JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[Berean]

Jodi

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

For I came down from heaven,…

 

[Berean]

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

And he is BEFORE all things, and by him all things consist…..

 

[Berean]

Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me BEFORE(PRO)the foundation of the world.

[Berean]

with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE(PRO) the world was.

And he is BEFORE(PRO) all things, and by him all things consist…..

[Berean]

 

before
πρὸ (pro)
Preposition
Strong’s Greek 4253: A primary preposition; ‘fore’, i.e. In front of, prior to.

[Proclaimer]

πρὸ (pro) — 47 Occurrences

Pretty clear what the word means when you look at the other scriptures.

https://biblehub.com/greek/pro_4253.htm

Englishman’s Concordance Matthew 5:12 Prep GRK: προφήτας τοὺς πρὸ ὑμῶν NAS: the prophets who were before you. KJV: the prophets which were before you. INT: prophets who [were] before you Matthew 6:8 Prep GRK: χρείαν ἔχετε πρὸ τοῦ ὑμᾶς NAS: what you need before you ask Him. KJV: ye have need of, before ye ask INT: need you have before you Matthew 8:29 Prep GRK: ἦλθες ὧδε πρὸ καιροῦ βασανίσαι NAS: here to torment us before the time? KJV: to torment us before the time? INT: are you come here before [the] time to torment Matthew 11:10 Prep GRK: ἄγγελόν μου πρὸ προσώπου σου KJV: my messenger before thy face, INT: messenger of me before [the] face of you Matthew 24:38 Prep GRK: ἐκείναις ταῖς πρὸ τοῦ κατακλυσμοῦ NAS: days before the flood KJV: that were before the flood INT: those before the flood Mark 1:2 Prep GRK: ἄγγελόν μου πρὸ προσώπου σου NAS: MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO KJV: my messenger before thy face, INT: messenger of me before face of you Luke 2:21 Prep GRK: τοῦ ἀγγέλου πρὸ τοῦ συλλημφθῆναι NAS: by the angel before He was conceived KJV: of the angel before he was conceived INT: the angel before was conceived Luke 7:27 Prep GRK: ἄγγελόν μου πρὸ προσώπου σου NAS: MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO KJV: my messenger before thy face, INT: messenger of me before [the] face of you Luke 9:52 Prep GRK: ἀπέστειλεν ἀγγέλους πρὸ προσώπου αὐτοῦ NAS: messengers on ahead of Him, and they went KJV: sent messengers before his face: INT: he sent messengers before [the] face of him Luke 10:1 Prep GRK: δύο δύο πρὸ προσώπου αὐτοῦ NAS: them in pairs ahead of Him to every KJV: two and two before his face INT: pairs [by] pairs before [the] face of himself Luke 11:38 Prep GRK: πρῶτον ἐβαπτίσθη πρὸ τοῦ ἀρίστου NAS: ceremonially washed before the meal. KJV: first washed before dinner. INT: first he washed before the dinner Luke 21:12 Prep GRK: πρὸ δὲ τούτων NAS: But before all these things, KJV: But before all these, INT: Before however these things Luke 22:15 Prep GRK: μεθ’ ὑμῶν πρὸ τοῦ με NAS: Passover with you before I suffer; KJV: with you before I suffer: INT: with you before I John 1:48 Prep GRK: εἶπεν αὐτῷ Πρὸ τοῦ σε NAS: and said to him, Before Philip KJV: unto him, Before that Philip INT: said to him Before that you John 5:7 Prep GRK: ἐγὼ ἄλλος πρὸ ἐμοῦ καταβαίνει NAS: another steps down before me. KJV: another steppeth down before me. INT: I another before me descends John 10:8 Prep GRK: ὅσοι ἦλθον πρὸ ἐμοῦ κλέπται NAS: came before Me are thieves KJV: that ever came before me are INT: who ever came before me thieves John 11:55 Prep GRK: τῆς χώρας πρὸ τοῦ πάσχα NAS: out of the country before the Passover KJV: to Jerusalem before the passover, INT: the region before the passover John 12:1 Prep GRK: οὖν Ἰησοῦς πρὸ ἓξ ἡμερῶν NAS: six days before the Passover, came KJV: six days before the passover came INT: Therefore Jesus before six days John 13:1 Prep GRK: ΠΡΟ ΔΕ ΤΗΣ NAS: Now before the Feast of the Passover, KJV: Now before the feast of the passover, INT: before moreover the John 13:19 Prep GRK: λέγω ὑμῖν πρὸ τοῦ γενέσθαι NAS: on I am telling you before [it] comes KJV: I tell you before it come, that, INT: I tell you before it comes to pass John 17:5 Prep GRK: ᾗ εἶχον πρὸ τοῦ τὸν NAS: I had with You before the world KJV: with thee before the world was. INT: which