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    I can’t disagree with what you have wrote.

    I think his love is unconditional, but legally, he is also just and there are requirements, legally speaking.

    For example. You might have a son or daughter that you love with all your heart no matter what. But you are not going to give them a free pass on lying to others or killing someone.

    Even if…[Read more]

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    Jodi replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

    DT,

    Let each accusation you have against Paul have sound scriptural proof.

    YOU: Who are we to love first? This statement is a false teaching, you can’t possibly know how to love your neighbor without loving God first. So it’s not one command as Paul says; there are two and there’s a reason why the first command of loving God is first. How are w…[Read more]

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    Jodi replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

    Hey there DT!

    You believe Paul is a liar a deceiver and that he even boldly states that he is a thief…, whatever else you want to accuse him of, let each accusation have sound scriptural proof. 

    YOU:

    I don’t recall ever reading such statements to other churches. The point was why did Paul unashamedly use the term “robbing” other church…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Jodi,

    I suppose we could go back and forth with our understanding on what these passages say/mean and will never come to an agreement; we view the NT differently. The change for me began with Paul saying according to scripture the messiah was to die for the sins of mankind and be buried and raised up on the third day. The statement “according t…[Read more]

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    Jodi replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

    Hi DT,

    I couldn’t help but notice the conversation going on between you and Carmel involving the curse given to Jeconiah. I am going to post on the “Conception” thread to speak about this and hope that you will reply there.

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    Jodi replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

    Hey there DT!

    YOU: You then site I John as proof to Paul’s understanding, except Paul was gallivanting all over eastern Rome would he have received this letter John wrote? Upon further investigation we find the letter to Galatians was written around AD 48 and it’s believed John wrote his letter around AD 95 -110. Unless we have another time tra…[Read more]

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    Jodi ou said……>”DT it’s like you have no interest in context and understanding whatsoever, and in this negligence you slander Paul making assertions that are far from the truth.”

    Jodi, not only does DT, “IGNOR CONTEXT”,  and make false assertions against, Paul, but also against Peter, and the other apostles and even Jesus Christ, himself,  but ev…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    I have been to Mechon Mamre, but they use the JPS translation and am not really a fan of it as it reads very similar to the KJV. The positive with the JPS is they haven’t changed the tenses of verbs to make them appear to be referring to the future. Additionally, because I don’t know Hebrew, the site became pointless; so I found ano…[Read more]

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    carmel replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

    Hi DT,

    You: @Carmel,

    Why would I go with an Aramaic translation when we have access to the Hebrew? You found an interesting translation;

    how long did it take for you to find that butchering of God’s word?

    ME: for the sake of the truth:

    ALL MY LIFE:

    FROM MY SIDE THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE DOING AS WELL!!! NO???

     

    HERE IS WHAT YOU ASKED F…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    Why would I go with an Aramaic translation when we have access to the Hebrew? You found an interesting translation; how long did it take for you to find that butchering of God’s word?

    KJV “Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the…[Read more]

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    carmel replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

     

    Hi DT.

    <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: I’m wanting to make sure I understand what God said first before trying understand the meanings behind what a bunch of sages debated.</span>

    FIRST AND FOREMOST, WITH EVERY RESPECT, KNOWING YOU AND YOUR PERSPECTIVES, ENTIRELY PHYSICAL;

    YOU ARE IN A VERY UNREALISTIC  SITUATION I’M AFRAID,  AS UND…[Read more]

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    Jodi replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

    Hi DT,

    YOU: Are you claiming Paul wasn’t being paid? How was Paul able to travel all over the eastern Roman Empire, unless he received financial support.

    ME: Uh NO,  I have absolutely no clue how in me saying false apostles are getting paid somehow equates to me declaring that Paul wasn’t receiving donations so that he could travel around to sp…[Read more]

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    @desiretruth

    The Bible is real, true, and the word of God.

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    @Danny,

    Who determines what the “truth” is?

    Whose “truth” is correct?

     

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    @Gene,

    I will allow you to continue beating that dead “law” horse; if you can’t comprehend the words written in front of you, that’s a personal problem and you will remain lost in your own ignorance. I will not allow you to drag me into your pit.

    I’ve asked you what commands, statutes, and laws God said Abraham kept and you keep running in this…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    Consulting the Talmud!?!? That’s not a path I would dare venture down at this point in my studies; I’m wanting to make sure I understand what God said first before trying understand the meanings behind what a bunch of sages debated.

    You quoted from Sanhedrin 37b – 38a “Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Exile atones for all transgressions and rende…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Danny Dabbs

    AMEN Gene!

    God bless

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT, YOU said……..>No where did you articulate where in the Tanakh God said man is justified by following HIS commands. Answer the question!

    You: You don’t call a statue a “LAW”

    Me: You are correct you don’t call a “statue” a law; but “statutes” are; what are state statutes, if not state law?

    Cornell Law School: statute: A statute is a law en…[Read more]

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    carmel replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 5 months ago

    Hi DT,

    You: Nothing in what you wrote supported why Jechoniah should be in the lineage of Jesus,

    Me: I agree!

    Thus as I am not that KEEN and as familiar as YOU ARE with the Hebrew scriptures I opted to do some research, THROUGH A JEW AND RABBINIC SOURCES.

    They also agree that God reversed the curse on Jeconiah, which they attribute to…[Read more]

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