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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2008,03:44) Nick….so you or the (WE), don't hear what Jesus said then right, John 6:63…> It is Spirit that quickeneth: (brings to life) the flesh prophets (nothing): the (WORDS) that I (SPEAK) unto you, (ARE) SPIRIT (AND) (ARE) LIFE.. Now with that said let us put it together , what is Spirit= WORDS, what is LIFE then=WORDS. simple so far right Nick and the (WE) , Now lets do a little more simple logic or GOD given Reasoning. What is a WORD is it not the expression of ones (INTELLECT). So Spirit has to be INTELLECT, that guides the mind, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, Nick and the (WE)>
If I or some other being were to remove all words out of your mind , you would not be able to reason or speak or understand anyhing you would be void of (any) intelligence at all. If you or the (WE) can't see GOD (INTELLECT) in Bacteria, slugs all the way up to the most intellegent human , then you don't see GOD at ALL. Jesus said the WORDS (ARE) LIFE and they (ARE) SPIRIT. You and the “WE” need to believe what is written Nick.
And trying to lead me into a stupid postion is not the way the “we” or You should be. May MY GOD reward you all according to you treachery.
gene
Gb,
We do not paste scriptures together with logic.
Let scripture speak without embellishment.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2008,05:03) Wj…..Show me a scripture that shows intellect is separate from Spirit then, if we believe Jesus who said the Words (ARE) Spirit then they (ARE) Spirit then, and show me were a (WORD) is not the expression of intellect, and i will believe you. WJ…we may not be alike on a lot of things but it does my heart good to know you believe in the ultimate salvation of all. For God will have mercy on Him who have Mercy.
Dealing with people in your church and seeing all their short comings will cause you to be merciful. And Jesus our brother himself is a Merciful High Priest also.
peace to you …..gene
Hi Gene:Jesus said the Words that I speak are “spirit and they are life”. They become spirit when we obey them, and so we become like Jesus as we apply what he has taught us to our daily life.
942767………The words Jesus spoke (are) Spirit because all words are Spirit, they may not all be HOLY SPIRIT, but they are Spirit (the expressing of intellect, so we are told to try the Spirits to see if they are of GOD. When we are trying the Spirits we are trying the words someone is speaking because they proceed forth from the heart and mind are do express the intellect of that mind. 94, words are Spirit rather we obey them or not, obeying them does not make Spirit they were spirit anyway.
Therefore the kingdom of God is like a man who planted seed in his field and went to sleep and rose and continued to rise and sleep the seed began to grow first the blade then the stock and then the head and the man knew (NOT how IT Grow) because the earth brings forth of (ITSELF). The field or earth is the heart and the seed is the (WORD) of GOD, it will of (ITSELF) produce if planted in our heart. This is a good example of what i am saying (GOD'S SPIRIT) SEED that once sown PRODUCES OF OR BY ITSELF> Doesn't need our help. For you are saved by (GRACE) (Gods influencing on the heart) and that (NOT OF YOURSELVES) Sorry 94, our help is not needed we are bing (CREATED) unto good works by the power of God, no glory goes to us, only GOD Himself. No one will ever be able to boast God has made sure of that. I am not saying you are boasting at all.
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
GB,
This is where you depart from scripture and go into philosophy.
“all words are Spirit,”It is not written.
But some prefer the world's teachings.GB,
The fruit of a man's heart is indeed found in his mouth.Nothing to do with understanding and other intellectual matters.
Nick……how simple are you? you don't even know what a man speaks comes from the mind or Heart and that defiles the man. I gave you the dictionary definition of the word intellect.You even admit the fruit of a mans heart is indeed found in his mouth, which is not exactly right , its what comes (OUT) of his mouth, and what comes out of a man mouth, (WORDS) ,and you go on to say that has “nothing to do with understanding and other intellectual matters. How foolish of you Nick to even think that brother. Is the thinking of the “WE” also.?
love and peace…………….gene
GB,
It pays not to be too clever.
The clever ones are confounded by the simplicity of the Word of God.False understandings bewitch and befuddle men and make them become false teachers.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2008,12:49) 942767………The words Jesus spoke (are) Spirit because all words are Spirit, they may not all be HOLY SPIRIT, but they are Spirit (the expressing of intellect, so we are told to try the Spirits to see if they are of GOD. When we are trying the Spirits we are trying the words someone is speaking because they proceed forth from the heart and mind are do express the intellect of that mind. 94, words are Spirit rather we obey them or not, obeying them does not make Spirit they were spirit anyway. Therefore the kingdom of God is like a man who planted seed in his field and went to sleep and rose and continued to rise and sleep the seed began to grow first the blade then the stock and then the head and the man knew (NOT how IT Grow) because the earth brings forth of (ITSELF). The field or earth is the heart and the seed is the (WORD) of GOD, it will of (ITSELF) produce if planted in our heart. This is a good example of what i am saying (GOD'S SPIRIT) SEED that once sown PRODUCES OF OR BY ITSELF> Doesn't need our help. For you are saved by (GRACE) (Gods influencing on the heart) and that (NOT OF YOURSELVES) Sorry 94, our help is not needed we are bing (CREATED) unto good works by the power of God, no glory goes to us, only GOD Himself. No one will ever be able to boast God has made sure of that. I am not saying you are boasting at all.
