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Is it true that YOU say the Word of God used to BE God Himself, because before the beginning, there was ONLY God? YES or NO?YES.
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Is it true that YOU say God caused His Word to take on a form, and become a DIFFERENT living, breathing BEING – who then obeyed all God's commands? YES or NO?YES.
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Answer those two with honesty (knowing that I can go back and find the posts where you said these things)…… and then we can move forward.OK.
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As for the name of God's firstborn, I have already told you THREE TIMES (five if you count the other threads in which you asked the same question) that his name in heaven was “Jesus” – even before he was born as a human being on earth.I DISAGREE. IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD,AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD. NOT JESUS WITH GOD.
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You disagree with me about that, right? Okay then……. if JESUS was NOT the first being God ever created, YOU tell ME the name of the one who WAS the first being God ever created. And then tell me WHY it is important for us to know that name.HE HAS NO NAME,BECAUSE HE IS GOD'S OWN WORD.
JUST AS YOUR WORD HAS NO NAME.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,11:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,13:44) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2014,06:31) It does not mean that the Holy Ghost indwelt him at that time. The Holy Ghost indwelt him after he was baptized in water at the Jordan river.
Exactly.
I don't know why others have so much trouble accepting this.
I don't accept that Jesus lived his first 30 years on earth completely void of the Holy Spirit. The idea is absurd to people like Wakeup and me.First of all, he was FATHERED by the Holy Spirit. How could he not have even an inkling of that Spirit dwelling in him from the moment he was conceived in the womb of Mary?
Secondly, who exactly led Jesus to the synagogue when he was 12? What 12 year old kid tells his mother that she should have known he would be about his Father's business?
And lastly, who led Jesus to be baptized by John in the first place? When John tried to tell Jesus that he was the one who needed to be baptized by Jesus, Jesus told John that it must happen this way for “all righteousness to be fulfilled”. Who told that to Jesus? Was that just something Jesus' own human mind made up?
These are some of the things that make me believe Jesus was ALWAYS led by Spirit, but received that Spirit IN FULL MEASURE at his baptism.
Hi Mike,I fully agree
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,08:28) God was his literal Father, Pierre. God used His Holy Spirit to impregnate Mary with the seed of the human Jesus. The wording doesn't mean God's Holy Spirit was a PERSON, who was the LITERAL father of Jesus. It means GOD fathered Jesus BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit.
Mikei do not deny that God was Christ father ,he was twice his father first at the creation of all things “THE SON OF GOD”
when God uses his powers to bring him down to become also “THE SON OF MAN ” THIS IS TO SAVE MEN ”
as I understand it it was never for the holy spirit (spirit of truth)to do the works of God ,but God did all the works through his power according to his spirit of truth ,
this is how I understand it ,this is what the whole scriptures teach not that verse by it self says, the love of God is not based on one verse but on the history of God ,almighty,
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Is it true that YOU say the Word of God used to BE God Himself, because before the beginning, there was ONLY God? YES or NO?YES.
Thank you.Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,21:12) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)
Is it true that YOU say God caused His Word to take on a form, and become a DIFFERENT living, breathing BEING – who then obeyed all God's commands? YES or NO?YES.
Thank you. So then my only question is this:If God caused a being who didn't previously exist to come into existence, wouldn't that amount to God CREATING a new being?
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As for the name of God's firstborn………. his name in heaven was “Jesus” – even before he was born as a human being on earth.I DISAGREE. IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD,AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD. NOT JESUS WITH GOD.
But isn't it “JESUS” who has the name “The Word of God” in Revelation 19:13? Aren't “Jesus” and “The Word of God” the same exact person? If so, then how can you say “the Word” was with God, but “Jesus” wasn't?Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,21:12) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)
You disagree with me about that, right? Okay then……. if JESUS was NOT the first being God ever created, YOU tell ME the name of the one who WAS the first being God ever created. And then tell me WHY it is important for us to know that name.HE HAS NO NAME,BECAUSE HE IS GOD'S OWN WORD.
JUST AS YOUR WORD HAS NO NAME.
I think you misunderstood the question. I'm saying: If “the Word” was NOT the first being to be CREATED by God, then who WAS? What is the name of the first being to be created by God?(Thank you for your direct and to-the-point answers, Wakeup.
)Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2014,03:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,08:28) God was his literal Father, Pierre. God used His Holy Spirit to impregnate Mary with the seed of the human Jesus. The wording doesn't mean God's Holy Spirit was a PERSON, who was the LITERAL father of Jesus. It means GOD fathered Jesus BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit.
Mikei do not deny that God was Christ father ,he was twice his father first at the creation of all things “THE SON OF GOD”
when God uses his powers to bring him down to become also “THE SON OF MAN ” THIS IS TO SAVE MEN ”
as I understand it it was never for the holy spirit (spirit of truth)to do the works of God ,but God did all the works through his power according to his spirit of truth ,
this is how I understand it ,this is what the whole scriptures teach not that verse by it self says, the love of God is not based on one verse but on the history of God ,almighty,
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i do not deny that God was Christ father ,he was twice his father first at the creation of all things “THE SON OF GOD”You are against what is written in John 1.
***and the Word was God***;
Not the son of God.wakeup.