I had before the John 17:24 Prep GRK: ἠγάπησάς με πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου NAS: Me, for You loved Me before the foundation KJV: me before the foundation INT: you loved me before [the] foundation of [the] world Acts 5:36 Prep GRK: πρὸ γὰρ τούτων NAS: For some time ago Theudas rose KJV: For before these days INT: before indeed these Acts 12:6 Prep GRK: φύλακές τε πρὸ τῆς θύρας NAS: and guards in front of the door KJV: and the keepers before the door kept INT: guards also before the door Acts 12:14 Prep GRK: τὸν Πέτρον πρὸ τοῦ πυλῶνος NAS: was standing in front of the gate. KJV: Peter stood before the gate. INT: Peter before the gate Acts 13:24 Prep GRK: προκηρύξαντος Ἰωάννου πρὸ προσώπου τῆς NAS: had proclaimed before His coming KJV: had first preached before his INT: having before proclaimed John before [the] face the Acts 14:13 Prep GRK: τοῦ ὄντος πρὸ τῆς πόλεως NAS: of Zeus, whose [temple] was just outside the city, KJV: which was before their city, INT: who was before the city Acts 21:38 Prep GRK: Αἰγύπτιος ὁ πρὸ τούτων τῶν NAS: time ago stirred up a revolt KJV: that Egyptian, which before these INT: Egyptian who before these the Acts 23:15 Prep GRK: ἡμεῖς δὲ πρὸ τοῦ ἐγγίσαι NAS: to slay him before he comes near KJV: and we, or ever he come near, INT: we moreover before drawing near Romans 16:7 Prep GRK: οἳ καὶ πρὸ ἐμοῦ γέγοναν NAS: also were in Christ before me. KJV: in Christ before me. INT: who also before me were 1 Corinthians 2:7 Prep GRK: ὁ θεὸς πρὸ τῶν αἰώνων NAS: predestined before the ages KJV: God ordained before the world unto INT: God before the ages 1 Corinthians 4:5 Prep GRK: ὥστε μὴ πρὸ καιροῦ τι NAS: do not go on passing judgment before the time, KJV: judge nothing before the time, until INT: So that not before [the] time anything 2 Corinthians 12:2 Prep GRK: ἐν Χριστῷ πρὸ ἐτῶν δεκατεσσάρων NAS: years ago– whether KJV: fourteen years ago, (whether in INT: in Christ ago years fourteen Galatians 1:17 Prep GRK: πρὸς τοὺς πρὸ ἐμοῦ ἀποστόλους NAS: who were apostles before me; but I went away KJV: them which were apostles before me; INT: to those [who were] before me apostles Galatians 2:12 Prep GRK: πρὸ τοῦ γὰρ NAS: For prior to the coming of certain men KJV: For before that certain came INT: prior indeed Galatians 3:23 Prep GRK: Πρὸ τοῦ δὲ NAS: But before faith came, KJV: But before faith came, INT: before moreover Ephesians 1:4 Prep GRK: ἐν αὐτῷ πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου NAS: as He chose us in Him before the foundation KJV: him before the foundation INT: in him before [the] foundation of [the] world Colossians 1:17 Prep GRK: αὐτὸς ἔστιν πρὸ πάντων καὶ NAS: He is before all KJV: he is before all things, and INT: he is before all and 2 Timothy 1:9 Prep GRK: Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων KJV: Christ Jesus before the world began, INT: Christ Jesus before time eternal 2 Timothy 4:21 Prep GRK: Σπούδασον πρὸ χειμῶνος ἐλθεῖν NAS: to come before winter. KJV: to come before winter. INT: Be earnest before winter to come Titus 1:2 Prep GRK: ἀψευδὴς θεὸς πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων NAS: promised long ages ago, KJV: promised before the world INT: who cannot lie God before time eternal Hebrews 11:5 Prep GRK: ὁ θεός πρὸ γὰρ τῆς NAS: HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken KJV: him: for before his translation INT: God before indeed the James 5:9 Prep GRK: ὁ κριτὴς πρὸ τῶν θυρῶν NAS: is standing right at the door. KJV: the judge standeth before the door. INT: the judge before the doors James 5:12 Prep GRK: Πρὸ πάντων δέ NAS: But above all, my brethren, KJV: But above all things, my INT: Before all things however 1 Peter 1:20 Prep GRK: προεγνωσμένου μὲν πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου NAS: For He was foreknown before the foundation KJV: was foreordained before the foundation INT: having been foreknown indeed before [the] foundation of [the] world 1 Peter 4:8 Prep GRK: πρὸ πάντων τὴν NAS: Above all, keep KJV: And above all things have INT: before all things Jude 1:25 Prep GRK: καὶ ἐξουσία πρὸ παντὸς τοῦ NAS: and authority, before all INT: and authority before all

