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Jesus christ, is GOD the fathers work in another human being, not his work in another GOD.
All those who believe Jesus was a GOD, doing the work of a God “himself” are unable to believe that GOD THE FATHER was indeed ‘IN” the man Jesus. So in calling Jesus a God, they make Jesus who said ‘THE FATHER WAS “IN” HIM, out to be a liar.
Jesus also clearly said ” he could do “nothing” of himself, saying the Father that was in him, he was the one doing the work.
Tell us Berean why would a God, need another God , to do the work ““IN” him. If he were already a God? PLEASE Don’t give us this false idea he dumped all his GODLINESS, to become a human so thats why he couldn’t use it garbage.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Edjand all,
How come when it pertains to Jesus it makes him GOD
but when it pertains to us it doesn’t make us GOD???ME: IN FULL HUMILITY
THERE IS ONLY ONE
SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HUMANS!
JESUS!
Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not of one:
but God is one.
WHEN IT COMES TO HUMANS A MEDIATOR IS ALSO A HUMAN, BETWEEN
HUMANS’ SUBSTANCE.
WHEN IT COMES TO GOD, A MEDIATOR BETWEEN
GOD’S SUBSTANCE AND HUMANS’ SUBSTANCE THERE IS ONLY
JESUS,
THE
SON/DIVINE,
OF MAN
ONLY HE IS THE SAME SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER AND HUMANS! HOW?
AS ONLY
“THE WORD”,
JESUS THE SON OF MAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
THE ACTUAL BEGINNING OF ALL BEGINNINGS, ON
THE FIRST EVER SPOKEN WORD OF GOD
“LET THERE BE LIGHT” WAS
ENGRAFTED
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE ENDLESS SPIRITS
EMANATED FROM GOD AD-EXTRA THROUGH
THE HOLY GHOST, THE LOVE AND THE VOICE OF GOD, the Female entity of God!
THE FACT THAT JESUS IS OF THE HOLY GHOST!
THE FACT THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD’S LOVE!
BY WHICH SPIRITS, THE EVENTUAL ENTIRE CREATION, AD-EXTRA,
WAS ENLIGHTENED THE ENTIRE INFINITE
EXISTENCE! ATTENTION PLEASE!!!
ALL THESE SPIRITS THOUGH EXISTED AND ALIVE, AS THERE IS NO DEATH WITHIN GOD, FROM WHICH THEY WERE EMANATED,
THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF THEIR EXISTENCE!
SIMPLY, AS THEY WERE ALIVE ONLY AS
A PHYSICAL LIGHT,
PRECISELY ALIVE ONLY PHYSICALLY NOT SPIRITUALLY BY
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN YET TO BE,
THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR! the reason that
HE ACTUALLY IS
ETERNAL LIFE, who came out of
THE HOLY GHOST,
THE LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT AS!
THE LIFE OF ALL
PHYSICAL John17:2.
THEN THE FATHER
THE LIFE OF ALL SPIRITS
INTEGRATED
AND BECAME
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH
“THE WORD” JESUS,
THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN YET TO BE! I repeat:
THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN
THE PHYSICAL ELEMENT AD-EXTRA AND
THE SPIRIT ELEMENT AD-INTRA!
HENCE BECAME AWARE OF THEMSELVES AND OF GOD!
FROM THAN ON
ALL POSSIBLE FOR GOD! EVEN IN ONE INSTANT
TO CREATE ALL, ONCE
HE PRONOUNCED
” THE WORD” attributed to
JESUS, THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN. yet to be!
BY WHICH SPIRIT, HE CREATED
THE BEGINNING OF EVERY CREATURE
LUCIFER, MALE AND FEMALE androgynous!
A FULLY LUMINOUS CREATURE WITH
ONE DIVINE/CREATURE HEART BETWEEN
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN YET TO BE, AND
LUCIFER!
THE FEMALE ELEMENT OF CREATION YET TO BE.
THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT
THE MORNING STAR
THE FACT THAT BOTH JESUS AND LUCIFER ARE
THE MORNING STAR
All the above is not MINE INVENTION! 90% WAS ALREADY REVEALED BY GOD BEFORE BY OTHERS FOR ALL TO READ, WHILE MYSELF I WAS DEFINITELY GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO BE AWARE OF IT IN MORE DETAIL.
DESPITE I NEVER STUDIED ANYTHING RELATED TO ANY RELIGION OR BELIEF EXCEPT AS A CHILD TILL THE AGE OF 14.
15 YEARS AGO I SIMPLY TOOK A VITAL DECISION AND PROMISED JESUS, THE ONLY GODMAN ON EARTH, THAT I WILL ABANDON THIS PHYSICAL MORTAL WORLD FOR THE SAKE OF ETERNAL LIFE;
THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM,
AS SOON I BECAME AWARE OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AND BELIEFS, OF WHICH I HAD NOT THE SLIGHTEST, WHILE BROWSING/SEARCHING ON THE INTERNET, FROM WHERE I WAS BORN IN THE SPIRIT AFTER I MET
THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH!
IRONICALLY INSTIGATED BY SOMEONE WHO CALLED
THE IMAGE OF
“DIVINE MERCY JESUS” THE DEVIL,
FROM THAN ON IT WAS A STORY BETWEEN THE HOLY SPIRIT AND ME!
A SPIRITUAL AND LUMINOUS STORY WHICH I EXPERIENCED AND STILL DO
BIT BY BIT EVERY DAY!
Psalm1:1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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You are still attacking strawman and you still don’t get my point.
I don’t deny that God is the head of Christ.
And I don’t deny that man is the head of woman.
But being the head of someone doesn’t make you superior in being!
Let me make it easy for you.
The head of the woman is man. Ok.
But does this mean that the husband is a superior being to his wife?
The answer is obviously, “No.” The husband is greater than his wife by way of position but not by nature.
The same applies to the Father and the Son. The Father is greater by position, but not better by nature.
I’m not a Trinitarian, by the way. Stop attacking strawman. Thank you and God bless you.Carmel…..What a maze, you run through to twist up our scriptures. So, MOSES AND THE “OTHER” PROPHETS, themselves were no true “mediators”, between God and men right? God the Father used many mediators before Jesus was ever born, had you noticed it say “BUT UNTO “US” Those who have the Spirit of God in them, true Saint’s of God, bothers of the man Jesus. “UNTO “US” THERE IS “ONE” GOD AND “ONE” MEDIATOR BETWEEN MEN AND GOD “THE MAN” JESUS.
IT’S JUST UNBELIEVABLE, how much you can twist up our scriptures, . You have been decieved more then almost anyone I have ever seen here since I have been posting here. Tell me are you a Catholic preacher, you must be to be that scripturely screwed up.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
But does this mean that the husband is a superior being to his wife?
The answer is obviously, “No.” The husband is greater than his wife by way of position but not by nature.
The same applies to the Father and the Son. The Father is greater by position, but not better by nature.This was precisely the point I was making. Identity vs nature.
For example, God is a Spirit. If nature makes you equal, then the angels who are spirits are equal to God as they too are spirits.
But in identity, God is greater than the angels and also too the son of God. Because one is the Father and the others came from him. God is the Father of spirits.
As for the woman, she came from man and the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is of the Church. Christ is the bridegroom and we are the bride.
There is a divine order that some so-called Christian doctrines actually oppose.
2 Peter 1:4…The Geneva Study Bible commentary says:
“By the divine nature he means not the substance of the Godhead, but the partaking of those qualities, by which the image of God is restored in us.”Only Jesus shares the exact same nature as His Father. Because Jesus is the ONLY begotten of the Father. John 1:14
I am not so sure about that Danny. Jesus is the son of God and we are sons of God. And he calls us brother. We are part of the same family as him. God never calls us brothers. To him we are his children.
Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
Clearly then, we are the same kind of being as Jesus, that is children of God.
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
So both Jesus and us are sons and children of God. We are never brothers to God and God and Jesus are not brothers. It is written that we will even have the same glorious body as he does.
who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
When we are born from above, we are given the new nature. If not, then we would still be of the flesh and die in our sins. Instead, we are born again, but we remain in a state of flux awaiting our resurrection bodies which will put as at rest and always toward the divine and without sin.
So yes Jesus was begotten of the Father, but what do you suppose this new birth is?
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come”
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
See. We too are begotten of God.
The difference between us and him is this. He is the prototype son. He is not God as many propose, just as we are not God.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel…..What a maze, you run through to twist up our scriptures. So, MOSES AND THE “OTHER” PROPHETS, themselves were no true “mediators”, between God and men right?
ME; FROM THE ABOVE IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT EITHER I WAS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH, WHICH IS QUITE NORMAL, YOU DIDN’T READ PROPERLY WHAT I POSTED OR ELSE YOU SIMPLY SELECTED THE WORDS WHICH PLEASED YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY AND EVEN IGNORED
SCRIPTURE ITSELF, WHERE IT CLEARLY DECLARES THAT JESUS IS NOT
A HUMAN BEING IDENTICAL AS HUMANS OF EARTH ARE.
THE FACT THAT JESUS IS
OF THE HOLY GHOST AND
ONLY BORN
IN ALL THINGS LIKE HUMANS,
IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!
NO YOU DON’T
I TELL YOU:
NOT OF HUMAN SPERM, OVUM, DNA, AND
ALL THE SATANIC GARBAGE HUMANS OF EARTH ARE MADE FROM!
GOD IS A SPIRIT
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO HIS OWN WORK, IT IS
HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE/EXISTENCE TO ALL OF HIS WORK!
DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT GOD IS, HIS POWER, HIS WISDOM, AND THAT HE DOES NOT REQUIRE THE LEAST SPECK OF THIS SATANIC EARTH,
HIS WORK OUT OF HIS SPIRIT SUBSTANCE AD-EXTRA BUT CORRUPTED, IN ORDER TO
SEND THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, SPIRIT
EMBODIED IN A UNIQUE
SON/DIVINE OF MAN
IN FLESH!
READ Gene
Isaiah 66:9 SHALL NOT I
that make others to bring forth children,
MYSELF (SPIRIT) bring forth,
saith the Lord?
SHALL I (SPIRIT)
that give generation to others,
BE BARREN
saith the Lord thy God?
NOW WITHOUT TWISTING THE SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER EXPLAIN ON HEAVENNET WHAT ARE
THE CHARACTERISTICS AND CREDENTIALS OF JESUS AND
PLEASE JUST NAME
ONE HUMAN BEING WHO WALKED ON EARTH WITH THE SAME
CHARACTERISTICS AND CREDENTIALS OF JESUS:
NEVER MIND MOSES AND ALL THE PROPHETS!
WHO CAME ON EARTH AND ONLY PROCLAIMED
JESUS’ PRE-EXISTENCE, AND HIS UNIQUE DIVINE TASK EVEN
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8
BY THE WAY, PERHAPS YOU FORGOT, READ WHAT
THE UNIQUE PERSON WHO WALKED ON EARTH, AND WHO IS
MORE THAN A PROPHET,
SAID ABOUT JESUS!
MATTHEW 3:11 I indeed baptize you in the water unto penance,
but he that shall come after me,
is MIGHTIER THAN I, (GOD’S OWN ANGEL, PRE-EXISTED) whose shoes I am not worthy to bear;
he shall baptize you in the Holy Ghost and fire.
