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  • #346432
    kerwin
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2013,08:31)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,20:21)
    Plenty of witnesses explain the words of both Paul and Jesus to allow flesh to be saved by becoming immortal.


    Are any of those SCRIPTURAL witnesses, Kerwin?  And which one of those witnesses agree that flesh CAN dwell in the spiritual realm of heaven?

    Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,20:21)
    You must be born again in spirit, not as of the flesh.


    Close, but see how you have to ADD your own words to Jesus' teaching so your doctrine can be fulfilled?  Is that healthy, Kerwin?

    What Jesus actually said was that flesh gives birth to flesh, and because of this fact, WE (not our spirits) must be born again of something OTHER THAN flesh in order to enter the kingdom of God.

    Believe it or don't.  I don't really care.


    Mike,

    The High Priest of Jesus' time spoke the Word of God even as he moved to condemn Jesus.  He was not a Scriptural witness at that time.

    Paul came preaching and teaching the Word and the Bereans tested its spirit against what was written at that time.

    When God speaks; only the fool dismisses his words, no matter how he chooses to speak.

    As for the witnesses they make their case in the ways they think best. In general they seek to instruct on the use of language at the time Paul wrote 1 Corinthians and by the people of that age that were involved.

    So in sum what I hear is that a certain human would ignore the instructions of an English teacher because her words are not written in the English language bible he foolishly thinks he understands.

    It isn't called adding words it is instead called paraphrasing.  It encapsulates the meaning of  Jesus' words unlike what you have come up with.

    Peter speaks of being born again with these words:

    1 Peter 1:22-23
    King James Version (KJV)

    22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
    23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    #346433
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

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    So wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself

    God's Spirit is in God.

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    And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside

    You are given the impression that it is God's body all exist, live, and move within. God has no body and is spirit. All creation is in the spirit of existence, movement, and life. In a like manner some are in the spirit of Love.

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    It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor, plumbing and electrical,make the walls go around the plumbing vents and and electrical wires then install the dry wall and latter install the wooden frame ,do you see my point yet

    God is the house and creation is that which is put in the house.

    #346443
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,14:14)
    T,

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    So wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself

    God's Spirit is in God.

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    And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside

    You are given the impression that it is God's body all exist, live, and move within.  God has no body and is spirit.  All creation is in the spirit of existence, movement, and life.  In a like manner some are in the spirit of Love.

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    It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor, plumbing and electrical,make the walls go around the plumbing vents and and electrical wires then install the dry wall and latter install the wooden frame ,do you see my point yet

    God is the house and creation is that which is put in the house.


    kerwin

    think your answer over ,because I will answer you latter ,and show your irresponsible way of your respond to me ,
    you do not seem to understand the scriptures at all

    #346449
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ June 04 2013,13:07)
    Hi T,

    Eph.4:6   one God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    Peace.


    Abe,

    It is my understanding that Scripture is speaking of only believers though even then and in a different sense it is also true of all of creation.

    #346450
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2013,07:25)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,18:29)
    T,

    Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space.  A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.


    Actually Kerwin,

    I made it clear in my original response to you that I don't believe you have a clue about bodies and space in heaven – especially in the beginning.

    I stated words to that effect, and then said, “but I'll indulge you”.

    My point was that God is an EXCEPTION to almost any claim we can make about beings “in general”.  So if YOUR (not “my”) claim is that ALL BODIES take up space, God can ALSO be an exception in this case as well.


    T,

    Let us follow your reasoning that space that is not heaven and not earth existed before the heavens and the earth were created. According to you this place that is uncreated is the home of God's body. It is a place not mentioned in Scripture but which you have come up with in order to justify your belief that God has a body.

    You also claim the bodies of angels are the same as God's body and so they to are not of the heavens or of the earth but are of this other uncreated place even though they are created. In this case angels do not have heavenly bodies.

