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Jesus and the woman at the well

Many confess that Jesus Christ is God and part of the Trinity.

Q: So who in scripture also confessed that? A: No one.

Diagram of the Trinity Doctrine

Ancient diagram of the Trinity

Instead:

Peter confessed that Jesus Christ was the son of God and the messiah.

Paul confessed that there was one God the Father and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus confessed that eternal life was to know the only true God and Jesus Christ who the one true God sent.

The Father confessed that Jesus is his beloved son.

What is the true confession and how does that compare to your confession.
Who is Jesus really.

Can he be the messiah, son of God, and Lord, and yet also be God at the same time? Is he really the son of himself?

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  • June 28, 2015 at 9:24 am#800315
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Stop feeling sorry for yourself and stay within what scripture teaches.

    June 28, 2015 at 9:38 am#800322
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Why do you offer two deities and not three?

     

    June 28, 2015 at 10:17 am#800334
    DavidL
    Participant

    What are you talking about..?

     

    June 28, 2015 at 1:05 pm#800360
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Is a DEITY not a god?

    June 13, 2016 at 3:14 pm#814815
    hoghead1
    Participant

    The Trinity is, no doubt, one of the most problematic doctrines in Christendom.  Most of the Trinitarian formulations are extra-biblical in nature and involve concepts foreign to Scripture, such as “substance,” which was borrowed from Hellenic substance metaphysics.   The problem is that the Bible is not a book of metaphysics or systematic theology.  The Bible actually says very little about how God is built.  All we have are snap shots that often conflict.  In some passages Christ is identified with God, in others, no.   That’s why the fathers  looked to Hellenic metaphysics, to put together a systematic picture of God as he is in his own nature. The Bible presents a highly anthropomorphic picture of God, attributing emotion and also change to God.  The Greeks, however,  enshrined the immune and the immutable. Quite a contrast. The fathers went on Hellenic standards of perfection, which enshrined the immune and the immutable. God was defined as  a wholly simple, immutable, nonrelational being, a monad.  Then they turned around and tried to introduce the highly complex, relational machinery of the Trinity into this monad.  The result was confusion and contradiction. Si I firmly believe that if we are to make any real progress with the Trinity, we need to rethink our basic model of God.

    June 17, 2016 at 12:54 pm#814992
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Why do we need to make progress with the Trinity?

    At first there was one God. Then certain men crept in and changed God into a Binity. Some decades later, the Holy Spirit was added to complete the Trinity and men have been arguing over that since. Is this not foolish? Changing God into an idol or an image born from a mere human’s mind is not a good thing.

    God declares himself. The spirit of man cannot fathom God. Why even try? Just believe what God has revealed about himself. That is being led by God’s own spirit.

    These are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

    The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

    For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

    June 17, 2016 at 1:17 pm#814994
    hoghead1
    Participant

    That isn’t the way it happened, t8.  What did go down is that teh early fathers, working with Scripture, received, from the texts,  strong implications that there was a Trinity. The prologue to Jn. is one exam[le.  Also, Christ says, “I and the Father are one.”  At the same time, there were biblical passages that did seem to contradict the notion Christ was God, such as those stressing Christ’s subordinate statue to the Father. The problem was how to reconcile these.  Is the Divine that rules in Heaven identical with teh Divine that makes it’s presence felt on earth?  That was the big question. Largely, the Holy Spirit was ignored at first, as they were having too much trouble deciding about the Christ event and so had no time to discuss a more ubiquitous sense of God’s presence.   So, early Christians were often mocked for being “ditheists,” not tritheists.    Augustine himself said that very little had been written on the Spirit.  Gregory of Naizanzus said that there was great confusion over the Spirit, that some considered it God, others energy, and still others did not know what to think,” out of reverence to Scripture, which makes no clear statement.” Although Trinitarians are fond of saying the  Nicene Creed is one of the finest early affirmations of the Trinity, much depends on what version of the Creed you read.  The original only mentioned the Holy Spirit, said absolutely nothing about whether it was Deity or not.  The section we currently have on the Spirit was not added until around 500 AD.  While it implies the Spirit is Deity, it never comes out and says so, never says the Spirit is “very God of God, of one substance with the Father,” etc.   I hold the Spirit is God, in that he Bible early speaks of God’s Spirit, whereby God’s omnipresence is denoted.

