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Carmel……At least Jodi and I don’t change word meanings, except where STRONG shows them as mistranlated, from the Greek to the English.
While your praying for me, make sure you ask God, to start to reaveal the truth to you OK?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Really Gene???
To you “Freewill” doesn’t mean freewill…
“which are minded of their own freewill” (Ezra 7:13)
Again guys, you’re defining God by nature and not identity. The Bible did not teach you to do that, but the Trinity Doctrine did.
Back to the football analogy. Messi has the same nature as all other footballers on the planet. So in what way is the he the top/best/greatest?
Not by nature then right?
This is the point.
You can’t say that a person you personally know who plays football is equal to Lionel Messi in the football world by making the nature and essence argument can you? Yet you do that with Jesus. And by extension, you should then be consistent and make the same argument for us who can also participate in divine nature, but you come up with excuses at that point.
It’s back to the drawing board.
For us, there is one God, the Father. He is the God of Jesus Christ which makes him God’s son. It’s really simple. But the wisdom of this world cannot grasp it.
Let’s ask a simple question.
Does Jesus have a God, or is he God?
@t8
Yahweh is called in the Old Testament both God and Lord.
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim and the Hebrew word for Lord is Adonai.So 1 Corinthians 8:6 doesn’t prove unitarianism.
It’s time to shake the dust off my feet!Carmel……At least Jodi and I don’t change word meanings
Really Gene???
To you “Freewill” doesn’t mean freewill…
“which are minded of their own freewill” (Ezra 7:13)
Gene?
You do change meanings Gene
You teach that YHWH doesn’t have a son then.
Edj……look up the Hebrew text, you will see the word there means to volunteer, and act of self-will, it has nothing to do with telling us anything about how the Will “itself” works, I have said a hundred time probably we do have freedom to “exercise” our “influenced Will, but that is not talking about how the Will “itself” works now is it?
There exists no such thing as a will that is “free” itself, or it simply wouldn’t be a will now would it? If our WILL’S weren’t “driven” by something , we would be simply soumb’s going around walking into walls.
The word “freewill” is an OXYMORON, because there exists no such thing as a will that is free of “itself”, in fact just the opposite, we are all held captive by what driving our will’s.
Edj…..common sense 101.
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
For me, there is one God the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.
For some of you, there is one God the Father and God the Son who is also one Lord, the Lord Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
To be clear, I agree with Paul and you do not. Paul stated something different to what you believe.
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through Him”
Clearly I am in the Paul camp. We (Jesus, Peter, Paul, myself etc) believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not God the Son. You basically believe that Jesus is God as is the Father. So you basically believe in the Father of God and the Son of God who both make up God.
Proclaimer. …..I also am in that camp. As I have testified over 12 or so years here.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Proclaimer,
You said:
You teach that YHWH doesn’t have a son then.
No, I don’t teach that at all, you are very confused if you think that.
I teach that YHVH is two persons who are One. I know that is hard for you but most Christians recognize that not only the Father is identified as YHVH but also his son is identified as YHVH. I’m not sure if you cannot see this because of a lack of faith or spiritual blindness, or a hard heart. Either way, you have missed a beautiful understanding of the relationship of the Father and Son as YHVH, who is both, the God of gods (Father) and the Lord of lords (Son who is YHVH our Righteousness).
YHVH alone created the world…the Father through the Son.
It is totally amazing how YHVH the Father sent YHVH the Son to become a baby in a manger who is actually our LORD and Savior to those who believe.
I hope your Christmas was merry 🙂
LU
Hi Lu
you
“I teach that YHVH is two persons who are One.”
me
Don’t you think it would be fairer to say that there are two divine beings called YHVH: THE ONLY TRUE GOD THE FATHER AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
NOTE: THE SON HAS INHERITED THE NAME OF THE FATHER AS SAID HEBREWS 1: 4
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.blessings in Jesus name.
Berean. …..If Jesus already had it When he “preexisted” then he couldn’t have inherited it, right?, why? , because he would have already had it. (A much better name then the Angels) he would have just been given it back., Right?
Seems just another delima for prexisteners to try to figure out. But I am sure you people can come up with something, ot h er then just believing what it clearly says.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi Gene,
YOU:Berean. …..If Jesus already had it When he “preexisted” then he couldn’t have inherited it, right?,
ME: WRONG!