    An alternative claim you can make is that the bodies of angels are not of this stuff that was not created but are instead a similitude of it. This line of reasoning effects the interpretation of Philippians 2:6.

    #346464
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2013,02:26)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2013,07:25)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,18:29)
    T,

    Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space.  A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.


    Actually Kerwin,

    I made it clear in my original response to you that I don't believe you have a clue about bodies and space in heaven – especially in the beginning.

    I stated words to that effect, and then said, “but I'll indulge you”.

    My point was that God is an EXCEPTION to almost any claim we can make about beings “in general”.  So if YOUR (not “my”) claim is that ALL BODIES take up space, God can ALSO be an exception in this case as well.


    T,

    Let us follow your reasoning that space that is not heaven and not earth existed before the heavens and the earth were created.  According to you this place that is uncreated is the home of God's body.  It is a place not mentioned in Scripture but which you have come up with in order to justify your belief that God has a body.

    You also claim the bodies of angels are the same as God's body and so they to are not of the heavens or of the earth but are of this other uncreated place even though they are created.  In this case angels do not have heavenly bodies.

    An alternative claim you can make is that the bodies of angels are not of this stuff that was not created but are instead a similitude of it.  This line of reasoning effects the interpretation of Philippians 2:6.


    Kerwin

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    Let us follow your reasoning that space that is not heaven and not earth existed before the heavens and the earth were created. According to you this place that is uncreated is the home of God's body

    I do not know what place ,and what it is called ,or God fills up all of it ;but what I do know IS ;THAT GOD HIS NOT HIS OWN CREATION ,AND WE HAVE BEEN CREATED FREE ,THIS MEANS FREE TO SERVE HIM OR OUR SELF ;SO AGAIN IN THIS WAY CREATION IS SEPARATED FROM GOD,

    ALSO WEN GOD FELLED FOR THE WICKEDNESS ON THE DAYS OF NOAH HE CAME CLOSE TO DESTROY HIS CREATION ;WOULD YOU SAY THEN THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DESTROY SOME PARTS OF HIMSELF ??? THIS WOULD BE RIDICULE ,

    SURE GOD HIS A SPIRIT BEING BUT DOES IT MEAN HE HIS THIN AIR ?? THIS IS WHAT YOU IMPLY ,

    FOR US TO ACCEPT GOD'S WAYS ;WE HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FREE COMMITMENT TO LOVE HIM AND SERVE HIM FOR WHAT HE STANDS FOR HIM ,AND THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS THE BE ONE WITH HIM AND THAT HIS SPIRIT RESIDE IN US OF COURSE ONLY TRUE BELIEVERS CAN HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ,

    IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT SINS GOD REQUESTED OTHER TO DO THINGS FOR HIM ,THAT THOSE WHO HAVE TO PERFORM THOSE REQUEST ARE NOT IN HIM AS A PART OF HIS BODY OR FORM ,BUT ARE SEPARATED AND INDEPENDENT,IN FORM,IN BODY,IN MIND ,AND SOUL,AND SO IN SPIRIT (MEANS GOD'S TRUTH)

    YOU SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THIS LONG AGO ,BUT YOU STILL ON MILK IN GODLY TRUTH AND TALKING ABOUT DICTIONARIES WORDS

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    You also claim the bodies of angels are the same as God's

    THE SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ANGEL ARE SPIRITUAL BEING NOT MANLIKE PEOPLE AND SO ARE IN A SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION OF GOD ,BUT HAVE NOT THE IMAGE OF GOD THIS ONLY CHRIST HAS AND OF THE SAME NATURE OF GOD THE ANGEL HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH CHRIST NOT DIRECTLY FROM GOD LIKE CHRIST

    Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

    I HAVE NEVER BROKEN THIS SCRIPTURE,

    SO YOU TRY TO CONFUSE ME IN YOUR QUOTE BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND NEITHER GOD OR HIS SON ,AND THE REASON FOR HIS SACRIFICE ,YOU TENT TO MIX ALL SPIRITS IN ONE VASE AND SHAKE IT AND CALL IT A DAY

    #346465
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,01:50)
    It isn't called adding words it is instead called paraphrasing.


