In the Beginning

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     2besee 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,11:26)
    2b

    Genesis 1:1

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth… “The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.”

    can you see that there are two beguinings ???

    Terraricca, do you mean two creations?

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    2besee quoted me with,

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    Richard said:

    “How about God? Can he speak a lie? Then if He can only speak truth, He speaks of His own and is the father of truth.
    Why is it so hard to believe that God's Word is God Himself?”

    How about using all what I said, not just a portion of it?

    So I will say again, after I said it again and again,

    NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE ARE 3 GODS. THE BIBLE, LIKE POSTED ABOVE STATES THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.

    If people would read what I said, they might not agree with me, but they would see that I don't believe in the 3 Gods.

    mikeboll64,

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    In which of the above translations do you suppose God was “controlling His own words”?

    PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T GET CAUGHT UP WITH THAT FACT THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND GOD AND WHO HE IS WITH YOUR MIND.
    WE WILL NEVER WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND GOD WITHOUT GOD REVILING THINGS TO US BY HIS SPIRIT.

    We live in our 3 dimensional world and don't understand eternity much the things of the laws of the universe. We found a new something they call dark energy and dark matter. They don't know much about it, but they can tell it's there. Don't you think that God knows all about it?

    There are untold things we don't know and should not attack those thing until we dig deeper into it and see that it needs to be investigated before dismissing or attacking it.

    Question: If God can speak a word and it will produce or create a living plant, animal or something else, just what kind of Words are those?
    His Words are life and living and creative. And His Words are a part of Him.
    Every thing God has created, He has spoken it into existence.

    If you don't understand it, try to find out what this means before you all go off on someone and labeling them and trying to correct them about something else other than what is said.

    You are limiting yourselves and God.

    Take a hard look at these scriptures:
    Job 42:1 Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
    Job 42:2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
    Job 42:3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
    Job 42:4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
    Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
    Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

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    Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 26 2012,12:20)
    2besee quoted me with,

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    Richard said:

    “How about God? Can he speak a lie? Then  if He can  only speak truth, He speaks of His own and is the father of truth.
    Why is it so hard to believe that God's Word is God Himself?”

    How about using all what I said, not just a portion of it?

    So I will say again, after I said it again and again,

    NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE ARE 3 GODS. THE BIBLE, LIKE POSTED ABOVE STATES THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.

    If people would read what I said, they might not agree with me, but they would see that I don't believe in the 3 Gods.

    Richard, I never said that you believed in three Gods – I was quoting a part of your post as a TRUTH, i was quoting what you said about God speaking only the truth, and then I went on to quote Wakeup's verse and also the chapter from Isaiah, as truths.

    So that is a misunderstanding.

    Also, I have not read any of your posts on what you do believe, regarding this topic.

    So, Rich, what is your belief, briefly? (so that I know!)

    #321985
     Spock 
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    The phrase “in the beginning” is a poetic, philosophical concession. God had no beginning, neither did The Son or the Creator Son, Jesus. They are ancestral to, but eternal-with, God the Father.

    Colter

    #321986
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    Hi Rich,

    Wise advice, but I doubt there will be any takers.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #321987
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    Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 26 2012,12:20)
    PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T GET CAUGHT UP WITH THAT FACT THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND GOD AND WHO HE IS WITH YOUR MIND.
    WE WILL NEVER WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND GOD WITHOUT GOD REVILING THINGS TO US BY HIS SPIRIT.

    We live in our 3 dimensional world and don't understand eternity much the things of the laws of the universe. We found a new something they call dark  energy and dark matter. They don't know much about it, but they can tell it's there. Don't you think that God knows all about it?

    There are untold things we don't know and should not attack those thing until we dig deeper into it and see that it needs to be investigated before dismissing or attacking it.

    Question: If God can speak a word and it will produce or create a living plant, animal or something else, just what kind of Words are those?
    His Words are life and living and creative. And His Words are a part of Him.
    Every thing God has created, He has spoken it into existence.

    If you don't understand it, try to find out what this means before you all go off on someone and labeling them and trying to correct them about something else other than what is said.

