because they are “your” teachings, not our lord Jesus Christ’s teachings. Repent Carnel!
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Carmel,
You mentioned:
LU, THE PROBLEM IS TO DISTINGUISH WHICH
FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD, HEBREWS 1
The foundation that I am referring to is the one mentioned in Hebrews 1 and Psalms 102. Found here:
8But about the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,
and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”g
10And:
“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11They will perish, but You remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garmenth they will be changed;
but You remain the same,
and Your years will never end.”
Compare with Psalm 102
24I say, “O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years are throughout all generations.25“Of old You founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.26“Even they will perish, but You endure;
And all of them will wear out like a garment;
Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.27“But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.Danny Dabbs,
Our recent conversation in part:
LU: So, if I understand you correctly, the one that is identified as Yahweh, who appeared to Abraham on earth, standing next to him, talking to him face to face in Genesis 18 is the Father of Jesus in your opinion. Correct?
DD: No. I believe this was Jesus.
Jesus bears the name of His Father.
But Jesus is not Yahweh.So basically you said that the one identified as Yahweh by Abraham in Genesis 18 is Jesus, but Jesus is not Yahweh. Do you see a problem here??
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, is called a duck…it’s not a duck?????
I think your definition of “YHVH” needs to be challenged.
I don’t believe YHVH is a name that can be given to another. Now, the name “Jesus” was the name that the Father gave the son as the Messiah, but the name YHVH belongs to whoever eternally exists, past and future.
I believe that the Son of God eternally existed in some manner as well as the Father and both would bear the name reflecting that eternal existence, i.e. YHVH. They are equally eternally existent, equally bear the name YHVH, united in perfection, power, and purpose, essence, etc. and distinct in relationship as father to son which is reflected in a perfect, loving authority over the other, as would be expected.
LU
Luke 1:32 says “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.”
Who is the Most High, and who is His Son?Danny Dabbs,
Jesus is the son of the Most High God who Jesus calls “Father.” They are ONE…as the Most High Unity.
Do you agree? Or do you think there is a higher unity we should believe in for salvation?? Or do you believe the Father and Son are, or were, in dis-unity at some point?
Hi, LU,
YOU: The foundation that I am referring to is the one mentioned in Hebrews 1 and Psalms 102. Found here:
ME: READ WHAT I ASKED AGAIN, LU:
THE PROBLEM IS TO DISTINGUISH
WHICH FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD, HEBREWS 1 IS REFERRING TO!!!
NOT WHCH YOU ARE REFERRING TO.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO
HEBREWS 1, and TO PSALM 102.
AS I EXPLAINED THERE ARE THREE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD!
NOT ONE!
NOW LET’S READ FROM TWO VERSES UP
HEBREWS 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, (A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE SON) is
for ever and ever:
a sceptre of JUSTICE is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9Thou hast loved JUSTICE, and hated INIQUITY:
therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of
GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR FELLOWS.
IN THE ABOVE GOD THE FATHER IS MORE THAN GLAD TO HIS SON!! WHY???
GOD THE FATHER ALSO DECLARES THAT
JESUS LOVED JUSTICE AND HATED INIQUITY!
THEN HE CONCLUDED AND DECLARED THAT GOD ANOINTED JESUS WITH
THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE HIS FELLOWS!
WHAT FOR THIS OIL OF GLADNESS???
WHO ARE JESUS’ FELLOWS???
FIRST AND FOREMOST GOD, BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN ORDER TO COMMUNICATE, ESTABLISHED HIS SON, HIS GENUINE ETERNAL ABODE, PRECISELY AS
“THE WORD”
ETERNAL LIFE HIDDEN IN THEIR HEART!
A SPIRIT, AND THROUGH HIM, HE CREATED ALL THE SPIRITUAL BEINGS!
MENTIONED IN HEBREWS 1:10 AS
THE HEAVENS!
NOW THE FIRST EVER CREATURE GOD CREATED WAS
LUCIFER! THE LIGHT BRINGER,
THE FIRST MORNING STAR! PRECISELY
THE BEGINNING!
THUS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, YET TO BE, WAS WITHIN
THE HEART OF LUCIFER AND THROUGH HIM
GOD, IN/BY “THE WORD” CREATED ALL THE HEAVENLY REALMS.
THE FIRST PLANET EVER CREATED WAS
THIS WORLD, PRECISELY LUCIFER’S WORK BY HIS ANGELS.