    You can “pretty it up” all you want, but you are still adding words to Jesus' teaching.

    I'll accept his teaching as he intended – without your added words – if that is okay with you.

    #346466
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (abe @ June 04 2013,01:07)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,18:56)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,08:33)

    T,

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.


    K

    So wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself ???

    And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside ???

    It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor……….


    Hi T,

    Eph.4:6   one God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    Peace.


    Funny stuff, Pierre! :) But also spot on if you ask me.

    Abe, I don't see how that scripture applies to the discussion. It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    I don't agree with that. Do you Abe?

    #346491
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2013,06:20)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,01:50)
    It isn't called adding words it is instead called paraphrasing.


    You can “pretty it up” all you want, but you are still adding words to Jesus' teaching.

    I'll accept his teaching as he intended – without your added words – if that is okay with you.


    Mike,

    You don't except Jesus' teaching as written. If you did then you would know that a man must be born again in the spirit of his mind before he can enter the reign of God.

    #346494
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2013,16:24)

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    T,

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.


    K

    So wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself ???

    And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside ???

    It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor……….


    Hi T,

    Eph.4:6   one God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    Peace.


    Funny stuff, Pierre!  :)  But also spot on if you ask me.

    Abe, I don't see how that scripture applies to the discussion.  It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    I don't agree with that.  Do you Abe?


    Hi Mike,

    (Quote)Kerwin
    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.[/quote]

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.

    Eph.4:6   One God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    (Quote)Mike
    It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    Kerwin looks like he Is spot on.

    Peace brother……..

    #346508
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ June 05 2013,11:03)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2013,16:24)

    Quote (abe @ June 04 2013,01:07)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,18:56)

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    T,

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.


    K

    So wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself ???

    And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside ???

    It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor……….


    Hi T,

    Eph.4:6   one God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    Peace.


    Funny stuff, Pierre!  :)  But also spot on if you ask me.

    Abe, I don't see how that scripture applies to the discussion.  It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    I don't agree with that.  Do you Abe?


    Hi Mike,

    (Quote)Kerwin
    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.[/quote]

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.

    Eph.4:6   One God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and  THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    (Quote)Mike
    It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    Kerwin looks like he   Is   spot on.

    Peace brother……..


    abe

    if your interpretation is true ,the sacrifice of Christ to bring all men under God his father as been in vain ,because you say WE ARE ALREADY WITHIN GOD,

    BUT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT WE ARE NOT IN GOD AND FOR THAT REASON CHRIST CAME TO RECONCILE US WITH THE FATHER ,

    TRUTH IS SOMETIMES HARD TO DIGEST,

    #346521
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ June 05 2013,16:03)
    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.

    Eph.4:6   One God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and  THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    (Quote)Mike
    It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    Kerwin looks like he   Is   spot on.

    Peace brother……..[/quote]
    Abe……I agree with you, Kerwin seems to be, Spot on to also.

    Fact is no one has any total true concept of God , no more then they do about Gravity, According to Issac Newton. We can only see the effects, I however believe like you and  Kerwin, that God does encompass all things, He is omnipresent , Omniscience all powerful and is the creator and supporter of all life, How that works i don't really know and neither does anyone else save perhaps Jesus.

    peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

    #346529
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

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    I do not know what place ,and what it is called ,or God fills up all of it ;but what I do know IS ;THAT GOD HIS NOT HIS OWN CREATION ,AND WE HAVE BEEN CREATED FREE ,THIS MEANS FREE TO SERVE HIM OR OUR SELF ;SO AGAIN IN THIS WAY CREATION IS SEPARATED FROM GOD,

    In order for God to have a body there must be a place that is neither the heavens or the earth as he created them. I agree God did not create himself and that we are created to choose according to the desires of our own souls. So in that way we are free and some are not in God. All are in God in that they exist, move, and live.