    As a theologian, I have to do justice to both sides of teh equation.   I do so by acknowledging that the Trinity has always been a very complicated matter, that the Bible is ambiguous here.  Those who affirm the trinity have ample Scripture to back them, and those who deny the Trinity also find biblical passages to back their position. I think both sides get hung up  on the whole question of whether God is omnipresent, largely because both sides followed the dualistic, classical model of God.

    July 24, 2016 at 10:47 am#816175
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Hoghead,

    Yes men have wandered far into the marshes of confusion trying to understand God with their carnal minds.

    They pile insult upon insult to their Maker in doing so.

    Come out of her.

    August 5, 2016 at 2:57 pm#816563
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @hoghead1

    That isn’t the way it happened, t8. What did go down is that teh early fathers, working with Scripture, received, from the texts, strong implications that there was a Trinity.

    The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. Initially, both the requirements of monotheism inherited from the Hebrew Scriptures and the implications of the need to interpret the biblical teaching to Greco-Roman religions seemed to demand that the divine in Christ as the Word, or Logos, be interpreted as subordinate to the Supreme Being. An alternative solution was to interpret Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three modes of the self-disclosure of the one God but not as distinct within the being of God itself. The first tendency recognized the distinctness among the three, but at the cost of their equality and hence of their unity (subordinationism); the second came to terms with their unity, but at the cost of their distinctness as “persons” (modalism). It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons.

    The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since. It is accepted in all of the historic confessions of Christianity,

    Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Trinity-Christianity

    December 28, 2017 at 7:03 am#820470
    Planks AndNails
    Participant

    Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” – John 20:28

    Thomas was affirming Christ’s earlier teaching to him that to see and believe in him was to see and believe in the Father. Christ declared and explained the Father in terms of everything he said and did. He is the way to the Father and through him we know the Father. Christ explained that they saw the Father when they saw him because the Father abiding in him did the works.

    Since seeing Christ meant seeing the Father, Thomas said t, “My Lord and my God.” Thomas is confessing what the entire Gospel of John is about.

    Christ made the Father known to the people of the world. The only begotten declares and explains the Father. For that reason, to see Christ is to see the Father. To see the Lord Jesus is to see the Father, our God, and Jesus Christ’s God. In the same way when other see Christ in us, it does not make us literally Christ, but rather Christ by the Holy Spirit working through us.

    Blessed are you Thomas. Because you have SEEN, you have believed. – John 20:29

    He who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me.

    He who sees me SEES Him who sent me. – John 12:44-45

    That is the meaning of, “My Lord and my God.”

     

    December 28, 2017 at 7:49 am#820471
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi P and N,

    You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    That is the confession of Peter and mine too.

     

    To understand the words of Thomas go to Jn 14.

    You see he was in the audience when the Lord said

    ”He who hs seen me has seen the Father…Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?”

    Compare 2Cor 5.19

    ”namely that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself”

     

    Thomas listened well and he said when he saw Jesus.

    ”My Lord

    AND

    My God”

     

     

     

     

    December 28, 2017 at 8:35 am#820472
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Planks,

    Looks like you understand John 20:28 : )
    You are right, you must conflate
    what John said, with what
    Jesus said to Phillip.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    December 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm#820490
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi Plankandnails. Thanks for your input on this subject. I tend to agree that two are being referred to. And that he is the image of the invisible God.

    December 28, 2017 at 5:16 pm#820499
    Mark Joseph
    Participant

    I feel sometimes God was talking thru His Son.  I don’t know what passages or book it was in. I’ll have to do some research.

    December 28, 2017 at 5:21 pm#820500
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mark,

    Yes.

    Before Abraham I am.

    December 31, 2017 at 11:23 pm#820561
    Miia
    Participant

    January 1, 2018 at 1:13 pm#820569
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    God speaks through his servants by inspiration. I don’t think he speaks through them in the same manner he used a donkey. The latter is a type of possession where God directly speaks. In the case of scripture and the disciples, you can see that the vessel is speaking as them, but the words are God’s will or message.

    January 1, 2018 at 9:57 pm#820576
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    So when Jesus spoke about rebuilding this temple in 3 days in Jn 2 were the words from him alone?

    The Spirit of the Father speaks through us when we are called in front of a judge he told us.

    January 3, 2018 at 5:56 pm#820618
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    He will give us the words to speak. So we would likely say that God has said…. We wouldn’t say, I am God…

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