FIRST AND FOREMOST YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE WHAT THE WORD
“IT” IS REFERRING TO! NO?
GOD IS A SPIRIT AND AS A SPIRIT HE NEVER HAD A
BODY!
THUS THE FIRST EVER TASK GOD DID WAS TO OWN
A BODY!
THIS BODY HAD TO BE THE EXTERNAL ENTITY OF GOD!
THIS BODY ALSO HAD TO BE
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH GOD OTHERWISE IT COULD NOT IN NO WAY BE
THE CARRIER OF GOD WHO IS IMMENSELY POWERFUL IN EVERY SENSE!
ONCE THIS BODY WAS ESTABLISHED,
GOD WAS BOTH AS HE WAS ETERNALLY
AD INTRA,
ON HIS OWN AS A SPIRIT,
KEEP IN MIND A MYSTERIOUS SPIRIT! AND ALSO
AD EXTRA
OUTSIDE OF HIMSELF
PHYSICALLY FULLY LUMINOUS
WHICH ENLIGHTENED THE ENTIRE INFINITE EXISTENCE!
THE BEGINNING,
THE BIG BANG
LET THERE BE LIGHT!
BY WHICH BEGINNING GOD ENRICHED HIMSELF!
HE WAS IN THE POSITION TO MOVE FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME, AND ALSO SAW HIMSELF IN
HIS EMBODIMENT!
JESUS CHRIST
THE SON OF GOD!
“THE WORD” MADE PHYSICAL/FLESH
AS BEFORE HE WAS IN A STATE OF
STATIC DARKNESS,
OCCUPYING THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE!
FROM THEN ON GOD COMMENCED CREATION BUT HE KEPT HIS EMBODIMENT HIDDEN UNKNOWN TO ALL HIS EVENTUAL CREATURES SIMPLY TO GIVE THEM
FREE WILL !
WHETHER TO BE LOYAL TO HIM AS A
MYSTERIOUS GOD, OR TO BECOME HIS ENEMY!
ONE PARTICULAR UNIQUE ANGEL
THE ANGEL OF LIGHT
THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT, AFTER CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE, BECAME INSANE WITH HIS WORK AND LOVED HIS WORK MORE THEN HIS CREATOR!
HE WANTED TO SEE GOD AT ALL COSTS!
HE DIDN’T ACCEPT THE FACT THAT
HE COULDN’T SEE GOD UNLESS HE DIES!
HE REBELLED AND DARKNESS FELL IN THE ENTIRE INFINITE EXISTENCE!
GOD’S SOLUTION WAS TO SEND HIS ONLY SON
JESUS CHRIST
THE PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT OF GOD ON EARTH SIMPLY TO BE
VISIBLE FOR ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM, AND ONCE THEY BELIEVE IN HIM, EQUIVALENTLY BELIEVE IN GOD!
THE MYSTERIOUS GOD NO MORE!
OBVIOUS HE WAS/IS THE PRECISE UNIQUE EMBODIMENT OF GOD!
THE PHYSICAL GOD!
PRECISELY THE GOD
AGAINST WHOM THIS ANGEL OF LIGHT REBELLED
AS HE COULD NOT SEE!
YOU: why? , because he would have already had it.
ME: NO! HE NEVER HAD
THIS EMBODIMENT BEFORE Gene!!!
GOD ALL KNOWING HE, A MYSTERIOUS GOD, ESTABLISHED THIS FLESH EMBODIMENT SIMPLY IN ORDER FOR HIM AS
A SPIRIT
WITHIN HIS SON
“THE WORD” TO EMPTY HIMSELF IN HIS SON!
AND BECAME
A MERE HUMAN BEING
HIS OWN SUBSTANCE! UNIQUE!
ONE OF A KIND!
A BEING HE WAS NEVER BEEN BEFORE,
A RANSOM, AND IN THE SAME TIME HE WAS!
PLUS THAT HE, THE SON
REMAINED
AD EXTRA
IN ONE SAME GLORY WITH THE FATHER AS HE WAS
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS IN HEAVEN!
THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD
JESUS CHRIST!
VISIBLE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO REMAINED LOYAL TO GOD AFTER THE REBEL OCCURRED!
THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY FOR GOD TO MAKE HIMSELF VISIBLE TO
ALL HIS CREATURES
ESPECIALLY HUMANS
SATANIC THROUGH ADAM AND EVE SIN!