NOW “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, WAS IN THE CORE OF IT AS
THE SOURCE, ETERNAL LIFE!
LUCIFER REJECTED GOD AT ONE STAGE,
HE BELIEVED IN HIS AUTONOMY, DESPITE
ALL THE EFFORTS DONE BY JESUS,
Referred by Jesus in John 8 hereunder!
REGARDING GOD’S SOVEREIGNTY AND TRUTH, FROM WITHIN THE HEART OF LUCIFER and his rebellious angels.
John8:24Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins.
For if you believe not that I am HE,
(WHO SPOKE FOR NO USE FROM WITHIN THEIR HEART)
you shall die in your SIN. (REBEL)
25They said therefore to him:
Who art thou?
Jesus said to them:
The beginning,
who also speak unto you.
OBVIOUS ALSO FOR NO USE DESPITE A HUMAN BEING LIKE THEM, CONCERNING
THE TRUTH!
26Many things I have to speak and to judge of you.
But he that sent me, is true: and the things I have heard of him, these same
I speak in the world.
NOW LET’S READ AGAIN FROM 10 FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE!
10And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord,
WHO IS THE BEGINNING HERE??? OBVIOUS
LUCIFER, AND JESUS WAS IN HIM AS A SPIRIT, “THE WORD” ETERNAL LIFE! THE TRUTH! THUS IT SHOULD READ
AND: YOU IN LUCIFER, O LORD,
didst found the earth:
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!!!
IT SIMPLY SAYS THAT
GOD, IN “THE WORD”, HIS SON JESUS, HIS GENUINE ABODE, BOTH HIDDEN
IN LUCIFER,
THE BEGINNING,
DID FOUND THE EARTH!
and the works of thy hands (PLURAL, GOD DOES NOT USE HIS HANDS TO DO HIS WORK, BUT IT SIMPLY IS A REFERENCE TO
ONE GOD IN
THE FATHER AND THE SON,
IN THE PROCESS OF CREATION) are the heavens.
THUS LIKEWISE IT SAYS THAT
THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS,
GOD IN “THE WORD” HIS SON, JESUS,
ARE THE HEAVENLY REALMS!
NOW LET’S GO BACK AGAIN TO
HEBREWS 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, (A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE SON) is
for ever and ever:
a sceptre of
JUSTICE
is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9Thou hast loved
JUSTICE, and hated INIQUITY:
therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of
GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR FELLOWS.
NOW WE HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE WHY GOD THE FATHER
IS MORE THAN GLAD AND CALLED THE THRONE OF HIS SON
A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE, JESUS LOVED JUSTICE, AND HATED INIQUITY!
ALSO, JESUS’ FELLOWS WERE PRECISELY
LUCIFER AND HIS REBELLIOUS ANGELS/ SPIRITS
NOW LETS’ CONTINUE READING:
11They shall perish,
WHO? OBVIOUS THE REBELLIOUS SPIRITS,
but thou shalt continue: and they shall all grow old as a garment.
HERE IT SIMPLY SAYS THAT JESUS, THE SON OF GOD REMAINS FAITHFUL, TO GOD THE FATHER, DESPITE FIRST AS A SPIRIT WITHIN THE HEART OF GOD’S ENEMIES AS THEIR
LIFE SOURCE, AND ALSO AS A HUMAN ON EARTH, WHO NEVER SINNED. SIMPLY FOR THE SAKE OF
TRUTH AND JUSTICE!
12And as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
IN THE ABOVE IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT AT THE VERY END,
ALL WILL BE CHANGED AND RETURN TO GOD!
PRECISELY
BY JESUS, IN JESUS, AND FOR JESUS!
WHEN THE FATHER WOULD BE ALL IN ALL AND HIS SON AS A SPIRIT
RETURNS IN THE FATHER’S BOSOM! ATTENTION PLEASE:
PHYSICALLY THOUGH,
GOD THE FATHER AND THE ENTIRE KINGDOM OF GOD, OR MORE PRECISE
THE KINGDOM OF THE SON WOULD ONLY HAVE
ONE KIND OF BODY!!!
THE BODY OF
JESUS CHRIST!
1 John3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now
the sons of God;
and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear,
we shall be like to him:
because we shall see him as he is.
EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!!!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……the word Lucifer means rising star, we still use that term today, the king of Babylon was a rising Star of his day. It is a metaphor of our rising star, “the Sun” .