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Hi Gene:The words that a person speaks if they are coming from his heart are part of that person's spirit. They are coming from that person's heart, but in order for them to become part of your spirit then you must obey them for them to become part of your spirit.
A thought does not become a part of a person's spirit until it is obeyed in a person's heart.
Quote Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: Quote Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word. Mar 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Mar 4:16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
Mar 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
Mar 4:18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
Mar 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Mar 4:20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive [it], and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
Some of the seed produced good fruit and some did not produce at all.
Coming from the heart is just an expression. Thoughts begin in your mind/spirit/intellect, whatever you want to call it. You first have to decide in your mind what you want to say, it's not your heart that forms your words, all your heart does is pump blood.
Georg
Nick…..Georg is right the word heart in scripture is same as Mind Spirit or intellect, they are interchangeable in meaning .
love ……………gene
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Hi Georg,
So we are more thinkers than heart people?
Ask your dear wifeDon't think I understand that one, Nick.
GeorgHi Nick! Some of us do not know the difference between Heart and mind! (thinkers) It takes mostly chicks to do so!!!!
IreneGB,
You said this in another thread
” I and not admitting no wrong the Spirit is the (MIND) INTELLECT that Jesus Had in Him.”Nobody seems to share this strange idea about the amazing Spirit of God.
But being alone and away from scriptural truth is not a problem for you?Hot off the press.
Kerwin……….Yes intellect is the aspect of “intelligence”that is in our minds and that causes our mindset, our mindset is the result of our Spirits (intellects) and of curse non of Us has (ALL) the intellect of GOD the FATHER, but we have some of His intellect, in fact (ALL) intellect comes from God and returns to him when we die, “for the Spirit Searches the deep things of GOD” , the spirit itself is the intellect that is in our minds driving our thoughts, Spirit is the engine of thought and it is the intellect in us and is expressed through (WORDS) as Jesus Said . He said the Word he Spoke (ARE) Spirit, and LIFE. (ALL) Spirit is intellect and is expressed in WORDS and IS the LIFE of the one Expressing those word, rather GOD or MAN, it's still the life of who is expressing those words, because those words express his LIFE, it is His intellect or thoughts that are being expressed and he lives according to his thinking His intellect which is the Spirit driving HIM. So by a mans words He can be Judged and tried because his word are who he is they (ARE) from HIS SPIRIT in HIM>”Clarification?
Hi,
Gene has told us of the nature of spirit in his opinion in another post“To All………..This thread is “the holy spirit: a separate person or…. No Holy spirit is (NOT) a seperate (person) in fact it is not a person at all, It is Pure INTELLECT and is poured out upon People from GOD Himself. GOD himself is SPIRIT Jesus said, Therefore it says (I) shall pour forth of (MY) Spirit upon all people and your sons and daughters shall prophesy. Spirit in its simplest term is Intellect that enlightens the mind. All who come into the world have some enlightenment, some more then others. This enlightenment ability to perceive is from GOD ” who enlightens every man coming into the world. There is Higher and lower forms of Spirits (intellects) the spirit (intellect) of the world which we learn after being born into it , is the lower form of Spirit intellect, the higher form is FROM GOD. Jesus told them they were of the lower form or from below, He was from the higher form of Intellect (above) . Trying to make Spirit as a Individual Person is a false teaching , Spirit is Simply (INTELLECT) and if its of GOD'S Spirit it is GODLY INTELLECT. IF it is from the world it is worldly intellect , it just that simple. You can not Separate GOD from HIS SPIRITS or INTELLECTS, no more then you can be separated from your Intellects.
If GOD'S Spirit is in you , GOD Himself is in you, did not Jesus say the FATHER (WAS) IN HIM> Indeed He was by the mind that was (IN)n Jesus, a mind WE can have in us also, and this MIND (IS) Spirit. (intellect of GOD). The Spirit that is in a person is expressed by or through words, as a result we are able to try the spirits (intellects) to see if they are of GOD or Not. To me Spirit is not a being it is what is (IN) the being. If GOD'S Spirit is in you HE GOD is in YOU because GOD is SPIRIT. “That God may be (ALL) and in YOU ALL.”. IMO
Sound gnostic to you?
GENE
intellect is knowledge and so can change,with understanding ,learning more,
it is not the spirit “you must be a great intellectual,or a scholar
what make you beleive that the intellect is the spirit of God or Christ ??
nick
there is no way that Gene ,will see this he is so stacked on that word “intellect” he is building his church on that foundation and as well determinism;
without those two terminology's he as no truth those therms are the corner stones of his believe not the scriptures.
Terraricca………It is interesting how you spend you time trying to make me appear wrong, Produce you proof for what you accuse me of, or is that just your PRIDE coming OUT. You have my Posts now instead of Just mouthing off, Prove them wrong , give us the answers then to the subject matter being discussed. Creating devision is an operation of the accuser of the brethren. IMO
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