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Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2013,13:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:13) Can any of you tell me how the earth can be God's footstool if the earth resides WITHIN God?
Mike,How can heaven be his throne if he resides inside of it?
Or better yet: How can heaven be the throne of God if heaven itself resides WITHIN God?
The saying “heaven is God's throne” supports Jesus' many teachings that God is “in heaven”, Kerwin. Those words are a way of saying “God rules FROM heaven”.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2013,13:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:13) Can any of you tell me how the earth can be God's footstool if the earth resides WITHIN God?
Mike,How can heaven be his throne if he resides inside of it?
Or better yet: How can heaven be the throne of God if heaven itself resides WITHIN God?The saying “heaven is God's throne” supports Jesus' many teachings that God is “in heaven”, Kerwin. Those words are a way of saying “God rules FROM heaven”.
Mike,God's seat of power is in heaven just as a government's throne is in its capital. A footstool is connected to the throne but it is the lowest place.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Mike,You have already answered that question when you answered how God exists within the throne he is said to sit upon.
The throne of the federal US government is Washington DC and its footstool is the states and territories of the United States. It exists within them and they exist within it.
Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2013,09:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Mike,You have already answered that question when you answered how God exists within the throne he is said to sit upon.
The throne of the federal US government is Washington DC and its footstool is the states and territories of the United States. It exists within them and they exist within it.
But they are not really in all the states,or all states are not really in them ,right
It talks about powers of authority right
,and applicable lawsQuote (terraricca @ June 09 2013,09:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2013,09:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Mike,You have already answered that question when you answered how God exists within the throne he is said to sit upon.
The throne of the federal US government is Washington DC and its footstool is the states and territories of the United States. It exists within them and they exist within it.
But they are not really in all the states,or all states are not really in them ,rightIt talks about powers of authority right
,and applicable laws
T,Parts of the federal government authority exists within the states and the states are in the form of authority of the federal government. A government has physical effects but is not a physical entity.
Quote It talks about powers of authority right ,and applicable lawsYes.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2013,11:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Hi Mike,Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and In all.
We have a Very Powerful God !!
Peace.
Quote (abe @ June 09 2013,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2013,11:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Hi Mike,Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and In all.
We have a Very Powerful God !!
Peace.
AbeWhy you do not tell us ,how our God ,is over all,then through all, then in all,
This understanding would show that you really know what that scripture you quote means ,
Terricca………So, O Wise one, why don't you tell us how, and give us your understanding instead of just ridiculing what Abe Quoted from scripture to help give meaning to the subject being decussed. The bible say it is a mystery , how GOD was IN” Christ reconciling the World unto himself. But i am sure you O wise one you can unlock it for us right?, when you have no idea what Spirits are, much less how Spirit works. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………gene
Kerwin………You are right, and gave a good example how a throne radiates out from its source and effects all that are in it, and even governments of this world work that way. and Abe Nailed it for you, with scripture, “That God may be over all and through all and “IN” All.”
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2013,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Mike,You have already answered that question when you answered how God exists within the throne he is said to sit upon.
The throne of the federal US government is Washington DC and its footstool is the states and territories of the United States. It exists within them and they exist within it.
Kerwin,I'm hearing: The throne of an entity exists within the territory that entity rules. With this I agree.
But does the throne of any king exist within THE KING who sits on that throne?
Quote (abe @ June 09 2013,00:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2013,11:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Hi Mike,Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and In all.
We have a Very Powerful God !!
Peace.
Abe,Once again: Saying that God can be “in US” is very different from saying that everything exists “within GOD”.
Surely you can see the difference? Maybe not.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,00:51) Kerwin………You are right, and gave a good example how a throne radiates out from its source and effects all that are in it, and even governments of this world work that way. and Abe Nailed it for you, with scripture, “That God may be over all and through all and “IN” All.” peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
I concur!I don't think Gene and Ed even have a clue about what we're actually discussing here.
Kerwin's claim is that everything in existence resides WITHIN the being of God.
You guys are applauding scriptures and posts that don't say one thing about all things existing INSIDE OF the being of God.
Why not wait until someone posts a scripture that DOES say what they're claiming – and then applaud?
On the other hand, Kerwin's example does help me out in the “omnipresent” debate. For it is safe to say that the authority of the United States government radiates out from its source, and can be seen and felt in all corners of the earth.
Does this mean that the President of the United States is “omnipresent”?
