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Hi Berean,
YOU: Read Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.
ME: Exactly, THE SON OF MAN has his own glory!! This verse seems to speak totally against you Berean, as it speaks to the Son of Man having his own glory.
What does the passage mean?
The Son of Man Jesus, is coming in the glory of the Father, because Jesus has His Spirit upon him directing all his ways. Jesus will also once again on earth do the work of the Father in the Father’s name. He is the man ordained of God to judge the quick and the dead, and he will do so not with his own eyes and ears, but through the Spirit of God that has been eternally bestowed upon him, the Spirit that is life because of RIGHTEOUSNESS.
The Son of Man Jesus, is coming in his own glory, he was raised a firstborn of many, where unlike all the rest that sleep the sleep of death, his body was not allowed to see decay before it was changed into a human body of glory, power, made incorruptible. As the firstborn of many who had died for our sins, he received a portion with the great, and he has received the honor to divide the spoil with the strong. The Son of Man Jesus comes in the glory as a king of kings and a lord of lords. He has glory as the leader over the Saints to complete God’s purpose for why God created all things in the first place.
Berean, Jesus is returning having the glory of the one man to whom God declared from the beginning would come and execute God’s purpose.
Isaiah 11:10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.
Before the Son of Man went to die on the cross, he asked God for the glory that was from God for the Son of Man that God had declared from the beginning!
Jodi
calm down JODI
don’t get excited like that.
You just told me:You
You are not getting my point at all.
Jesus is still a man, and you are told that he as a man has the glory of the Father.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
I have answered you
Not Only in the Glory of the Father but
In His OWN Glory….
Read Luk 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and [in his] Father’s, and of the holy angels.
IN HIS OWN GLORY….ABD FATHER’S GLORY
JODI WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT?
ANSWERS ME PLEASE
God bless
Jodi
If Jesus were only a man, he could not judge the good and the bad …
think a little
Jesus is called THE WORD and he is God made flesh.
If you don’t believe this part of the truth, you cannot understand the rest and you will continue to preach an outlaw Christ ….Jodi, is this statement what you believe, yes, no, or don’t know.
The messiah’s name is Jesus and also The Word of God. He is Jesus but he is not The Word of God.
Yes or no.
And I realise you will not an answer this directly because you are not honest enough. Can you see the deceit in your heart now?
mike, (1 John 1:1) “our hands have handled, of the Word of life”
Hi Edj,
1 John1:1 That which was from the beginning,(GOD ALL KNOWING: JESUS CHRIST IN THE FLESH)
which we have heard, ( FIRST THROUGH SCRIPTURES and AFTER WITH OUR EARS; THE GOSPEL)
which we have seen with our eyes,( THE SON OF MAN)
which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, (AFTER THE SON OF MAN CAME BACK TO LIFE)
of the word of life:
YOU: Hi Mike,
This verse is about John and other apostles talking part in writing “The Bible”.
…it does not mean that they were touching Jesus’ flesh.
You get so far off-tract when you don’t understand…“The Word” of God is God’s “HolySpirit”, not Jesus:
ME: I’m afraid Mike is right, to accept the fact that John wrote in that manner and focussed on
THE PHYSICAL SENSES OF
THE HUMAN FLESH SUBSTANCE!
First and foremost THE WHOLE CAUSE OF OUR CREATION IS PRECISELY
THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FLESH.
CURSED!
AS GOD WAS TOTALLY
CONCERNED
FOR THE IMPERFECT
Simply as Lucifer never accepted God’s process in order for Him
TO BE PHYSICAL, TANGIBLE, AND VISIBLE FOR ALL TO SEE HIM SIMPLY
BECOME FLESH!
GODMAN.
Lucifer simply rebelled, AFTER HE WAS DENIED THE BEATIC VISION, while still within a probation period.
Thus he opted to confront God as he felt that he
THE ANGEL OF LIGHT by whom all the heavenly realms were ENLIGHTENED physically, also AS A SPIRIT, and SPIRITS ABIDE and LIVE ONLY IN BODIES, had every right to be
LIKE THE MOST HIGH, and HIMSELF OWN
THE PHYSICAL ENTITY OF THE FLESH, EVIL, MORTAL, FILTHY, CORRUPTED AND SO ON IN SHORT
AGAINST GOD,
ALL THAT GOD WAS NOT AND HAD NOT ACCREDITED IT ALL TO HIMSELF TILL GOD PROVES OTHERWISE.
