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Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,10:20) Hi Pierre, No, only a few were chosen to write the bible.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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edjit is not the written words that made the distinction between who received the holy spirit or not ,
Ac 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Ac 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.not all of them have written words in the scriptures
Ac 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ac 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of IsraelQuote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,16:31) In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received. A seeming contradiction.
It is indeed a contradiction, which is why I don't take Paul's words in Ephesians 4:4 literally. I don't understand “one spirit” to be any more literal that his words “one lord” in verse 5.Quote (Ed J @ June 15 2013,20:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,07:22)
(2) As for the Holy Spirit: If it is the Spirit by which ALL MEN LIVE (the one that goes back to God when we die), then ALL MEN have been given the Holy Spirit from birth.
Hi Mike,
2) I disagree with this hypothesis, because we are all given a spirit of our own.
Then it seems we agree, Ed. I DON'T believe the spirit by which all men live is the Holy Spirit.I am arguing AGAINST this claim that Kerwin has made.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,02:51) Quote (Ed J @ June 15 2013,20:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,07:22)
(2) As for the Holy Spirit: If it is the Spirit by which ALL MEN LIVE (the one that goes back to God when we die), then ALL MEN have been given the Holy Spirit from birth.
2) I disagree with this hypothesis, because we are all given a spirit of our own.
Then it seems we agree, Ed. I DON'T believe the spirit by which all men live is the Holy Spirit.2:4)I am arguing AGAINST this claim that Kerwin has made.
Hi Mike,“If” you believe that the HolySpirit is the “Tree of Life”, then we do in fact agree.
“And they were all filled with the HolySpirit, and began to speak with
other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Acts 2:4)“A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness
therein is a breach in the spirit.” (Proverbs 15:4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,11:35) Hi Mike, “If” you believe that the HolySpirit is the “Tree of Life”, then we do in fact agree.
No Ed,I DON'T agree that the Holy Spirit is the “Tree of Life”. Nor do I know where on earth you come up with some of these things.
Where we agree is that the Holy Spirit is NOT the spirit that God gives to all men – the spirit that goes back to God when we die.
Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,04:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,12:59) Mike, Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit. When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit? The one all men live by? The one that goes back to God when we die?
Are you sure?
You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand.
Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.
The breath of life gives the flesh life.
From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient.
The Spirit is present to perform that one job.
It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so.The answers to your question can be derived from my words.
So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit?That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin. Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM.
Mike,Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.In both cases the Spirit is present though it accomplishes a different task in each case.
In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received. A seeming contradiction.
Kerwin1)Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
2)Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.2)JN 17:20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
how did those who believed through their word like today or 1000 years ago do they recieved the holy spirit and how did they receive it ??1) GE 6:3 Then the LORD said, “ My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;so their was no immortality ,and live as a purpose that many do not understand yet ,so is it now (in your understanding)that God is guilty of killing babe ,children ,and women and what not
T,God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,12:59) Mike, Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit. When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit? The one all men live by? The one that goes back to God when we die?
Are you sure?
You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand.
Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.
The breath of life gives the flesh life.
From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient.
The Spirit is present to perform that one job.
It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so.The answers to your question can be derived from my words.
So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit?That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin. Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM.
Mike,You keep insisting God's Spirit does not strive with man and so keep them living. Instead of doing that reconcile the two teachings.
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,00:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,04:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38) kerwin,June wrote:Mike,
Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit. When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit? The one all men live by? The one that goes back to God when we die?
Are you sure?
You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand.
Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.
The breath of life gives the flesh life.
From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient.
The Spirit is present to perform that one job.
It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so.The answers to your question can be derived from my words.
So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit?That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin. Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM.
Mike,Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.In both cases the Spirit is present though it accomplishes a different task in each case.
In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received. A seeming contradiction.
KerwinQuote 1)Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
2)Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.2)JN 17:20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
how did those who believed through their word like today or 1000 years ago do they recieved the holy spirit and how did they receive it ??1) GE 6:3 Then the LORD said, “ My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;so their was no immortality ,and live as a purpose that many do not understand yet ,so is it now (in your understanding)that God is guilty of killing babe ,children ,and women and what not
T,God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them
KirwinQuote God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them do you understand what you are saying
this is a lie .