[carmel]

 

Hi Gene,

YOU: Carmel……The seed Jesus was talking about is the seed of the kingdom of God, which he went about sowing in people. He was not talking about seed as relating to his linage from Abraham, as what Paul was talking about.

Man are you ever screwed up in you thinking,  what makes you think you can move contexts of thing written to fit your own “spicial” thinking, when things arn’t even hinted at what you say.  Do you realize how ignorant those false asumptions of your makes you out to be?

Gene, I  repeat what I told you in the last post, HERE IT COMES: 

First and foremost

WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPIRITUAL DOCTRINE I’M AFRAID YOU AND Jodi with every respect  ARE SIMPLY

DEAD!

ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS DOCTRINE IT IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO

“THE WORD”

DESPITE THE FACT THAT SCRIPTURE MADE IT ABSOLUTE TRUTH THAT

“THE WORD” IS JESUS 

THE SON

OF MAN,

 

CAN YOU SEE WHAT IS THE TRUTH HIDDEN BEHIND the title SON of man, Gene?

NEVER, NEVER, and NEVER!

Now read the pure truth:

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this:

The seed is “THE WORD” of God. and

“THE WORD” is JESUS, the SON of man!

I SAID Gene that

“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN IS 

THE SEED OF GOD!

NOW READ SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER AGAIN, RESPECT IT, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CONTEXT IS

ABOUT GOD AND THE PROCESS OF HIS DIVINITY AD INTRA.

NOT

ABOUT THE CORRUPTED PROCESS OF MAN AND THE WORLD.

THUS DISCERN THE HIDDEN MEANING FOR A CHANGE:

Colossians 1:Who is the image of the invisible God,

(THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD PRE-EXISTED BEFORE THE WORLD WAS UNKNOWN TO THE HEAVENLY REALMS John 1:31)

the firstborn of every creature: (PRE-EXISTED)

16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.

IN THE ABOVE Gene, SCRIPTURE IS MORE THAN CLEAR THAT AS JOHN SAID REGARDING

“THE WORD”

All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.

NOW ON THIS CORRUPTED WORLD WE HAVE TONS OF DIFFERENT SEEDS APART 

HUMAN SEED/SPERMA, AND WITH RESPECT OF THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE Gene, ATTENTION:

ALL THE SEEDS ON THIS PLANET 

ARE MADE BY

HERE IT COMES Gene: BY 

THE SEED OF GOD

“THE WORD” A SPIRIT OF GOD.