Thus God ALL KNOWING, established “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, the only
SPIRIT/MEDIATOR who could be the source of what
GOD COULD NOT,
SIMPLY TO SHIELD, TO PROTECT, TO SEPARATE and UNIFY IN THE SAME TIME ALL,
BETWEEN GOD THE PERFECT and HIS CREATURES SPECIFICALLY THE IMPERFECT.Hebrews 4:12
CONSEQUENTLY, God attributed to Him! THE FULL POWER OF GOD, and
ETERNAL LIFE, ENGRAFTED ONE SUBSTANCE AND IN THE SAME INSTANT DISTINCT,
FOR THE SAKE OF FREE WILL, IN THE BEGINNING LUCIFER PRECISELY IN
LUCIFER’S HEART,
THE HEART OF STONE TO BE. SIMPLY TO BE SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev. 13 :8 BY WHICH TASK, GOD WOULD NEVER ERADICATE THE LEAST OF HIS CREATURES NO MATTER HOW EVIL THEY BECOME UNLESS HE COMMIT
A SUICIDE and ERADICATES HIMSELF IN
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE.
OUR LORD TO BE.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord(JESUS) that do all these things.
5And this is the declaration which we have heard from him, and declare unto you:
That God is light,
and in him there is no darkness.
THUS THE BATTLE FOR THE FLESH BODY started on this planet, LUCIFER’S.
Purposely created VERY GOOD both POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE, WHERE ORIGINALLY OUR PLANET WAS
PHYSICALLY IN TOTAL HARMONY WITH GOD.
WITHOUT THE NEED OF THE SUN THE PHYSICAL LIGHT AND ITS PROCESS.
IT WAS VITAL FOR JOHN, A SPIRITUAL WRITER TO PROCLAIM
GOD IN FLESH ON EARTH IN JESUS CHRIST.
In those days GNOSTIC BELIEF was powerful. Well pinpointed out in
2John1:7 For many seducers are gone out into the world,
who confess not
that Jesus Christ (pre-existed) is COME in the flesh:
this is a seducer and an antichrist.
1John5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that
Jesus is the Son of God?
6This is he that came by water and blood, ( SOUL and FLESH), Jesus Christ:
not by water(SPIRIT) only, but by water and blood.(HUMAN)
And it is the Spirit which testifieth,
that Christ is the truth. (MANIFESTED ON EARTH GOD MADE MAN)
Jeremiah 32:26And the word of the Lord came to Jeremias, saying:
27Behold I am the Lord (JESUS CHRIST)
THE God of all flesh: (John 17:2)
shall anything be hard for me?
1John4:1Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2By this is the spirit of God known.
Every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ( PRE-EXISTED) is COME in the flesh, is of God:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
mike, (1 John 1:1) “our hands have handled, of the Word of life”
Hi Edj,
1 John1:1 That which was from the beginning,(GOD ALL KNOWING: JESUS CHRIST IN THE FLESH)
which we have heard, ( FIRST THROUGH SCRIPTURES and AFTER WITH OUR EARS; THE GOSPEL)
which we have seen with our eyes,( THE SON OF MAN)
which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, (AFTER THE SON OF MAN CAME BACK TO LIFE)
of the word of life:Hi Carmel,
Thanks for explaining how you understand the verse in light of what I said.
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God bless
Ed JHi Edj.
I think you’re the only one here who thinks the Holy Spirit will come to Earth on a horse. But I guess you have the gematria to back that one up, so it must be legit. Lol.
Jodi
The Son of God IS from the biginning “the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,”
THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER
AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON( GOD’S PERSON)
AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH
THE GLORIOUS SON OF GOD WAS MADE FLESH…..
Gene
Or Jodi
Show me in the Bible when a word of God or words of God are fulfilled, that it is used THE EXPRESSION “BE MADE FLESH”.
Thank’sBerean. You will lucky to get a straight answer out of these guys. This is their tactic when they are stumped. I hope they can see their own deceit and I pray it leads them to repentance.
Jodi, is this statement what you believe, yes, no, or don’t know.
The messiah’s name is Jesus and also The Word of God. He is Jesus but he is not The Word of God.
Yes or no.
And I realise you will not an answer this directly because you are not honest enough. Can you see the deceit in your heart now?
Ed: Hi Mike,
This verse is about John and other apostles talking part in writing “The Bible”.
…it does not mean that thay were touching Jesus flesh.
