Carmel: NOW TO GENESIS 2:4…

These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. 

ABOVE IS NOT A SUMMARY OF WHAT’S TO FOLLOW, BUT AN INTRODUCTION PRECISELY TO THE PROCESS OF THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

I like that terminology.  Gen 2:4 is an introd…[Read more]

Carmel, here is a freebie for you.  Frank said:

The Hebrew verb translated as “made” is “asah”. This verb is used seven times in chapter 1, GENESIS 1:31 = God saw everything that He had MADE.

Frank isn’t stupid.  He knows full well that 1:31 – in and of itself – completely destroys his argument, and so he tries to get ahead of the destructi…[Read more]

Carmel:  Go ahead Mike, teach Frank 

Is Frank here to stand and defend his misunderstandings and bizarre claims that are nowhere to be found in scripture?  If not, then YOU’LL have to choose what you think is Frank’s best argument, and put in in your own words so that you CAN stand and defend it against my scrutiny.

Huge copy and paste jobs do…[Read more]

Carmel: ANSWER MIKE PLEASE:

In the above description when a human being is CREATED, FORMED, MADE, AND ESTABLISHED,

is it all the same exact thing for you?

 

YES OR NO PLEASE!

YES.  And not just for me, but for all rational people.

You’ll see all four words there – each of them synonymous with the others.  And as an added bonus for eve…[Read more]

I’ve answered that question two different times now on this very page.  Perhaps you could spend 10 minutes of your time to actually read what I used 2 hours of my time to write… then you’d see the two times I already answered your question.  Keep in mind as you’re reading that the posts are only as long as they are because I meticulously a…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: What if we compare it to, say, Genesis 2:4-5?

4These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. 5And no plant of the field was yet in the earth…

Do you see “the most vital conjunction AND” there?  Yep, it’s there in the Hebrew too.

So does vs 4 sp…[Read more]

Hi Mike.

I noticed you asked another question. But I am wondering if you can reply to this question first. Maybe you already have done that, but it is buried in your text somewhere. Regardless, it is easy to answer. Just a yes and no is required.

In Genesis 2:4,  how many days does it say took place for God to create the heaven and earth, and h…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Carmel, there is no distinction between “created” and “made” in the Genesis account. 

It’s just one of the many WEAK ploys you use in your attempt to force the scriptures into teaching what you want them to teach instead of just letting them teach you.

Go ahead Mike, teach Frank 

Feburary 2009
Frank W. Nelte
THE DIFFERENCES…[Read more]

Exactly. So forcing the creation days to be exactly 24 hours would make you a knucklehead. Especially considering what took place in these days. Plants can be created by God in any time period he likes, but for them to produce fruit and seeds etc means that we are looking at a long period of time, not 24 hours nor 24 seconds. And it is not just…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Isaiah 45:18… For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Just look at all those words Yahweh used to emphasize the same exact thing.  

Me: I’ll make it cle…[Read more]

Hi Carmel
Hi Berean,
You: According to Genesis 1 yes, according to Genesis 2:4 yes and no
Me: THANK YOU VERY MUCH Berean!
Now read according to this version:
DRB. Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.
But let’s take your vers…[Read more]

Carmel:  If the word “and” had not been there, the first verse might have been taken for a sort of summary of all the rest of the chapter; and thus hasty readers, and preachers, and commentators have been too disposed to treat it in expounding the chapter. They imagined that God’s creating in the beginning was set out in detail under the various…

[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I never stated that they were the same. Read what I said again…

“With the Lord a 24 hour period is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a 24 hour period.”

So then you understand that, if some knucklehead were to apply 2 Peter 3:8 to the creation account, that same knucklehead would have to allow for the days of…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Carmel, is it even remotely possible that this is the true meaning of Gen 1:1-2:3?  Yes or No?

ME; DEFINITELY NOT MY BROTHER IN CHRIST MIKE!

FOR THE SIMPLE RESON THT AFTER GENESIS 1:1

THERE IS THE MOST VITAL CONJUNCTION
AND…..
Hereunder is an article which you can read, precisely on the same argument you just posted, I am only…[Read more]

Carmel: GENESIS 2:4These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, IN THE DAY (why not “in the days” He made them in six days, no?) that the Lord God made (NOT CREATED) the heaven and the earth…

Funny you should bring this up, since I just addressed it to Proclaimer in our private thread a couple of hours ago.…[Read more]

Gene:  Proclaimer…….what makes you think being a partaker of the Devine nature, makes you not a human being?

Gene is another example.  Like Carmel, he knows some scriptures – but that’s the end of it.  His mind doesn’t work right anymore, and therefore his posts, like Carmel’s, are often a mish-mash of words that, although English, are strung…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You: According to Genesis 1 yes, according to Genesis 2:4 yes and no

Me: THANK YOU VERY MUCH Berean!

Now read according to this version:

DRB. Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.

But let’s take your version:

Genesis2:4…[Read more]

Berean:  Carmel, you are on dangerous ground… I don’t believe a single word you write.

I don’t think anyone here takes the nonsense Carmel posts seriously.  I personally believe he is mentally deranged.  I just grab snippets of the stuff he claims when it’s easy to show a quick scripture that refutes his claim.  Of course, then he’s off in la-la l…[Read more]

Carmel: GENESIS 1:1 IS CLEAR

IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS(FIRST)
AND THE EARTH

Heaven was created on day 2.  The earth on day 3.  Carmel, consider the following very carefully…

Gen 1:1…  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  (INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT)

Gen 1:2-31…  All the things God made, and the order in which…[Read more]