WHO WAS MADE FLESH

JESUS, THE SON

of MAN

GET THIS INTO YOUR CARNAL MINDED MENTALITY, Gene,

 THAT WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES 

THERE ‘S NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES WHICH IS NOT CREATED BY 

THE ONE AND ONLY ONE UNIQUE

 SPIRIT

“THE WORD”, Jesus, the Son of Man

GOT IT Gene,  read what you said now;

The seed Jesus was talking about is the seed of the kingdom of God, which he went about sowing in people. He was not talking about the seed as relating to his linage from Abraham, as what Paul was talking about.

FOR YOU, JODI, AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE 

CARNALLY STAGNATED,

THE THINGS IN GENERAL OF GOD ARE LIKE 

THE THINGS OF HUMANS!

NOW READ SCRIPTURE Gene:

Isaiah 55:11

For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth,

so are my ways exalted above your ways,

and my thoughts above your thoughts.

10And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11So shall my WORD be,( JESUS’ SPIRIT, THE SON OF MAN )

which shall go forth from my mouth: 

it shall not return to me void, ( BUT GLORIFIED GODMAN)

but it shall do whatsoever I please, (DID YOU GET THIS? Gene, EVEN ALL THE SEEDS OF THIS WORLD, NEVER MIND THE CORRUPTED FILTHY SPERMA!)

and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.

 

Man are you ever screwed up in your thinking,

what makes you think you can move contexts of thing written to fit your own

“special” thinking,

when things aren’t even hinted at what you say.

  Do you realize how IGNORANT those false assumptions of your makes you out to be?

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

 

 

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel…..Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was God the Fathers “WORD”   SO how do you reconcile this what Jesus “actually” said,  remember this is not me saying this , it is Jesus “himself”……“the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words but the words of him who “sent” me.”  Tell me, if Jesus himself says the words he spoke were “NOT” his words, but the words of him who sent him. TELL US SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU OR JESUS? 

• I chose to believe “the “man” Jesus and what he said, concerning whose words they were, he was telling us ,  not you, sorry, and I also believe this he said ,  “this is “eternal” life , that the might know “YOU”  THE “ONLY”  “TRUE” GOD…….,

I ALSO THINK I will believe what Paul said over you also,  “but unto us there is but “ONE” GOD and one mediator between God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ”.   

O and let’s not forget what Jesus quoted,  the “shema”,  “Hear O Israel, the  LORD (Yehovah)  “OUR” GOD, IS “ONE” LORD (Yehovah). ”  I see no mention of a triune God there do you? 

And let not forget what God the Father himself self said also…..“You shall have “NO” OTHER God, besides me”.  You shall make “no” image of me in heaven above or earth below”.  

So tell us again who should we believe, you or what the Apostles,  Jesus,  and God the Father said? , I know who I will believe and it is not you, Carmel. Your self proclaimed “insperational enlightenments”,   is nothing but pure deception given you by a delusional spirit sent to all those who “love not the truth”.  2THS2. 

Peace and love to you and yours………gene

 

[Proclaimer]

..Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was God the Fathers “WORD” SO how do you reconcile this what Jesus “actually” said, remember this is not me saying this , it is Jesus “himself”……“the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words but the words of him who “sent” me.” Tell me, if Jesus himself says the words he spoke were “NOT” his words, but the words of him who sent him. TELL US SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU OR JESUS?

Some poor reasoning here.

Tell me where Jesus mentioned Michael the archangel.

Mustn’t exist then right? See how silly your argument is?

Further, he emptied himself and learned obedience.

Now he is back in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

You have free will, so can choose to either believe or not.

[Jodi]

Hi Berean,

I see you posted scriptures that I have numerous times addressed by applying them to other scriptures so you could see the VERY SIMPLE given truth. You just ignore and go around in circles.

Jesus said he came down from heaven, yes of course, he came to us directly from God exactly according to God’s word given in prophecy. YHVH’s word that He spoke to Isaiah and to David as well as other prophets was made true in the flesh in more ways than one.  Jesus said that he was not of this world like the apostles were not of this world, that he was sent as they were sent. So…….? YOUR JUST SILENT about that verse?… and you REFUSE to apply CERTAIN WORDS FROM JESUS THAT DON’T FIT your doctrine, let alone apply YHVH’s word spoken beforehand.

