Mike

According to your knowledge what are the beings or the being
generated /made(ginomai) by God so much better than angels?

Adam:  I also differ from your interpretation of Deut 32:8-9 as the original text clearly states that Yahweh the god of Israelites was a subordinate to Most High (Elyon) and one among the sons of god (El may the Most High) as it is written “When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the pe…

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Gene:  The language of the text in Gen 1:1&2,  does lend itsef to a past existence,  Mike.

Not even a chance, Gene.  Read…

Mark 10:6… But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

Will you now argue that by “the beginning of creation”, Jesus really meant, “14 billion years after the beginning of creation”?

Berean:  Who(Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God…

That’s a bad translation, Berean.  Try this one…

Who, existing in the form of a god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped…

LU:  HN would be a  more intelligent place to discuss things regarding faith if this concept was not continually mis-understood by Proclaimer, Mike, and you, Gene and some others.

I created a new thread for the sole purpose of letting you explain our “misunderstandings” to us.  You balked because it was a public thread.  So then you created you…[Read more]

Berean:  The Son is the reflection of the glory of the Father, the very imprint of HIS PERSON.
WHICH MEANS AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT HE SHARES THE ATTRIBUTES OF HIS FATHER:

OMNIPOTENCE
OMNISCIENCE
OMNIPRESENCE….

We already know from Jesus that he isn’t omnipotent, since he tells us that he can do nothing without his own God.

And we know he is…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  He is the son of God, the messiah, and lord of God’s creation.

You must be a member of the Satanic cult of the Jehovah’s Witnesses!  Therefore I win this and any future scriptural debates!

See how utterly stupid those kinds of statements are, Proclaimer?  Did my statement actually REFUTE anything you said?  Nope.  It was nothin…[Read more]

Adam:  This is the reason why I always argue with Mike, Proclaimer  and Gene on Jesus who was declared as Co-person with God in all activities starting from the first creation and ending with new creation mainly based on the NT.

Nonsense.  The NT doesn’t teach any such “Co-person”, but instead an obedient servant and prophet of God named Jesus.

LU: The book of John claims that Jesus was _______…

A god who was with THE God in the beginning.

LU:  The book of Hebrews claims that Jesus was _______…

A god whose own God set him above his peers.

Carmel: The above scriptures Mike, determine The heaven and the earth of Genesis 1:1 originally created perfect, and also, at a certain moment in time there was a rebellion and nations were destroyed!

No they don’t.  You INTERPRET them that way, but they absolutely, positively do NOT “determine” what you say they do.

Berean:  I am not against TRUE SCIENCE, GOD’S SCIENCE. TO ME, THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS A FALSE SCIENCE.

That whole post was great, Berean.  But please let me elaborate on your statement above… there simply is no science behind the so-called “Theory of Evolution”.

Common descent evolution is the epitome of Scientism.  Ther…[Read more]

Proclaimer: God will renew the earth with fire next. So ask yourself how God will make a new heavens and new earth because you obviously have to hold that God will actually delete the current heavens and earth and rebuild a new one from scratch. If so, then to be consistent with your teaching, you are forced to also believe that you will not…

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..Mike……We’re not talking about other places in scriptures, we are talking about the language used in Gen 1v1&2,  non of that even has the words,  “he created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH on the (FIRST DAY) in it”, that is something you have added to that text.  Even the text you quoted in Exodus dosen’t say he created the “heavens” and earth in…[Read more]

Proclaimer: What I think you are really saying:

As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care about science until it goes along with my interpretation which is the stance that the SDA takes regarding this passage in THE WORD OF GOD.

What does SDA have to do with it?  When you argue that Jesus is the Son of God and not God Himself, has anyone ever said…[Read more]

Gene:  There is evidence both from scripture and science that supports  this earth is way older then just 6000 years. 

No there isn’t.  There is nothing in scripture or in science that suggest an earth older than from Adam and Eve until today.

Carmel: Whether you answer or not it’s your pigeon!  EXPLAIN WHY JESUS WAS SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD!

You are using a very nonsensical mistranslation of the verse.  I’ll let the 25 TRINITARIAN translators of the NET Bible explain it to you…

Revelation 13:8 NET ©
and all those who live on the earth will worship the bea…[Read more]

Adam: Yes there was nothing happened prior to this so called creation event as per the 1st story of the creation in Genesis 1. This was also confirmed by the earliest interpreters of this story…

Adam speaking sensibly and according to the Bible.

Adam:  So this God was tired and needed rest so that he had to fix Seventh Day for refreshing.

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Proclaimer:  So your explanation is simply that God created trees and plants and they sprouted fruit and seeds all within the same 24 hour period. Lol. Outside of any personal miracle, this has not been observed in nature ever. Sounds like flat young earth scientism to me. I don’t think you are convincing anyone with that argument.

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Proclaimer:  Berean, there is not enough in the text to state what you said as a fact. And I think gene is saying that the text can support his view.

Everything Berean stated is UNEQUIVOCALLY supported by the Biblical text.  What Gene is suggesting is unequivocally CONTRADICTED by the Biblical text.

In Ex 20:11 and 31:17, Yahweh Himself i…[Read more]

Mike:  We actually do know.  It was WITHIN the six days of creation – which occurred about 6000 years ago.

Proclaimer:  Who is we? The Flat Earth community?

The “we” is people who believe the Bible and hold it as our ultimate authority.  You are not part of the “we”.