NOW ENJOY!!! Gene, read
HEBREWS 1:3Who being
the brightness of his (FATHER’S)
GLORY (name another human Gene with this glory)
and the figure of his(FATHER’S)
SUBSTANCE,(name another human Gene with this substance)
and upholding all things by THE WORD of his (FATHER’S)
POWER, ( name another human Gene with this
POWER )
YOU: God the Father used many mediators before Jesus was ever born,
THE PROBLEM WITH YOU Gene, IS
THAT JESUS WAS ONLY BORN ON EARTH AND
NEVER PRE-EXISTED AS A SPIRIT,
THE SON OF THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT
DESPITE THE FACT THAT AT ONE STAGE WE ALL WERE ALSO SPIRITS!
YOU AND JODI SIMPLY IGNORE THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE:
John 1:1IN the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John beareth witness of him, and crieth out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke:
He that shall come after me,
is preferred before me: because he was before me.
YOU BELIEVE THAT JOHN PRE-EXISTED AND WAS SENT FROM GOD
From the other hand, YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN JESUS’PRE-EXISTENCE DESPITE
HE IS MIGHTIER AND BEFORE JOHN!
Matthew 11:11 Amen I say to you, there hath not risen among them that are born of women
a greater than John the Baptist:
yet he (JESUS)
that is the lesser in the kingdom of heaven
is greater than he.
YOU: had you noticed it say “BUT UNTO “US” Those who have the Spirit of God in them, true Saint’s of God, bothers of the man Jesus.
ME: ONLY ON HIS RESURRECTION! NOT ON HIS BIRTH!
THE MAN BORN AGAIN FROM ALL THE DEAD, SPIRITUALLY DEAD SOULS BOTH CAPTIVES IN HELL AND ON EARTH!
ORIGINALLY A SPIRIT SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.Rev.13:8
YOU: “UNTO “US” THERE IS “ONE” GOD AND “ONE” MEDIATOR BETWEEN MEN AND GOD “THE MAN” JESUS.
NOW READ WHAT I POSTED:
THERE IS ONLY ONE
SPIRIT/MEDIATOR!
NOT JUST A MEDIATOR, JESUS IS THE FATHER’S/SPIRIT SUBSTANCE!
HE IS BOTH A MEDIATOR BETWEEN
HUMANS IN FLESH AND BETWEEN
SPIRITS AS SOULS!
HEBREWS 4:12 For the word of God
is living and effectual,
and more piercing than any two edged sword;
and reaching unto
the division of the soul and the spirit,
of the joints also and the marrow,
READ AGAIN NOW
Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not of one:
but God is one.
FROM GOD’S SIDE
SPIRIT,
ONLY GOD HIMSELF IN JESUS IS JUSTIFIED. WHY?
WHEN IT COMES TO HUMANS A MEDIATOR IS ALSO A HUMAN, BETWEEN
HUMANS’ SUBSTANCE.
WHEN IT COMES TO GOD, A MEDIATOR BETWEEN
GOD’S SUBSTANCE AND HUMANS’ SUBSTANCE
THERE IS ONLY
JESUS,
THE
SON/DIVINE,
OF MAN
ONLY HE IS
THE SAME SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER AND HUMANS!
HOW?
AS ONLY
“THE WORD”,
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
A SPIRIT John1:1
THE ACTUAL BEGINNING OF ALL BEGINNINGS, ON
THE FIRST EVER SPOKEN WORD OF GOD
“LET THERE BE LIGHT” WAS
ENGRAFTED
ONE SUBSTANCE
WITH THE ENDLESS SPIRITS
EMANATED FROM GOD AD-EXTRA THROUGH
THE HOLY GHOST, THE LOVE AND THE VOICE OF GOD, the Female entity of God!
THE FACT THAT JESUS IS OF THE HOLY GHOST!THE FACT THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD’S LOVE!
YOU SIMPLY LOOK AT JESUS ONLY
AS FLESH SUBSTANCE AND
IGNORING THE PURE FACT THAT HE IS ALSO
THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE!
UNIQUE!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer, your post # 868002, is the “most excellent” Post I have ever seen you post. Seems my, our, prayers for you has been answered. Jesus is indeed the human ““pro-type” of what God the Father had in mind for “his human creation” from the very beginning, this “pro-type” is the exact reason for all the pysical creation.