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    ALSO WEN GOD FELLED FOR THE WICKEDNESS ON THE DAYS OF NOAH HE CAME CLOSE TO DESTROY HIS CREATION ;WOULD YOU SAY THEN THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DESTROY SOME PARTS OF HIMSELF

    God exists in his creations as far as they live, move, and have their being but they are not part of him just as one who lives in love is not part of love.

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    SURE GOD HIS A SPIRIT BEING BUT DOES IT MEAN HE HIS THIN AIR ?? THIS IS WHAT YOU IMPLY ,

    God has the same mass as Love which is Spirit. Love, like God, is uncreated.  Energy and matter and their heavenly counterparts are created.

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    FOR US TO ACCEPT GOD'S WAYS ;WE HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FREE COMMITMENT TO LOVE HIM AND SERVE HIM FOR WHAT HE STANDS FOR HIM ,AND THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS THE BE ONE WITH HIM AND THAT HIS SPIRIT RESIDE IN US OF COURSE ONLY TRUE BELIEVERS CAN HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ,

    The Spirit of righteousness, an attribute of God, does not dwell in all men.

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    FOR US TO ACCEPT GOD'S WAYS ;WE HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FREE COMMITMENT TO LOVE HIM AND SERVE HIM FOR WHAT HE STANDS FOR HIM ,AND THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS THE BE ONE WITH HIM AND THAT HIS SPIRIT RESIDE IN US OF COURSE ONLY TRUE BELIEVERS CAN HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ,

    The aspects of God Paul taught all men are in is movement, life, and existence.  You are speaking of none of those.

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    THE SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ANGEL ARE SPIRITUAL BEING NOT MANLIKE PEOPLE AND SO ARE IN A SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION OF GOD ,BUT HAVE NOT THE IMAGE OF GOD THIS ONLY CHRIST HAS AND OF THE SAME NATURE OF GOD THE ANGEL HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH CHRIST NOT DIRECTLY FROM GOD LIKE CHRIST

    A spirit is not physical and so cannot be touched and yet angels are touched.

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    Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

    I HAVE NEVER BROKEN THIS SCRIPTURE,

    According to you angels are in very body God.  If you agree with Mike then you believe God has a body that existed before he created the heavens and the earth.  Such a body is neither heavenly or earthly.  That interpretation of this Scripture is broken when you claim angels have heavenly bodies.

    #346530
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 05 2013,03:54)

    Quote (abe @ June 05 2013,11:03)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2013,16:24)

    Quote (abe @ June 04 2013,01:07)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,18:56)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,08:33)

    T,

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.


    K

    So wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself ???

    And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside ???

    It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor……….


    Hi T,

    Eph.4:6   one God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    Peace.


    Funny stuff, Pierre!  :)  But also spot on if you ask me.

    Abe, I don't see how that scripture applies to the discussion.  It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    I don't agree with that.  Do you Abe?


    Hi Mike,

    (Quote)Kerwin
    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.  I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.

    It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God.

    Eph.4:6   One God and Father of all who is    OVER   all  and  THROUGH   all  and   IN   all.

    (Quote)Mike
    It seems to me that Kerwin's understanding is that God is like, say, the universe, and everything else exists WITHIN the being of God.

    Kerwin looks like he   Is   spot on.