Mike……..Tell us what is the “BEING” of God, You can only see Gods effect you have not other evidence, on who he is or what makes up GOD. If you can not explain what a Sprit is you Can't explain GOD Right either. Your view is like what Jesus was talking about to his deciples. But he went on to say I have spoken of the Father in a “PROVERBS” (in fictious illistrations) but a time will come when i will show you “plainly” about the Father
Even Issac Newton said God can't be explained, with our present limited knowledge, its like Gravity you can see the effects but have no idea how or what it is, So it is with God it appears. We Pray as to an individual like a Person and that is the extent of our perception but is that type of containment true, i doubt it, I believe God is like Gravity in a “sense” he is every where, and effect all thing that exists. But that is just my perception only, I along with the other deciples will just have to wait for Jesus to further explain God the Father to us. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,01:11) Quote (abe @ June 09 2013,00:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2013,11:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Hi Mike,Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and In all.
We have a Very Powerful God !!
Peace.
Abe,Once again: Saying that God can be “in US” is very different from saying that everything exists “within GOD”.
Surely you can see the difference? Maybe not.
MIke…..IN all, is not all that is said there , He is not only IN ALL but OVER ALL and THROUGH ALL your narrowing that scripture to mean one thing, but we must incorporate all of it, not just part of it, to get the true sense of what is being said there. Mike to me, it all boils bown to not knowing what Sprit actually is. Spirit is what “LIFE” itself is . IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2013,21:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,01:11) Quote (abe @ June 09 2013,00:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2013,11:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Hi Mike,Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and In all.
We have a Very Powerful God !!
Peace.
Abe,Once again: Saying that God can be “in US” is very different from saying that everything exists “within GOD”.
Surely you can see the difference? Maybe not.
MIke…..That is not all that is said there , He is not only IN ALLbut OVER ALL and THROUGH ALL your narrowing that scripture to mean one thing, but you must incorporate all of it, not just part of it, to get the true sense of what is being said there. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
GENEHERE AGAIN YOU CAN NOT SEE OR UNDERSTAND IT ,IF GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD BE LIKE YOU SAY HE HIS EVERYWHERE I MEAN HIS BEING ,HE SHOULD NOT NEED OF MESSENGERS OF ANY KIND AND HIS CREATION WOULD BE DONE AND WRITTEN AS “ME ” AND “I” AND “MY” IN GENESES ;
GE 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
GE 1:4 God saw that the light was good; and God
GE 1:12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.TELL ME WHY DOES GOD AFTER HE CREATED AS TO EXPECT IT
WAS HE NOT SURE OF WHAT HE AD DONE ?GE 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
LOOK GOD SAYS “LET US ” AND “IN OUR ” NOT MINE AND ” I MAKE ” AND “MY LIKENESS “
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2013,09:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,01:11) Quote (abe @ June 09 2013,00:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2013,11:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Hi Mike,Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and In all.
We have a Very Powerful God !!
Peace.
Abe,Once again: Saying that God can be “in US” is very different from saying that everything exists “within GOD”.
Surely you can see the difference? Maybe not.
MIke…..IN all, is not all that is said there , He is not only IN ALL but OVER ALL and THROUGH ALL your narrowing that scripture to mean one thing,
Oh, then let me rephrase it for you, Gene:Saying that God can be “in US”, “over US”, and “through US” is very different from saying that everything exists “within GOD”.
Does that help you?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2013,09:03) Mike to me, it all boils bown to not knowing what Sprit actually is.
I agree that not understanding the MANY uses of the word “spirit” in scripture is one of the things that hinders your understanding of scripture, Gene. I pray that God will enlighten you on this matter, as He seems to have enlightened everyone else in the world except for you.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,19:52) Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2013,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,01:42) Okay. So now tell me how the throne on which God sits can exist WITHIN the God who sits on it.
Mike,You have already answered that question when you answered how God exists within the throne he is said to sit upon.
The throne of the federal US government is Washington DC and its footstool is the states and territories of the United States. It exists within them and they exist within it.
Kerwin,I'm hearing: The throne of an entity exists within the territory that entity rules. With this I agree.
But does the throne of any king exist within THE KING who sits on that throne?
Mike,You already stated that God's throne is heaven means God rules from heaven and not that he sits on heaven. Earth is his footstool similar in that it is lower than the seat of the throne but still connected.
Paul's words at Athens remain that in God we live, move, and have our being.
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