In the Beginning

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,21:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,07:28) Quote (abe @ June 11 2013,03:31) Hi Kerwin, (Quote) Please explain your understanding of what you perceive is two Spirits and I perceive to be one. Amen. Is the spirit God breathed into Adam “the Holy Spirit”? I say “NO”, meaning there is more than one spirit. Mike, God states it is his Spirit that strives against the flesh to maintain life. It would seem his Spirit has more than one aspects. So then since EVERYBODY in existence has always had God's Holy Spirit from the moment they existed, what was the big deal with Pentecost? You are saying that the evil men in scripture (and this world) live by the same Holy Spirit that is said to be a GIFT to only certain ones. Hmmmm…………….

Mike,

Different aspects of the same Spirit.

The aspects received at Pentecost were the aspect of the gifts and the aspect of righteousness.

All men live only because of the aspect of life struggles against the death in their flesh.

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ June 12 2013,11:18) T, Scripture teaches us that those that are living by the Spirit do not sin. But ALL men live by spirit on loan from God, Kerwin.  It goes back to God when we die, right?  And you seem to be saying this spirit by which we all live is the “Holy Spirit”, right? So how then can you now say only certain people live by this spirit? What is the spirit by which the REST OF US live?  Is it also “the Holy Spirit”?

Mike,

I am presently only at the stage of saying it seems reasonable that the breath and the Spirit that strives against the flesh are the same.

That action of the Spirit is different than its roll of teacher of righteousness.

[mikeboll64]

Kerwin,

You are making no sense to me…… which is par for the course these days.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2013,12:23)

Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2013,10:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,12:28) Is the spirit God breathed into Adam “the Holy Spirit”? I say “NO”, meaning there is more than one spirit. Hi Mike, I say “Yes”, because Jesus restores us to our pre-fallen state. “The key” is found in John 20:22…   “he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the HolySpirit:” (John 20:22)         God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure?

Hi Mike,

They were prevented from eating the “Tree of Life”.
So I disagree with your hypothesis.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Ed J @ June 15 2013,11:00)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2013,12:23) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2013,10:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,12:28) Is the spirit God breathed into Adam “the Holy Spirit”? I say “NO”, meaning there is more than one spirit. Hi Mike, I say “Yes”, because Jesus restores us to our pre-fallen state. “The key” is found in John 20:22…   “he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the HolySpirit:” (John 20:22)         God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure? Hi Mike, They were prevented from eating the “Tree of Life”. So I disagree with your hypothesis. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you are wrong ;John 20;22

says that jesus did not breathed the breath of live into their NOSTRILS ;

while in Geneses;Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Jn 20:21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
Jn 20:22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

if you can not see that Adam was not a living being prior of receiving that BREATH IN HIS NOSTRILS ;compared to what Jesus said to well a live disciples of his , “””“Receive the Holy Spirit.””THIS IS VERY CLEAR TO ME

AS FOR THE TREE OF LIVE;

Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Ge 3:23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
Ge 3:24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

THIS IS TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 27 2012,08:29)

All, it is the spirit which is eternal Jesus is a man. Not another God. A man. There is only one God YHVH. Jesus did not exist until the first advent. The eternal spirit is the eternal spirit and it is this eternal spirit which continues to exist in times eternally past, in the man Jesus, and in any believers if they are called. This eternal spirit is with God and also is God. That is how I can explain it. Everyone else may have other views, that is okay. Makes no difference to me. No need to debate, condemn or put-down. I will leave it there. Thread may be closed.

2besee…….This is correct and is the way i understand it also brother.

peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

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2bee

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Jesus did not exist until the first advent.

you missed the train ,but you can always wait for the next one while there is an next one,

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That is how I can explain it

one day when you got rid of the “I” person and replace it with God and Christ then we will talk again ,not before .have a great worldly day

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 27 2012,08:42)

“For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL SPIRIT offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Hebrews 9:13

2besee……….Yes Jesus did it through the “ETERNAL SPIRIT” of GOD, Just as scripture says he did. That same eternal Spirit has shown you and me it also.

peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2013,21:43)

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 27 2012,08:42) “For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL SPIRIT offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Hebrews 9:13 2besee……….Yes Jesus did it through the “ETERNAL SPIRIT” of GOD, Just as scripture says he did. That same eternal Spirit has shown you and me it also. peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

Gene/ 2be

Christ his the eternal spirit ,so he did through his God and father ,

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2013,01:24)

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 27 2012,08:29) All, it is the spirit which is eternal Jesus is a man. Not another God. A man. There is only one God YHVH. Jesus did not exist until the first advent. The eternal spirit is the eternal spirit and it is this eternal spirit which continues to exist in times eternally past, in the man Jesus, and in any believers if they are called. This eternal spirit is with God and also is God. That is how I can explain it. Everyone else may have other views, that is okay. Makes no difference to me. No need to debate, condemn or put-down. I will leave it there. Thread may be closed. 2besee…….This is correct and is the way i understand it also brother. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

I concur.