    Peace brother……..[/quote]
    abe

    if your interpretation is true ,the sacrifice of Christ  to bring all men under God his father  as been in vain ,because you say WE ARE ALREADY WITHIN GOD,

    BUT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT WE ARE NOT IN GOD AND FOR THAT REASON CHRIST CAME TO RECONCILE US WITH THE FATHER ,

    TRUTH IS SOMETIMES HARD TO DIGEST,


    Hi,

    Col.1:13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the Kingdom of His beloved Son,

    Col.1:19 For it was the [Father's] good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell IN Him, 20 and THROUGH Him to reconcile all things TO Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; THROUGH Him, , whether things on earth or things in heaven.
    21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, [engaged] in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His FLESHLY body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach–

    Heb.9:11 But when Christ appeared [as] a high priest of the good things to come, [He entered] through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    Heb.10:19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the BLOOD of Jesus, 20by a NEW and living way which He inaugurated for us through the Veil, that is, His FLESH, 21and since [we have] a great priest over the house of God, 22let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled [clean] from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

    1Tim.2:5 For there is ONE God, [and] one mediator also between God and men, [the] MAN Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony [given] at the proper time.

    Col.1:13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the KINGDOM of His beloved SON,

    Matt.13:41 “The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will GATHER OUT of HIS KINGDOM all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43
    *THEN*
    THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the KINGDOM of their FATHER. He who has ears, let him hear.

    Peace brothers……

    #346532
    2besee
    Participant

    Gene, I meant to respond to one of your posts but I don't know where it is now, but yes, I agree anyway :)

    #346533
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Should we be surprised, Pierre?  After all, we are dealing with four people who believe so many of the same unscriptural things, right?  So why then would we be surprised that all four of them also agree that all of creation exists INSIDE OF the God who created it?

    Abe keeps posting scriptures that say how God can metaphorically be “in” us, and apparently assumes God being in us is the same thing as us literally existing within the being of God Almighty.

    Kerwin's posts make no sense whatsoever, as he is doing the same thing he always does here:  Inventing oddball doctrines that could never have the scriptures as their origin. Another year or two, and Kerwin and Charles are going to be twin brothers – spouting all kinds of bizarre and unscriptural things.

    And Gene is up to his same old, same old:  Agreeing with ANYONE who disagrees with Pierre and Mike – whether or not he even believes what they are saying.  :)

    I thank God that there are people on this site like you and t8………. people who actually have a grasp of what the scriptures teach.  God is most definitely DISTINCT FROM His creation. If we existed WITHIN the being of God Almighty, it would make us a PART OF God Almighty, IMO.

    You have it correct, Pierre.  Creation exists outside of the God who created it. You are also correct that there must be something that separates the being of God from the things that are NOT the being of God. That “something” can rightly be called a body. Paul calls it a “form” in Phil 2.

    peace and love to you my friend,
    mike

    #346534
    2besee
    Participant

    Yes Mike,
    You and terraricca have a lot in common.

    #346541
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,00:31)
    T,

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    I do not know what place ,and what it is called ,or God fills up all of it ;but what I do know IS ;THAT GOD HIS NOT HIS OWN CREATION ,AND WE HAVE BEEN CREATED FREE ,THIS MEANS FREE TO SERVE HIM OR OUR SELF ;SO AGAIN IN THIS WAY CREATION IS SEPARATED FROM GOD,

    In order for God to have a body there must be a place that is neither the heavens or the earth as he created them. I agree God did not create himself and that we are created to choose according to the desires of our own souls. So in that way we are free and some are not in God. All are in God in that they exist, move, and live.

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    ALSO WEN GOD FELLED FOR THE WICKEDNESS ON THE DAYS OF NOAH HE CAME CLOSE TO DESTROY HIS CREATION ;WOULD YOU SAY THEN THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DESTROY SOME PARTS OF HIMSELF

    God exists in his creations as far as they live, move, and have their being but they are not part of him just as one who lives in love is not part of love.

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    SURE GOD HIS A SPIRIT BEING BUT DOES IT MEAN HE HIS THIN AIR ?? THIS IS WHAT YOU IMPLY ,

    God has the same mass as Love which is Spirit. Love, like God, is uncreated.  Energy and matter and their heavenly counterparts are created.