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Is it true that YOU say the Word of God used to BE God Himself, because before the beginning, there was ONLY God? YES or NO?YES.
Thank you.Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,21:12) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)
Is it true that YOU say God caused His Word to take on a form, and become a DIFFERENT living, breathing BEING – who then obeyed all God's commands? YES or NO?YES.
Thank you. So then my only question is this:If God caused a being who didn't previously exist to come into existence, wouldn't that amount to God CREATING a new being?
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As for the name of God's firstborn………. his name in heaven was “Jesus” – even before he was born as a human being on earth.I DISAGREE. IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD,AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD. NOT JESUS WITH GOD.
But isn't it “JESUS” who has the name “The Word of God” in Revelation 19:13? Aren't “Jesus” and “The Word of God” the same exact person? If so, then how can you say “the Word” was with God, but “Jesus” wasn't?Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,21:12) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)
You disagree with me about that, right? Okay then……. if JESUS was NOT the first being God ever created, YOU tell ME the name of the one who WAS the first being God ever created. And then tell me WHY it is important for us to know that name.HE HAS NO NAME,BECAUSE HE IS GOD'S OWN WORD.
JUST AS YOUR WORD HAS NO NAME.
I think you misunderstood the question. I'm saying: If “the Word” was NOT the first being to be CREATED by God, then who WAS? What is the name of the first being to be created by God?(Thank you for your direct and to-the-point answers, Wakeup.
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MIkeb.I did not say that the being was first created.
God had just Given *HIS EXISTING WORD*.
THAT WAS ALWAYS IN GOD, *A FORM*.
(A NEW ROBE SO TO SPEAK).God's Word is a living Word in God.
Then God gave that same Word a form.
The same Word,is not new;just a different appearence.He has **always existed IN God**.( the Word *WAS* God)John 1.
Then brought forth out of God with a form.
The same Word.(and the Word was *WITH* God).john 1.The Word was NOT created, nor the Word with a form.
The Word was when God was: with form or not.wakeup.
wakeup.
hi wakeup
You are against what is written in John 1.
***and the Word was God***;
Not the son of God.wakeup.
JUST BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO SEE THE TRUTH IN THAT VERSE DOES NOT MAKE MY SAYING WRONG ,OTHER SCRIPTURES SUPPORT MY UNDERSTANDING BUT YOU HAVE 50 SCRIPTURES THAT ARE AGAINST YOUR VIEW
Wakeup said:
MIkeb.
I did not say that the being was first created.
God had just Given *HIS EXISTING WORD*.
THAT WAS ALWAYS IN GOD, *A FORM*.Wakeup,
Unless “The Word” was a separate living entity inside of God (which would mean that God AND another entity have existed from eternity), then it is a matter of God giving a beginning to a separate living entity WHO didn’t exist until the time God gave HIM an existence.
Which one do you believe?
A. The separate living entity who obeyed God’s commands, and who later became flesh has ALWAYS existed AS A SEPARATE LIVING ENTITY inside of God?
B. At first there was ONLY God Himself, and then later, God caused a separate living entity to exist along with Him?
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all things and by means of him all things were made to exists.”
– The Bible
13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things [z]hold together.
18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.THE SON IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.
We must be careful that we do not deny the son of God.
T8….ARE WE NOT ALSO MADE IN THE “IMAGE” OF GOD? “In the image of God created them, male and female created He (GOD THE FATHER) THEM.
BEING IN GOD’S LIKENESS IN NO WAY MEANS YOU ARE A GOD T8.
THE image created by the fallen church of Jesus being a God is a “Lie”, and JESUS never created anything himself, he himself could not do anything, of himself. Yes, we are to honor and bow to the authority of JESUS, (TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER) lets not leave that part out, lest you fall into error of many T8.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.”
Who is the HIM?
First recall the PROMISE, then recall that Jesus the MAN was PERFECTED on earth and BECAME the Son of God, he is called the firstborn over all creation, WHICH CREATION? The creation that turned to a world of sin? …or the creation that starts from the FIRSTBORN of the dead?
“For by Him”, represents the MAN who was raised from the dead, of which was foreknown and foreordained before the creation in Genesis.
Jodi good point, i also believe this whole creation was planned for mankind from the very beginning, even future planets in the heavens will be colonienized by mankind i believe. “For it has not even entered into the mind of man the things God has prepaird for us.” We are God’s highest creation, we will even judge angels according to scriptures, God has crowned us with glory and honor and has put everything under the foot of man just as it says, “in that he sayeth “all” things there is “nothing” that is not under the foot of man. Jesus is the first to achieve that goal, we are to follow him with God’s help.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi T8,
Indeed the Spirit is of eternity.
The Word was with God and the Word was God.
Hi Nick,
I fully agree with you here.
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God bless
Ed J“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.”
Who is the HIM?
First recall the PROMISE, then recall that Jesus the MAN was PERFECTED on earth and BECAME the Son of God, he is called the firstborn over all creation, WHICH CREATION? The creation that turned to a world of sin? …or the creation that starts from the FIRSTBORN of the dead?
“For by Him”, represents the MAN who was raised from the dead, of which was foreknown and foreordained before the creation in Genesis.
Good post Jodi
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