Do you agree that this is just as true according to the NASV1995:

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and the only begotten God, Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

If that is just as true and let’s assume it is, although I cannot vouch for that. Then if you read it as theos as in nature not identity, then I agree.

For those who haven’t been following along, Proclaimer has gotten himself into some real trouble on our private thread.  Every single argument he has made has been thoroughly and scripturally debunked by me.  And now he is unable to reasonably answer my “Must Answer” questions, and is stalling with irrelevant pontification.  Here are the question…

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Sorta like I am building a house through so and so the house builder.

Your not building a house. You are buying one.

The “He” is the Father. The Father made the world through his Son.Sorta like I am building a house through so and so the house builder.

When it says “HE made the world”, who is the He?

Mike,

Hebrews 1:1-2…  On many past occasions… God spoke to our fathers through the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us through His Son… through whom He also made the world.

As I read that, the verse identifies the Son as the one through whom the Father made the world. That clearly identifies the Son as making the world under…[Read more]

I think those writers are clearly identifying the Father who made them, not merely emphasizing Him over someone else. Also, why emphasize the Father when the Son is the one who literally made them? 🤔

But okay, what do you do with scriptures that identify the Son as someone other than the Creator? For example…

Hebrews 1:1-2…  On many past…[Read more]

Mike,

Thanks for the verses. You asked “Are you suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son, and Spirit is our “Father”?

I’m suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son and Spirit contains our “Father” as well as His Son and Their Spirit. The Father is the head of the Unity. Those verses are emphasizing the Father. One verse mentions the wor…[Read more]

Deuteronomy 32:6… Is this the way you repay Yahweh, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?

Malachi 2:10… Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?

Isaiah 64:8… Yet you, Yahweh, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hands.

Mike,

You said:

Many scriptures identify “the Father” as our Creator.  Are you suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son, and Spirit is our “Father”?

Can you put up a specific verse or a couple of them that say “Father” specifically.

Eureka, Berean!  They are indeed what we call angels. They are God’s spirit sons, and they are also gods – just like Yahweh and just about everyone else in the Bible calls them. 👍

Hi Brean,

You: NOW THE WORD “HEAVENS”

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Shamayim

dual of an unused singular shameh {shaw-meh’}; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):–air, X astrologer, heaven(…[Read more]

Hi Mike

Hey Berean!  I whittled down your three options to the only option that works.  What is your response

Me

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I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

the most plausible 👉 gods= angels

God bless

LU:  Hi Adam, did you answer my last question to you? 

I haven’t seen anything from Adam in two weeks or more.  I pray that he is okay.

LU: The Father gives the vision, the Son turns the vision into reality. Both are involved. The Father’s vision wasn’t turned into reality apart from the Son, imo.

They each had a role in creation therefore one did not create without the other. You want me to pick one…the one Unity of Yahweh (Father, Son and Spirit) was the creator.…

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Gene

No,  in the begining was step one and in that step God created the heavens and the earth,  that had nothing to do with a single day or day one,   As you falsely assume. 

Me

Gene, YOU ARE ALSO LIKE CARMEL ON VERY DANGEROUS TERRAIN, QUICKSAND OF FABULATION…

YOU STILL HAVE NOT PROVIDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF GENESIS 1:1,2 WAS BEFORE THE…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Did you address this question, If not here it is again.

Proclaimer, you said: Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Do you agree that this is just as true according to the NASV1995:

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and the only begotten…[Read more]

Hi Adam, did you answer my last question to you? If so, would you mind showing me your response? Thanks.

Here was my post to you:

It is refreshing that you also see that the NT is declaring Jesus as a “Co-person with God in all activities starting from the first creation and ending with new creation mainly based on the NT”, as you say.
Would you…[Read more]