No Kerwin,
What I'm saying is that the HOLY spirit of God is NOT the “generic” spirit that all men live by, and which goes back to God when men die.
Do you believe there LITERALLY exists only ONE spirit, PERIOD? Because that is what this all boils down to.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,04:39) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,11:35) Hi Mike, “If” you believe that the HolySpirit is the “Tree of Life”, then we do in fact agree.
No Ed,I DON'T agree that the Holy Spirit is the “Tree of Life”. Nor do I know where on earth you come up with some of these things.
Where we agree is that the Holy Spirit is NOT the spirit that God gives to all men – the spirit that goes back to God when we die.
Hi Mike,What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 17 2013,01:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,04:39) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,11:35) Hi Mike, “If” you believe that the HolySpirit is the “Tree of Life”, then we do in fact agree.
No Ed,I DON'T agree that the Holy Spirit is the “Tree of Life”. Nor do I know where on earth you come up with some of these things.
Where we agree is that the Holy Spirit is NOT the spirit that God gives to all men – the spirit that goes back to God when we die.
Hi Mike,What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhat is your description of it
Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07) Hi Mike, What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?
I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,00:23) No Kerwin, What I'm saying is that the HOLY spirit of God is NOT the “generic” spirit that all men live by, and which goes back to God when men die.
Do you believe there LITERALLY exists only ONE spirit, PERIOD? Because that is what this all boils down to.
Mike,There is literally only one Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit may be or may not be the breath of life but it is linked to it in some manner. It is in a human maintaining his life; though currently under adverse circumstances.
Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2013,00:23) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,00:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,04:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38) kerwin,June wrote:Mike,
Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit. When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit? The one all men live by? The one that goes back to God when we die?
Are you sure?
You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand.
Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.
The breath of life gives the flesh life.
From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient.
The Spirit is present to perform that one job.
It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so.The answers to your question can be derived from my words.
So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit?That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin. Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM.
Mike,Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.In both cases the Spirit is present though it accomplishes a different task in each case.
In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received. A seeming contradiction.
KerwinQuote 1)Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
2)Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.2)JN 17:20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
how did those who believed through their word like today or 1000 years ago do they recieved the holy spirit and how did they receive it ??1) GE 6:3 Then the LORD said, “ My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;so their was no immortality ,and live as a purpose that many do not understand yet ,so is it now (in your understanding)that God is guilty of killing babe ,children ,and women and what not
T,God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them
KirwinQuote God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them do you understand what you are saying
this is a lie .
T,For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan?
Kerwin……..They do not understand spiritual things, Mike believes the tree of life is an actual tree, he probably also believes the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is also a literal tree. It is this lack of ability that hinders his understandings of spiritual things IMO. But what's odd, is when God say himself, that there is no other God's but him, he doesn't take that literally. So then he sets up his own ideology of “big God ” and “Little God”, to satisfy his false reasonings. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2013,02:31) Kerwin……..They do not understand spiritual things, Mike believes the tree of life is an actual tree, he probably also believes the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is also a literal tree. It is this lack of ability that hinders his understandings of spiritual things IMO. But what's odd, is when God say himself, that there is no other God's but him, he doesn't take that literally. So then he sets up his own ideology of “big God ” and “Little God”, to satisfy his false reasonings. IMO Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Gene,It is an actual tree but it can also symbolize the Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,22:02) The Holy Spirit may be or may not be the breath of life but it is linked to it in some manner.
And if it's not? Does that mean there is a different spirit by which men are animated?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 17 2013,14:31) But what's odd, is when God say himself, that there is no other God's but him, he doesn't take that literally.
Gene,Do yourself a favor, and read the debate I'm currently having with t8 about this subject. You may very well learn something scriptural.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,04:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,22:02) The Holy Spirit may be or may not be the breath of life but it is linked to it in some manner.
And if it's not? Does that mean there is a different spirit by which men are animated?
Mike,Genesis 6:3
King James Version (KJV)3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Do you or do you not believe the spirit God refers to as “my spirit” is the Holy Spirit?
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