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2013,02:43)

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 27 2012,08:42) “For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL SPIRIT offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Hebrews 9:13 2besee……….Yes Jesus did it through the “ETERNAL SPIRIT” of GOD, Just as scripture says he did. That same eternal Spirit has shown you and me it also. peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

Good going, yes God's HolySpirit is available to all believers!

[kerwin]

Mike,

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Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit. When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit? The one all men live by? The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure?

You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand.

Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.
The breath of life gives the flesh life.
From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient.
The Spirit is present to perform that one job.
It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so.

The answers to your question can be derived from my words.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2013,23:00)

Hi Mike, They were prevented from eating the “Tree of Life”. So I disagree with your hypothesis.

Hi Ed,

My “hypothesis” is that there would be no need FOR a tree of life in the Garden of Eden if Adam and Eve were already created immortal.

As for the Holy Spirit: If it is the Spirit by which ALL MEN LIVE (the one that goes back to God when we die), then ALL MEN have been given the Holy Spirit from birth. And if that is the case, of what good was Pentecost?

And what does it mean all throughout scripture when only CERTAIN PEOPLE were “given the Holy Spirit”?

How can only certain people be GIVEN the Holy Spirit if WE ALL already have it from birth?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,12:59)

Mike, Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure? You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand. Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.   The breath of life gives the flesh life. From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient. The Spirit is present to perform that one job. It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so. The answers to your question can be derived from my words.

So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit?

That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin. Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38)

Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,12:59) Mike, Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure? You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand. Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.   The breath of life gives the flesh life. From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient. The Spirit is present to perform that one job. It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so. The answers to your question can be derived from my words. So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit? That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin.  Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM.

Mike,

Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.

In both cases the Spirit is present though it accomplishes a different task in each case.

In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received. A seeming contradiction.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,07:22)

Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2013,23:00) Hi Mike, They were prevented from eating the “Tree of Life”. So I disagree with your hypothesis. Hi Ed, (1) My “hypothesis” is that there would be no need FOR a tree of life in the Garden of Eden if Adam and Eve were already created immortal. (2) As for the Holy Spirit:  If it is the Spirit by which ALL MEN LIVE (the one that goes back to God when we die), then ALL MEN have been given the Holy Spirit from birth.  (3) And if that is the case, of what good was Pentecost? (4) And what does it mean all throughout scripture when only CERTAIN PEOPLE were “given the Holy Spirit”? (5) How can only certain people be GIVEN the Holy Spirit if WE ALL already have it from birth?

Hi Mike,

1) I always believed that the “Tree of Life” was part of the package.

2) I disagree with this hypothesis, because we are all given a spirit of our own.
3) I believe beginning at Pentecost, the breath of God was restored
    to believers; which (I believe) is the HolySpirit of God indwelling within us.

4) All those who were given the HolySpirit are not recorded in the bible,
    and as the saying goes – “many are called, but few are chosen”.

5) I would say that question is based on a misconception.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,08:44)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,07:22) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2013,23:00) Hi Mike, They were prevented from eating the “Tree of Life”. So I disagree with your hypothesis. Hi Ed, (1) My “hypothesis” is that there would be no need FOR a tree of life in the Garden of Eden if Adam and Eve were already created immortal. (2) As for the Holy Spirit:  If it is the Spirit by which ALL MEN LIVE (the one that goes back to God when we die), then ALL MEN have been given the Holy Spirit from birth.  (3) And if that is the case, of what good was Pentecost? (4) And what does it mean all throughout scripture when only CERTAIN PEOPLE were “given the Holy Spirit”? (5) How can only certain people be GIVEN the Holy Spirit if WE ALL already have it from birth? Hi Mike, 1) I always believed that the “Tree of Life” was part of the package. 2) I disagree with this hypothesis, because we are all given a spirit of our own. 3) I believe beginning at Pentecost, the breath of God was restored     to believers; which (I believe) is the HolySpirit of God indwelling within us. 4) All those who were given the HolySpirit are not recorded in the bible,     and as the saying goes – “many are called, but few are chosen”. 5) I would say that question is based on a misconception. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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4) All those who were given the HolySpirit are not recorded in the bible, and as the saying goes – “many are called, but few are chosen”.

and so only the chosen ones have received the holy spirit

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

No, only a few were chosen to write the bible.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,04:31)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,12:59) Mike, Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure? You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand. Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.   The breath of life gives the flesh life. From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient. The Spirit is present to perform that one job. It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so. The answers to your question can be derived from my words. So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit? That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin.  Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM. Mike, Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan. Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit.  In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit. In both cases the Spirit is present though it accomplishes a different task in each case. In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received.  A seeming contradiction.

Kerwin

1)Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan.
2)Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit. In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit.

2)JN 17:20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
how did those who believed through their word like today or 1000 years ago do they recieved the holy spirit and how did they receive it ??

1) GE 6:3 Then the LORD said, “ My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;so their was no immortality ,and live as a purpose that many do not understand yet ,so is it now (in your understanding)that God is guilty of killing babe ,children ,and women and what not

[2besee]

Hi Gene and Ed,
It is good to see a lot of things the same way.

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