WITH is a word that represents OF. Jesus was not ignorant to OT scripture concerning himself, he even quoted it concerning himself. He most certainly asked YHVH for the glory that was OF YHVH for him that YHVH had declared from the beginning. It’s like you don’t pay attention to the WORD of YHVH given to you nor bother to actually argue against the direct points I give you based on scripture, it’s ridiculous.

Berean, YHVH knew us before we were born, you don’t think He likewise knew and loved Jesus before he was born? You don’t think He created all things out of love? Have you ZERO concept that YHVH is ALL KNOWING and ALL POWERFUL and that everything unfolds according to His hands and determined purpose? 

YHVH’s purpose was to make mankind in His own image and give them eternal life. Jesus is that firstborn of many brethren. but you make him into a false god.

[GeneBalthrop]

Proclaimer….your response is what is rediclious, here is why,  if you said Jesus was Michael the Arch Angel,  then I could reasonable ask you where did Jesus himself ever say that, and that would be a right and worthy question,  right?,  why?,  because it is addressing who Jesus “really” is, and,  that question has nothing to do with the fact that there is a Arch angel Michael who exists,  why?, because his existence is not the subject matter. 

If you and others say Jesus “is” “the word”  of God, and Jesus says,  the words he was telling us “is not “his” words,  then my question is appropriate why ?, because it is concerning who Jesus “really is”,  your response changes “subject matter”,  mine does not .  That’s  the difference , we ask ligimate question and give scriptures that deal with them, and you people change subject matter, so you won’t have to deal with those “LIGIMATE”  questions and scriptures we post.

IT’S like playing a shell game with you people, when you can’t deal with the question and scriptures we give, you simple switch subjects, and try to render what we ask as rediclious. But those who really love the truth will not ignore them, and the light that is in them will be increased.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

 

 

[Berean]

Jésus IS THE CREATOR AND chief of the Angels because God create all things by HIM.It IS why Bible name HIM ARCHANGEL

ARCH=CHIEF

ARCHANGEL = CHIEF OF THE ANGELS

MICHAËL= WHO IS LIKE GOD ?

JESUS IS LIKE GOD AND ALSO LIKE HUMAN….AND HE LIVE LIKE A MAN MUST LIVE IN THE WAYS OF GOD

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

AMEN ALLELOUIA !

 

THANKS GOD FOR YOU OWN BELOVED SON

 

[carmel]

Hi Gene,

YOU:Carmel…..Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was God the Fathers “WORD” 

Gene,

Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was a

A JEW BUT WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURE HE DEFINITELY WAS.

Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was a

A SON OF ABRAHAM BUT WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES HE DEFINITELY WAS.

Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was a

A SON OF DAVID BUT WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES HE DEFINITELY WAS.

Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was a

PROPHET BUT WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES HE DEFINITELY WAS.

Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was a

PREACHER BUT WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES HE DEFINITELY WAS.

THAT’S ENOUGH OF THAT STUFF!

NOW TO THE TRUTH:

Show “ONE” SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS ever said he was

THE “WORD” OF GOD

HE NEVER SAID SO DIRECTLY,

BUT WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES HE DEFINITELY WAS.

 

THAT WILL DO GENE

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[Jodi]

Hi Berean,

Christ Jesus =  the ANOINTED Jesus.

WHEN was Jesus ANOINTED? At the river Jordan of course!

What was he anointed with? The Spirit of YHVH without measure of course!

What did that make him exist as? In the form of YHVH of course!

but people didn’t believe him and it made him cry out, 

“44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Berean, you want to tell me that Jesus “left his glory behind”, when the truth is that he BECAME GLORY upon his anointing, which people witnessed and beheld that glory as he was sent out into the world, the glory of the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE SPIRIT OF YHVH WITHOUT MEASURE who was FILLED with grace and TRUTH able to speak THE WORD of YHVH because the Spirit had descended upon him.  Such is YHVH’s WORD that was declared from the beginning, later given to Isaiah, then MADE TRUE IN THE FLESH.