Lucifer does not mean, or is Satan, that just another false teaching. If you look closely at that scripture, you will see that……Isa 14:4 ……says it was a “proverb”, against the king of Babylon. A proverb is a “fictions illustration ” About something usually of a “metaphorical” nature; hence a simile.
No where does it say in “any” scripture, Satan’s name is “Lucifer” . if it is there please “post it”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
I do not see anywhere Satan being called Lucifer before his fall.
That is true.
But scripture does speak about leaders and the ruling power behind them.
The Prince
28 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
The King
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
This is about the leader of Babylon. But he is likened to this other, the annointed cherub.
Scripture is inspired by God. It has a depth of revelation unlike any book written from the spirit of man.
Jesus is not the Most High. He is the Son of the Most High.
Let’s read it again. Luke 1:32 says “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.”
Danny Dabbs,
You said: Jesus is not the Most High. He is the Son of the Most High.
Read my last post to you. Isn’t that what I said?
I believe that there is a “head” within the Unity of YHVH and a Son. That “head” is the Father of the Son. Within the most high unity, there is a Father and a Son. The Son is called the Son of the Most High.
I do believe that it can be said that the Father is a father to the Most High Son.
as well as this:
The Son is a son to the Most High Father.
Two persons can’t be any higher than they can, and between them both, one is the head of the other. This is not hard.
Now answer my questions:
Are the most high Father and the most high Son, ONE, not one in the same person but ONE in unity? If so, was there ever a time when they were not in unity?
Blessings, LU
Bump for PC
PC,
You are correct, Abraham is not talking to the Father. He is talking to YHVH however. Therefore, the person who Abraham is addressing as YHVH, is not the Father but someone other than the Father. YHVH is echad which can mean that YHVH is a unity of more than one person. Hebrews 1 has the Father telling us who that other person is that is referred to as YHVH…it is the only begotten Son who the Father addressed as
O Lord,
You laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11They will perish, but You remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed;
but You remain the same,
and Your years will never end.”
This OT passage gives further witness to that here:
Compare with Psalm 102
24I say, “O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years are throughout all generations.25“Of old You founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.26“Even they will perish, but You endure;
And all of them will wear out like a garment;
Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.27“But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.PC, who is the Father identifying as the YHVH who founded the earth and the heavens are the work of His hands?
LU
Proclaimer. …..my point was t h e word LUCIFER, does not mean SATAN. IT MEANS “RISING STAR” , a medaphor, used which we still use today.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
LUCIFER IS NO LONGER LUCIFER (CARRIER OF LIGHT) HE HAS BECOME SATAN: THE ONE WHO DAMS LIGHT WITH A FAKE LIGHT ….
He disguises himself as an angel of light.
THIS WORD “LUCIFER” SHOULD ONLY BE USED TO REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS IN OLD TIMES: A TRUE ANGEL OF LIGHT AND BEARER OF LIGHT, WHICH HE IS NO LONGER.You said: I do believe that it can be said that the Father is a father to the Most High Son.
“the Most High Son“??
Sorry, I don’t find this phrase in my Bible.Jesus is not the Most High Son. He is the Son of the Most High. Luke 1:32
Now to your question:
Jesus was begotten by his Father before all worlds.
At that point He was/is always in unity with His Father.Danny Dabbs,
Please tell me of a son that is higher than Jesus, the firstborn over all creation. If you cannot, then it would be an obvious truth that Jesus is the Most High Son. Think!
Also, if anyone is begotten, they must have existed in order to be begotten. The whole idea of begetting something/someone is to bring it/them forth from point a to point b. In other words, the Son was brought forth from within the Father to being alongside the Father before the ages.
Another example, when Jesus became the first begotten from the dead, He certainly existed beforehand, did He not??
A begetting is not synonymous to a “creating” or “coming into existence that which was not in existence in some manner before the act of begetting “
Can you tell me of any living being that was born alive that did not exist alive the moment before they were born? Even human sons and daughters have existed within the parent for months before they were begotten/born. Or are you of the persuasion that nothing living is within the womb while a woman has yet to have begotten them/given birth to them? If nothing was in the womb, existing alive, how so is something begotten alive from that womb?
Now, Danny, if you now realize, by reason, that the Son must have been alive and have existed before He was begotten, before the ages, why would you think that He wasn’t in unity with His Father until He was begotten from His Father?
LU
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