Mike:  Genesis 1:1 also says in the plural: GODS….. WHO ARE THESE GODS?

Carmel:  OBVIOUS:

THE CREATED GODS!

LUCIFER WAS ONE OF THEM!

So Genesis 1:1 says that in the beginning, the gods (including Lucifer) created the heaven and the earth?  Are you sure?

LU:  I believe that post about John 1c is about two different persons who are both referred to as theos.

That is correct.  Just like Job 1 and 2 are about the discourse between two different persons (Yahweh and Satan) who are both referred to all throughout scripture as gods.

Proclaimer: You are free to believe in two Gods.

But in John 1:1, one is the God and the other is the Word. That is what it clearly says.

The Bible clearly and undeniably teaches about the existence of many different gods.  John 1:1 speaks about a god who was with the Most High God in the beginning, and has, as one of his many titles, the Word o…[Read more]

LU: In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment.

Proclaimer do you believe that the sun will not perish when the heavens perish? Do you think the sun remains and its years will never end?

Oh no she didn’t! 🙂

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Berean: Apparently God created the heavens…. (first)

Is this really the case when we consider verse 2 from the human point of view?

The answer is no

BUT GOD CALLS THINGS THAT ARE NOT AS IF THEY ARE….(Rom.4:17)

Proclaimer, I’m curious to see what you think about Berean using Romans 4:17 to support the fact that the heaven wasn’t created unti…[Read more]

Berean: Apparently God created the heavens…. (first)

Is this really the case when we consider verse 2 from the human point of view?

And the earth was formless and empty; and darkness covered the face of the abyss. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The answer is no

BUT FROM GOD’S POINT OF VIEW WE CAN BELIEVE THAT IT IS,…

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Proclaimer

WhatI believe is that CHRIST in the BEGINNING HAS, by being begotten directly from the Father, the same “divine attributes” as his Father which are omnipotence,
omniscience
omnipresence,
eternity.

His life in the flesh, which was a life of total victory, ALLOWS HIM TO KEEP HIS ORIGINAL DIVINE ATTRIBUTES WHICH HE WOULD HAVE LOST IF HE…[Read more]

LU:  Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Proclaimer:  Read it carefully. It is not saying that the earth will have no sun or moon.

Revelation 22:5… There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp o…[Read more]

Berean, this is settled is it not?

There is the God who is the Father, and there was the Word that came from God who became flesh and was given the name Yeshua / Jesus. He existed with God in the beginning and all things were created through him and for him. it was the Word that became flesh and it was God who was manifest in flesh. If Jesus…[Read more]

 
Begotten in the Express Image of God
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should ALL FULNESS dwell.” “9 For in him dwelleth ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY” (Col. 1:19; 2:9, KJV)

Other Bible renditions essentially convey the same message as the KJV, but the Amplified Bible rendition truly amplified the message with clarit…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Before the closing of Day 1, God created the heavens and the earth.

Heaven was created on day two, not day one.

Proclaimer:  Day 4 has the sun, moon, and stars in the vault. Not in the universe.

The universe is “everything that exists at any given time”.

Proclaimer:  Is the vault the universe? No.

Correct.  The vault is the firm…[Read more]

Gene 

Everything you accuse me of doing or not doing is what you do or don’t do. In fact, you transfer to me what you are yourself.
You could do much better than that, Mr. Gene.

You

I ASKED YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION, “How can Jesus be “himself” the word of God?, in light of this scripture,

John 14:10……“Believe you not that I am ”in” the Fat…[Read more]

LU:  How about this, the “light” was the glory of God on day one as it entered the dimension of creation. The sun did not appear until day four when it was created.

That’s a lot closer than Proclaimer has gotten so far, but how about this:  God created light on the first day, and then created the sun on day four?

That is, after all, what God c…[Read more]

And Proclaimer, in the likely chance that you say eleven questions is too many as an excuse to not answer any of them, I will repost the two most important right here:

1.  PROCLAIMER, IF YOU CREATED A VIRTUAL WORLD, WOULD YOU TELL YOUR VIRTUAL PEOPLE THAT YOU DID SOMETHING IN SIX DAYS AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH – AND EVEN UNDENIABLY EQUATE TH…[Read more]

Proclaimer, the previous five posts contain a total of eleven direct questions that require a direct and honest answer from you… and zero unrelated pontification about pizzas and metaphors and satellites that are irrelevant to those questions.

Only one of the eleven questions requires more than a Yes or a No – but feel free to answer them all…[Read more]

Proclaimer, in the previous four posts, I have included nine direct questions for you to answer directly and honestly.  Seven of the nine only require a yes or a no – although you are free to answer them any way you wish.  In other words, although the number of questions is large, it should only take you a couple of minutes to answer all of t…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  This view too follows observation from both astronomical and quantum observation… 

I think these three potentials above blow away the 6000 year old pizza model. That model appears to be more like a fairy tale for grownups who deny satellites and science…

Such are waiting for the return of a Jesus who has a samurai sword coming f…

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Berean…….Your problem is you cherry pick our scriptures to the exclusion of the rest of them , and try to make your points,  you can never get the real trite by doing that .  You reject and fail to deal with scriptures that completely disagree with what you say,  you force even the text you use to say what in fact they do say,  this is how I k…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  THIRD POSSIBILITY
The third option…is the universe is like a virtual world. Perhaps virtual to God and real to us. 

Proclaimer, can the creator of a virtual world also exist within that world?  If so, what defines that world as “virtual” instead of “real”?

Proclaimer: In that case, 6 stages of building this cosmos and could be in an…

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Proclaimer: SECOND POSSIBILITY
The second option assumes by the end of the first day, the universe is in existence. This includes a watery planet earth with God’s Spirit moving over the deep. Read it for yourself. Take the term ‘Day 1’ then look before that term to see what has been accomplished. Note points 1-5 are there before the evening of Day…

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