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel…..but Jesus did say ‘himself” this,  “the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY WORDS,  but the Words of him that sent me”. 

We don’t have to assume anything  about that, now do we? Question is,  do you “truly” believe what Jesus himself said?

Peace and love to you and yours………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Berean…..Why did you deliberately leave off the rest of verse 10?    where it show we bow our knee to Jesus, to the “glory of God”.  

Is it because you want Jesus to be your God? 2ths2. 

Peace and love to you and yours…….gene

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer and All,

The below scriptures teach us that YHVH’s WORD before the world began was a promise of eternal life unto mankind, where all flesh would come to worship Him as they inhabit the earth. We are also taught that YHVH SAITH that He HIMSELF formed the earth and made it.

We are given in YHVH’s WORD, not only who formed and created the earth, but also we are given that there was a PURPOSE established before it was even created. 

Furthermore we are given that YHVH foreknew and predestinated  people to be glorified. YHVH sanctifies and ordains even before being formed in the womb. He thus most certainly loves before one even exists.

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to HIS PURPOSE. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 

Jeremiah 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. 

 

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer and All,

1 John 1: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Eternal Life was WITH the Father from the beginning, it was promised before the world even began unto man. The people witnessed the promised glory that was WITH/PARA/FROM/OF the Father before the world was,  when they saw with their eyes and handled with their hands, the resurrected MAN JESUS. 

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer and All,

Scripture gives us a clear message. 

We know that which was THE WORD that was WITH YHVH from the beginning, eternal life for the flesh creature that YHVH had made, human beings.

His PURPOSE was for humans to live with His Spirit upon them for all eternity, where humans are Sons being led by that Spirit that is upon them. Jesus became THE WORD made true in the flesh, where the people were a witness, seeing and touching THE WORD made true, the resurrected Jesus.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Seeing the resurrected Jesus was to produce faith and hope in God, as Jesus’s resurrection was promised to be their resurrection. As we are promised to have our grave open and receive the Holy Spirit, we are told that Jesus was raised receiving the promised Holy Spirit, given for all eternity. We have been promised to be JOINT heirs with Jesus, being heirs of God where those who have the Spirit upon them being led by the Spirit are Sons of God. 

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

Romans 8:6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Romans 8:10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him,Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Jesus was the only mortal man to have received the Spirit not by measure. That Spirit gives life because of righteousness, as that Spirit causes you to walk in all of God’s ways where you thus are not worthy of death. As Jesus was not worthy of death he was raised from the dead receiving the glory that was PROMISED from God for mankind declared from the beginning.

God could justify ALL sins through the anointed Jesus, because Jesus is proof that the Spirit does cause righteousness. This was for us to know, so that we would seek God, trust in Him and His word, and desire His Spirit, seek to be a joint heir with Jesus. We are promised to be begotten of the Spirit as he was, have it come to dwell upon us causing us to walk in all of God’s ways. 

Jesus is the Son of Man returning in the glory of the Father to reward us with that same glory, which was THE WORD from the beginning. Jesus will sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh where he is a Son of God according to the Spirit, as he had been raised from the dead having received that Spirit ACCORDING TO THE WORD that was WITH the Father from the beginning. He has a name above all names as God anointed him with gladness above his brothers and sisters, he sits on his father David’s throne as a king of kings and a lord of lords. YHVH had made all things including dominions and thrones by reason of and for him. Without the WORD of the new beginning, the new heaven and earth which Jesus is firstborn and head over, nothing that YHVH says that He had made by Himself, would have been made.

[Berean]

Jodi

You

Christ Jesus =  the ANOINTED Jesus.

WHEN was Jesus ANOINTED? At the river Jordan of course!

What was he anointed with? The Spirit of YHVH without measure of course!

What did that make him exist as? In the form of YHVH of course

Me

ONE

Who, being in the form of God,

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thought it was not a flight on par with God:
[7] But no reputation was made,

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and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

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[8] And being found fashionable as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, unto the death of the cross.

JODI ONE THING AFTER THE OTHER

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