He, Jesus, has now recieved what we will also recieved at our resurection, because he “IS” the first born of “MANY” Brethern” and we truly are “HEIRS AND JOINT HEIRS WITH HIM.
NOW kick this “prexistence” thing and you will be dead on brother? THINK ABOUT THIS PROCLAIMER, what point would it make , if God made a “prefect prexisting being” and passed him off as a man, prove to anyone? But if he took the DNA from the family of KING DAVID, and put that in the womb of a women , Mary, and she bore a real human being, born exactly in every way like the rest of GOD’S HUMAN CREATION, and perfected him and raised him from the dead m and gave him great honour and Glory, and put all thing under his feet, like he plans to do with the rest of us, giving us honour and Glory and putting all things under our feet also, just like he did Jesus. Think about that Proclaimer, what a “wonderful ” point that would make to all humanity.
We who have the Spirit of God in us and Jesus are the “exact same” in “every” way, “as he was so are we brother. Do not move Jesus’ idenity away from yourself brother. He is “now” what we are to be.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Carmel….. scripture says “the MAN” Jesus, Which i see you conveniently left out. Look we all “realize what you post, but the problem is thats not exactly the way it is written in our scriptures, and therein lies the problem, what you are posting shows you have been greatly decieved in the past and as a result are not able to truly understand the truth of our scriptures, and so you mix and match the “Catholic” corruption of our scriptures. That might have worked back when your teachers killed anyone who had bibles, back them, and only spoke to their people in Latin, so they couldn’t understand, but now we all have the scriptures, that we can read for ourselves. So you deceptions no longer work. EXCEPT ON THE BLIND, IMO
REPENT CARMEL,
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Gene
You will NEVER be able to prove that THE SON OF GOD DID NOT PRE-EXIST
AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT HE IS NOT GOD (BEING LEFT FROM THE FATHER)
YOU LOSE PRECIOUS TIME IN WISHING TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT IS INDEMETABLE.Berean
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But the Bible calls Jesus clearly the ONLY-begotten Son of God.
“In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.” 1 John 4:9
Only means only!
Obviously he was the only one but because of him. we are now born from God ourselves and not by flesh and blood. He calls us brothers but he is and always will be the prototype son.
And yes, he will always be the only one to come directly from God. I think we both agree with that. Whereas we came from Adam, but have abandoned that lineage by being born into God’s family later on.
If he came directly from God before the universe existed, then by what was he derived? Only God. Some think this makes him God, but it makes him the only begotten son of God. God is the source of all things, even the son of God.
Danny Dabbs,…….The key is in what way he was begotten? , was it when he was born on this earth, was it before he was born on this earth, or was it when he was “born again” after he was born on this earth?
JESUS SAID, “YOU “MUST” BE BORN AGAIN”, so, was Jesus not the first man to be “BORN AGAIN” from above, born of the “fullness” of God the Father’s, Holy Spirit after his baptizim by John in the Jordan river? AND WAS HE NOT THE FIRST “human being” to be resurected, after death, back to life again?
True believers answer…..YES
False believers answer…..NO
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene.
Proclaimer, Jesus was not the “only” one that came from God, “ADAM AND EVE” CAME “DIRECTLY” FROM GOD.
Jesus did not come directly from God, he came from Adams and Eve’s , offspring, “Abraham”, according to scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Proclaimer, Jesus was not the “only” one that came from God, “ADAM AND EVE” CAME “DIRECTLY” FROM GOD.
Not so.
- Eve came through Adam.
- Adam was created from things already created like the dust of the earth. The spirit that made him a living soul came from God. That is the same spirit that makes us live too.
Whereas, Jesus was born through Mary because he came in the flesh.
Before that, he was sent from Heaven and is now back in Heaven in the glory he had before the universe. God made the universe through the son of God. His name is the Word of God and all things were made through him. And obviously, he wasn’t made through himself.
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