    You are limiting yourselves and God.

    Take a hard look at these scriptures:
    Job 42:1  Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
    Job 42:2  I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
    Job 42:3  Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
    Job 42:4  Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
    Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
    Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

    Amen.

    #321998
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    2besee,

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    So, Rich, what is your belief, briefly? (so that I know!)

    I have stated in the thread ” again abut the trinity” what I believe,but misunderstood so I will reluctantly state my position again.
    As stated above I am not convinced that there is 3 separate Gods.
    I do believe in John 1 and 1John 5:7 that complement each other and explain that while God is “ONE” I believe that God is Father, Word, and Holy Spirit as ONE.

    I believe man is comprised as spirit, soul, and body.

    WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE AND LIKENESS!

    We may not understand this, and think it has something to do with trinity doctrine, but it is different.

    When you can understand that when you die your body is lifeless, but you are not, then you can start to see this.

    You are not your body, much is stated in the bible about our soul and spirit as well as the body.

    Question for you. Have you ever had a talk with yourself? Needing to do this or that and had to talk yourself into or out of it?

    If so, who were you talking to?

    The scriptures talk about the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit lusts against the flesh.

    If you take the time to investigate this about man, then you can better understand this about God.

    To all: I have been through this for years and I am convinced, (by much studying) that this is truth weather you believe in it or not I don't think I can change unless God shows me different through His Word.

    #322020
     terraricca 
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    Quote (2besee @ Nov. 26 2012,04:48)

    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,11:26)
    2b

    Genesis 1:1

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth… “The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.”

    can you see that there are two beguinings ???

    Terraricca, do you mean two creations?


    2b

    1)Genesis 1:1

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth… “

    2)”The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.”

    what the 6 days means his that the earth was transformed into a home for men to be a god (master)

    the earth was created long before God made the changes on earth ,

    #322021
     terraricca 
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    Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 26 2012,06:22)
    2besee,

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    So, Rich, what is your belief, briefly? (so that I know!)

    I have stated in the thread ” again abut the trinity” what I believe,but misunderstood so I will reluctantly state my position again.
    As stated above I am not convinced that there is 3 separate Gods.
    I do believe in John 1 and 1John 5:7 that complement each other and explain that while God is “ONE” I believe that God is Father, Word, and Holy Spirit as ONE.

    I believe man is comprised as spirit, soul, and body.

    WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE AND LIKENESS!

    We may not understand this, and think it has something to do with trinity doctrine, but it is different.

    When you can understand that when you die your body is lifeless, but you are not, then you can start to see this.

    You are not your body, much is stated in the bible about our soul and spirit as well as the body.

    Question for you. Have you ever had a talk with yourself? Needing to do this or that and had to talk yourself into or out of it?

    If so, who were you talking to?

    The scriptures talk about the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit lusts against the flesh.

    If you take the time to investigate this about man, then you can better understand this about God.

    To all: I have been through this for years and I am convinced, (by much studying) that this is truth weather you believe in it or not I don't think I can change unless God shows me different through His Word.


    interesting believe ,but false,

    first understand that God his not an man ,so you can not use men as an example for God ,

    now see it this way ;if you would only try to talk with meaningful words and meaningful thaughts you would probably not talk much and frequently ,you would think very carefully on what you going to say ,you would be carefull not to say what you do not want to say or say to little so that it would mean something different of what you wanted to say,

    so every word would be scaled to the very level of its meaning ,

    can you do that ????

    #322025
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    richt

    wen you talk are you referring to your self or to the one around you ???

    if you are alone in the world why would you talk ???

    but if you have the need to talk why would that be ???

    God as only be alone before creation ;before he made all the things we can see ,he made the things we can not see like the angels something like 100,000,000, and only after that he start to create the physical world ,

    but the very first creation number one creation his christ his begotten son ,just like scriptures says in Col;1,and Prov 8;and….