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    FOR US TO ACCEPT GOD'S WAYS ;WE HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FREE COMMITMENT TO LOVE HIM AND SERVE HIM FOR WHAT HE STANDS FOR HIM ,AND THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS THE BE ONE WITH HIM AND THAT HIS SPIRIT RESIDE IN US OF COURSE ONLY TRUE BELIEVERS CAN HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ,

    The Spirit of righteousness, an attribute of God, does not dwell in all men.

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    FOR US TO ACCEPT GOD'S WAYS ;WE HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FREE COMMITMENT TO LOVE HIM AND SERVE HIM FOR WHAT HE STANDS FOR HIM ,AND THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS THE BE ONE WITH HIM AND THAT HIS SPIRIT RESIDE IN US OF COURSE ONLY TRUE BELIEVERS CAN HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ,

    The aspects of God Paul taught all men are in is movement, life, and existence.  You are speaking of none of those.

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    THE SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ANGEL ARE SPIRITUAL BEING NOT MANLIKE PEOPLE AND SO ARE IN A SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION OF GOD ,BUT HAVE NOT THE IMAGE OF GOD THIS ONLY CHRIST HAS AND OF THE SAME NATURE OF GOD THE ANGEL HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH CHRIST NOT DIRECTLY FROM GOD LIKE CHRIST

    A spirit is not physical and so cannot be touched and yet angels are touched.

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    Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

    I HAVE NEVER BROKEN THIS SCRIPTURE,

    According to you angels are in very body God.  If you agree with Mike then you believe God has a body that existed before he created the heavens and the earth.  Such a body is neither heavenly or earthly.  That interpretation of this Scripture is broken when you claim angels have heavenly bodies.


    kerwin

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    According to you angels are in very body God. If you agree with Mike then you believe God has a body that existed before he created the heavens and the earth. Such a body is neither heavenly or earthly. That interpretation of this Scripture is broken when you claim angels have heavenly bodies.

    could you translate the first part of your sentence ???

    if someone as a soul he must have some kind of body and God as a soul ,and your comment in your last sentence is ridicule ;

    the one that create his not what he create ;the inventor is not the invention,

    you start not to make sens ,

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    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ June 06 2013,05:15)
    Yes Mike,
    You and terraricca have a lot in common.


    2bee

    yes we have and it is the truth of scriptures ,

    #346544
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,05:03)
    Should we be surprised, Pierre?  After all, we are dealing with four people who believe so many of the same unscriptural things, right?  So why then would we be surprised that all four of them also agree that all of creation exists INSIDE OF the God who created it?

    Abe keeps posting scriptures that say how God can metaphorically be “in” us, and apparently assumes God being in us is the same thing as us literally existing within the being of God Almighty.

    Kerwin's posts make no sense whatsoever, as he is doing the same thing he always does here:  Inventing oddball doctrines that could never have the scriptures as their origin.  Another year or two, and Kerwin and Charles are going to be twin brothers – spouting all kinds of bizarre and unscriptural things.

    And Gene is up to his same old, same old:  Agreeing with ANYONE who disagrees with Pierre and Mike – whether or not he even believes what they are saying.  :)

    I thank God that there are people on this site like you and t8………. people who actually have a grasp of what the scriptures teach.  God is most definitely DISTINCT FROM His creation.  If we existed WITHIN the being of God Almighty, it would make us a PART OF God Almighty, IMO.

    You have it correct, Pierre.  Creation exists outside of the God who created it.  You are also correct that there must be something that separates the being of God from the things that are NOT the being of God.  That “something” can rightly be called a body.  Paul calls it a “form” in Phil 2.

    peace and love to you my friend,
    mike


    Mike

    agreed ,but what is strange with their believe is that being as they say IN GOD and yet have nothing to show for it ,

    they quote scriptures just like religion leaders but to the explanation of it either it is not their or they make opinions ,

    we know that God call us to be in unity with him so to benefit from his wisdom ,and promise that he has given by making a new covenant with his son and his son with all men through his apostles,

    glad you are their and t8 also I really feel bless with you two

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