You get so far off tract when you don’t understand…“The Word” of God is God’s “HolySpirit”, not Jesus:
Hmm… so many places we could start. We could go through 1 John 1 verse by verse and see if your “Bible” theory holds up. Or you could explain how the Bible is riding a horse in Rev 19:13. But let’s start with my last post to Jodi. Do you agree that John the Baptizer made a statement about THE WORD in John 1:15, and then made the same statement about JESUS, THE LAMB OF GOD in 1:30?
Ed: Hi Mike,
This verse is about John and other apostles talking part in writing “The Bible”.
…it does not mean that thay were touching Jesus flesh.
You get so far off tract when you don’t understand…“The Word” of God is God’s “HolySpirit”, not Jesus:
Hmm… so many places we could start. We could go through 1 John 1 verse by verse and see if your “Bible” theory holds up. Or you could explain how the Bible is riding a horse in Rev 19:13.
Hi Mike,
It’s easily explained in one verse:
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63)The Bible is more than “words”, “The Bible is Spirit.
words are spirit – “The Word” is the (Holy)Spirit“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
(Like Jesus Apostles cited in 1John 1:1) spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)But let’s start with my last post to Jodi. Do you agree that John the Baptizer made a statement about THE WORD in John 1:15, and then made the same statement about JESUS, THE LAMB OF GOD in 1:30?
Hi Mike,
1) “14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he
of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.” (John 1:14-15)1) “The Word” was made flesh when Jesus was baptized with God’s HolySpirit
and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father.You seem to be forgetting that they did not behold Jesus’ “glory” until AFTER he was baptized with God’s HolySpirit
2) “29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God,
which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh
a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.” (John 1:29-30)“And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me,
Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he
which baptizeth with the Holy Spirit. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.” (John 1:32-34)John bore record that Jesus was “the Son of God” AFTER Jesus was baptized with God’s HolySpirit.
fulfilling the prophecy in Luke 1:35 concerning him…“therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)
John was the first (chronologically) to call Jesus “the Son of God” starting at Jesus baptism.
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God bless
Ed JHi Mike,
One reason I like discussing the bible with you is: You like me,
listen to the points others make and address those points.Not everyone here at this site does that. They keep instead regurgitating
the same old refuted tired arguments over and over. That being said:My goal is not to convince you that your view is wrong; but
instead to explain my view – citing the relevant Scripture.
The truth doesn’t need to be defended, only to be told.____________
God bless
Ed JBeware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
GODHEAD= DIVINITY
IN JESUS CHRIST DWELLETH ALL THE
FULNESS OF THE DIVINITY BODILY
IN JESUS CHRIST THERE IS
THE DIVINITY UNITED TO HUMANITY
EMMANUEL: GOD WITH USBehold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.(Mathew 1:23)
God bless
Ed…
But let’s start with my last post to Jodi. Do you agree that John the Baptizer made a statement about THE WORD in John 1:15, and then made the same statement about JESUS, THE LAMB OF GOD in 1:30?
Jodi and Gene,
Matthew 3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
Do you guys believe this statement? I’ll assume that you realize nothing is impossible for God, and that He could indeed raise up a son for Abraham out of a stone if He chose to. So knowing this, let’s pretend that Jesus was raised up as a son of Abraham/Jesse/David FROM A STONE instead of born of Mary and the Holy Spirit.
Would that change a single thing about Jesus’ deeds in the NT, or about the OT prophesies concerning him? He still would have come from Bethlehem. He still would have been foretold to rule forever from the throne of David. He still would have been given the Spirit without measure. Etc, etc, etc.
So every single one of the scriptures Jodi posts to “prove” that Jesus was foretold to be a human being would still all apply. Not one of them would need to be omitted or changed in any way. But at the same time, this statement would ALSO be just as true:
Jesus preexisted his humanity as a STONE.
Are you understanding now what we’ve told you so many times? YES, we ALL agree with EVERY ONE of your scriptures saying that Jesus would be/was a human being. But if God raised him up as a child of Abraham/Jesse/David FROM A STONE, then that blue statement above would be equally true – and so it could be said that Jesus was once a man AND Jesus was once a stone. Both would be EQUALLY true statements.
Can you guys agree to that? Can you understand that, if this was the case, there would be no amount of scriptures you could post saying Jesus was a man that would ever change the fact that first existed as a stone?
Likewise, there is no amount of scriptures you can post saying Jesus existed as a human that will ever change the scriptural fact that he first existed (and does again) as a spirit entity in heaven alongside his and our God, YHVH.
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