IMPERFECT IN EVERY SENSE!
SIMPLY, TO MAKE THEM
PERFECT,
IDENTICAL TO HIM,
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
EVEN BY THERE OWN FREE WILL!
YOU:(A much better name then the Angels) he would have just been given it back., Right?
WRONG!
SIMPLY AS AT THE VERY END
THE SON WOULD EVENTUALLY HAND OVER
THIS EMBODIMENT FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME TO
THE FATHER! AD EXTRA
AND THE SON WOULD RETURN BACK TO GOD A SPIRIT!
AD INTRA!
AS HE WAS BEFORE THE BEGINNING!
SIMPLY AS HE
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!
WOULD BE VISIBLE
SEALED IN THE ENTIRE CREATION
AD EXTRA:
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM
John6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth,
but for that which endureth unto life everlasting,
which the Son of man will give you.
For him hath God, the Father, sealed.
ALL CREATURES ONE SAME BODY AS
GOD THE FATHER
ALL IN ALL IN
JESUS CHRIST
1John3:1 Behold what manner of charity the Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called, and should be
the sons of God.
Therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew not him.
2Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God;
and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be.
We know, that, when he shall appear,
we shall be like to him:
because we shall see him as he is.
ETERNALLY
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
Rev.21:3And I heard a great voice from the throne, saying: Behold the tabernacle of God with men, and he will dwell with them. And they shall be his people; and God himself with them shall be their God.
23 And I saw no temple therein.
For the Lord God Almighty is the temple thereof,
and the Lamb.
23And the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it.
For the glory of God hath enlightened it,
and the Lamb is the lamp thereof.
YOU: Seems just another delima for prexisteners to try to figure out.
POOR Gene!
THE DILEMA IS YOURS
WITH YOUR CARNAL MIND UNDERSTANDING!
YOU: But I am sure you people can come up with something,
other than just believing what it clearly says.
ME: SCRIPTURES Gene, IS SPIRITUAL AND MUST BE TAKEN IN
WHAT IT CLEARLY MEANS BY
THE HOLY SPIRIT
ALL THE ABOVE IS MEAT NOT MILK Gene,
YOU NEED TO DO SOME CHEWING!!!
Gene! I’M AFRAID!
Peace and love Jesus Christ!
@t8
Just to respond to your falsehood about John 20:28.
You said the greek grammatical structure is not referring to only one person. Really?
In Psalm 35:23 (Septuagint), the same Greek grammatical structure is used as in John 20:28.
Psalm 35:23 ho theos mou kai ho kurios mou. My God and my Lord.
John 20:28 ho kurios mou kai ho theos mou. My Lord and my God.
The Psalmist David says, “Awake, O Lord, and attend to my judgment, even to my cause, my God and my Lord.”
David was addressing only one person.
Since the Greek grammatical structure in John 20:28 is the same, Thomas is clearly referring to Jesus as God.
Conclusion:
t8 is wrong. The Bible is right in calling Jesus Christ: Lord and God!
So t8, do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and God?Gene
Jeremiah
King James Version
23: 5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise up unto David a righteous branch, and a king shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness upon the earth.English translation of Darby
23: 5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise up unto David a righteous branch, which shall reign as king, and do with wisdom, and execute judgment and righteousness in the land.Transliterated Hebrew
23: 5 HNH YMYM B’aYM N’aM-YHVH VHQMThY LDVD TShMCh TShDYQ VMLK MLK VHShKYL V’yShH MShPhT VTShDQH B’aUrTSh.V6
King James Version
23: 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell in safety; and this is his name by which he shall be called: The LORD our righteousness.English translation of Darby
23: 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell in safety; and this is his name by which he will be called, Jehovah our righteousness.Transliterated Hebrew
23: 6 BYMYV ThVSh’y YHVDH VYShUr’aL YShKN LBTCh VZH-ShMV ‘aShUr-YQUr’aV YHVH TShDQNV.Transliterated Hebrew
23: 6 BYMYV ThVSh’y VYShUr’aL YShKN LBTCh VZH-ShMV ‘aShUr-YQUr’aV YHVH TShDQNV.The Psalmist David says, “Awake, O Lord, and attend to my judgment, even to my cause, my God and my Lord.”
David was addressing only one person.Who was that one person he was addressing?
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