    #322029
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    richt

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    To all: I have been through this for years and I am convinced, (by much studying) that this is truth weather you believe in it or not I don't think I can change unless God shows me different through His Word.

    how you think God will help you if you cluster yourself in a shell and say that it i am done I know for me thats the truth ,

    unless God …..what you have shut yourself up ,this means you have become deff and dum to what ever any one will say ,

    wakeup free yourself and understand that all the time of mens life his made to know God his creator ,

    how many times did i say what you say and then start over to read the scriptures again and learn new thing find more jewels more diamants ,and perles ,I have never say that again and left religion

    #322116
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    Thanks for sharing Rich.

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    All, it is the spirit which is eternal Jesus is a man.
    Not another God. A man.
    There is only one God YHVH.

    Jesus did not exist until the first advent.

    The eternal spirit is the eternal spirit and it is this eternal spirit which continues to exist in times eternally past, in the man Jesus, and in any believers if they are called.

    This eternal spirit is with God and also is God.

    That is how I can explain it. Everyone else may have other views, that is okay. Makes no difference to me. No need to debate, condemn or put-down.

    I will leave it there.
    Thread may be closed.

    #322118
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    “For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh,
    how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL SPIRIT offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Hebrews 9:13

    #322133
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    Quote (2besee @ Nov. 25 2012,14:01)
    Mike, I haven't read your above posts yet but i have been thinking.

    To say that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was A God does Not. Seem. Right.


    I understand 2B. How could it seem right to you, when you've been so used to the majority translation of that verse for so long?

    It's like when some new group does a remake of one of my favorite old songs. YUCK! Why did they have to change what was already PERFECT? :)

    This is going to be a good, scriptural discussion………….. if we take baby steps together.

    #322134
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    Quote (2besee @ Nov. 25 2012,14:48)
    So you are a polytheist?


    It depends on which definition you use. Some define a polytheist as one who BELIEVES IN more than one god. If we were to use that definition, then yes, me, Moses, Abraham, David, Samuel, etc, etc, etc are all polytheists.

    The more accurate definition, IMO, is “one who WORSHIPS more than one god”. And according to that definition, NO, I'm not a polytheist.

    We'll touch more on that later.

    #322135
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    Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 25 2012,17:20)
    mikeboll64,

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    In which of the above translations do you suppose God was “controlling His own words”?

    PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T GET CAUGHT UP WITH THAT FACT THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND GOD AND WHO HE IS WITH YOUR MIND.
    WE WILL NEVER WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND GOD WITHOUT GOD REVILING THINGS TO US BY HIS SPIRIT.


    Hi Rich,

    I'm still waiting for an actual answer to my question.  In which of those translations I posted do you suppose God was “controlling His own words”?

    #322136
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    Quote (Colter @ Nov. 25 2012,17:41)
    The phrase “in the beginning” is a poetic, philosophical concession.


    Howdy Colter,

    I agree with the above statement. I also realize that there are many “beginnings” mentioned in the Bible.

    #322137
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    Quote (2besee @ Nov. 25 2012,15:43)
    Hi Mike, I am going to “attack” your post on page three bit by bit, tomorrow (when I have some more time) but for now I just have one more post to do:


    Okay 2B.  But know before you attack, that the vast majority of the post is simply Greek to English grammatical FACTS.  There is really nothing to be questioned until you get to my 7 points at the bottom of the post.

    First and foremost, I want you to agree on these two FACTS of translation:

    1.  The Greek language did NOT use an indefinite article, and so every “a” you see in the NT was ADDED by an English translator.  

    Do you accept his FACT?  Yes or No?

    2.  Upon acceptance of the above, you'll also have no choice but to accept that John 1:1c can be translated one of TWO different ways:  “God”, or “a god”.  The former requires us to add the definite article “THE”, and the latter requires us to add the indefinite article “a”.  

    Do you accept this FACT?  Yes or No?

    #322261
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    Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 26 2012,13:22)
    To all: I have been through this for years and I am convinced, (by much studying) that this is truth weather you believe in it or not I don't think I can change unless God shows me different through His Word.


    Hi Richturner,

    Did you come to your understanding through studying the scriptures and prayer, and for how long did you study the scriptures?

    I have a family member who kind of believes as you do.

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