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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    LU: My paraphrase: Their end is destruction, the god position they have put their appetite for earthly things in is higher than anything else in their life and will guide them right into destruction.

    I stand on my statement.

    And what is a “god position”?  Is that a high position?  A low one?  What is it based on?  And how can you say the word…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike: Is your Yahweh Unity ONE God (ie: one BEING) made up of multiple persons?  Or TWO Gods (ie: two BEINGS)?

     

    LU:  Neither.

    Okay, I’ll run with the last definition you gave for it then…

    LU: Yahweh is one God comprised of two persons.

    Got it.  Your doctrine is basically the Trinity Doctrine, but without the Holy Spirit being a person.  Know…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    You asked:

    “If the combo of Heb 1:5 and Sam 7:14 doesn’t equate the persons of Jesus and Solomon, why must the combo of Matt 27:9 and Zech 11:13 equate the persons of Jesus and Yahweh?”

    That’s like asking if apples are red, why must cherries be?

    There are many connections that suggest that Yahweh is not just the father. Matt 27:9 and Zech…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    Btw, I would guess that people who have given the position of god to food and material things don’t really think they need saving.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike

    Are you saying that the story about Judas receiving 30 pieces of silver in exchange for the whereabouts of Jesus is not a fulfillment of prophecy recorded in the OT?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    You said:

    But let’s try it with your definition and see if it works…

    Philippians 3:19… Their end is destruction, their god  “idea/position” is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly things.

    My paraphrase: Their end is destruction, the god position they have put their appetite for earthly things in is higher than…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike,

    You: Jesus didn’t go to heaven during the three days his body was in the tomb. 

    Me. AS USUAL YOU ARE RELYING ON   YOUR CORRUPTED WISDOM OF THE WORLD. WITH EVERY RESPECT! YOU ARE AGAIN PUTTING GOD IN THE SAME BASKET OF HUMANS!

    WHO SAID SO? 

    WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS TRIVIAL!

    JESUS  REMAINED IN HEAVEN DESPITE HE CAME ON EARTH, 

    HE IS ETER…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    You asked:

    is your Yahweh Unity ONE God (ie: one BEING) made up of multiple persons?  Or TWO Gods (ie: two BEINGS)?

    Neither.

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    LU: It seems to me that what is said in Heb 1:5 and 2 Sam 7:14 is demonstrating that both are installed as ‘kings’ not both as Solomon or both as Jesus.

    It says nothing about “king”, Kathi.  It has to do with “I will be his Father, and he will be my son”.  Both of them had God as their Father, and both of them were sons to God.  Would it be rati…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    LU:  Since I have proven your definition of god to be inaccurate, the rest of your post that is based on the inaccurate definition needs to be rewritten in order for it to be addressed.

    Guess again.  Read my post above.

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike: First of all, the word “god” in the Bible ALWAYS refers to a BEING who is thought to have powers over nature and the affairs of men…  Show me a scriptural example where this is not the case.

    LU: Philippians 3:19 Their end is destruction, their god is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly things.

    That prove…

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    Did you see that I never tied the prophecy of the 30 pieces of silver to the prophet Zechariah but to the passage in Zechariah? You corrected me for something I did not do.

    Furthermore, would you please restate the point or copy and paste it so I know what specifically you want me to address? Many things have been said. Maybe we should do…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    LU:  Do you disagree that the prophecy which Matthew is saying was fulfilled through Jesus being valued as 30 pieces of silver, is found in Zechariah?

    I’m pointing out that Matthew said Jeremiah, not Zechariah, so we have no way to know.  I’m also saying that the passage in Zechariah is not a prophecy at all, and so could not be fulfilled by a…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike and Danny,

    Regarding this:

    “If the combo of Heb 1:5 and Sam 7:14 doesn’t equate the persons of Jesus and Solomon, why must the combo of Matt 27:9 and Zech 11:13 equate the persons of Jesus and Yahweh?”

    It seems to me that what is said in Heb 1:5 and 2 Sam 7:14 is demonstrating that both are installed as ‘kings’ not both as Solomon or both…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    You said:

    Accepting for argument’s sake that a “god” is a BEING with powers over nature and man (the actual dictionary and scriptural definition), is your Yahweh Unity ONE God (ie: one BEING) made up of multiple persons?  Or TWO Gods (ie: two BEINGS)?

    Since I have proven your definition of god to be inaccurate, the rest of your post that i…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Hi Danny,

    You said:

    Yahweh is the Father of Jesus Christ. (Psalm 2:2; Acts 4:26)
    Jesus Christ therefore CANNOT be Yahweh.

    My answer:

    Yahweh is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. (Deut  10:17) Jesus is the Lord of lords and for us there is one Lord who is not the Father but is the Son, therefore, Jesus is Yahweh the Lord of lords.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Danny.

    You said:

    Yahweh is the Father of Jesus Christ. (Psalm 2:2; Acts 4:26)
    Jesus Christ therefore CANNOT be Yahweh.

    Danny, who is the Lord of lords here in the OT:

    Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.

    Danny, who…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    You claimed:

    First of all, the word “god” in the Bible ALWAYS refers to a BEING who is thought to have powers over nature and the affairs of men.

    Then asked:

    Show me a scriptural example where this is not the case.

    Philippians 3:19 Their end is destruction, their god is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly thi…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Mike,

    You said;

    Actually, it’s tied to Jeremiah in the NT – not Zechariah.

    What actually are you correcting me on? Reread what I said:

    LU: The passage in Zechariah is tied to Jesus as the one who is valued as 30 pieces of silver which ends up buying the Potter’s Field by the writers of the NT, not me. And the one who is valued at 30 pieces of sil…

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    Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years ago

    Hi Danny,

    I will address one thing at a time. You said:

    Yahweh is in view in Zech 11:13.
    Jesus is in view in Matt 27:9.
    But that doesn’t equate the persons of Yahweh and Jesus.

    Danny, In Psalm 102, who is credited with the action written about in the part of the passage posted here?

    Psalm 102

    25“In time of old You founded the earth,

    And the…[Read more]

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