Hi Mike

They are not only two distinct persons, as you pointed out.  They are also two distinct gods. 

Me

Show me the apostles of Christ speaking this way, please.

Hey Proclaimer and all.  I just stumbled across this while fighting this same fight on a different discussion forum…

Joshua 6:2-15… Then the Lord said to Joshua… March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days…  On the seventh day, march around the city seven times… 

Joshua got up early the next morning and th…[Read more]

Berean: They are ONE IN SPIRIT (MIND), IN HEARTH,

IN GOAL, BUT NOT IN PERSON(they are two divines distinct persons)

Hi Berean.  Two points…

1.  Luke 22:42… “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

This verse makes is clear that Jesus has his own will that is different from the will of his Fa…[Read more]

LU:  Berean…

Now, please confirm that you believe the Father is called Yahweh and His own Son is called Yahweh and both are involved in bringing about creation and they are one in unity…correct?

Kathi, now please confirm that the God you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven and earth has a Son named Jesus.

Also please confirm that the Go…[Read more]

LU:  The God of this age is Jesus. He has all authority in heaven and on earth, not satan.

You are wrong, but it doesn’t matter.  I just remembered why we even started talking about 1 Cor 4:4.  You asked for an example of Satan being called a god in scripture.  1 Cor 4:4 was one of the examples I gave you.

If you don’t understand that verse as…[Read more]

LU: You asked about John 10:33 and that it should be translated as “a god.” My answer is no, it is translated as “God” and not “a god” as it should be because of what it says in this verse:

John 5:18

For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God H…

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Mike: But you’ll have to concede that every single one of those things that “existed” before they passed through the birth canal DIDN’T exist before their pre-birth “existence”.

LU:  Did the Son exist before Mary conceived? 

Hmm…  Many will be resurrected from the dead to live again.  They will also have existed before being begotten by God.…[Read more]

Mike: Hi Berean…

Does the God you worship as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that in them is have a son and servant named Jesus Christ?  Yes or No?

Berean:  THE ANSWER IS YES .

Your turn, Kathi.  Same question.  What is your direct answer?  Yes or No, please.

Gene: Mike…….So in your logic of the earth being,  only the dry land,  then when God covered theearth with water , the earth disapeared right. “Nonsense” , the earth was still there but covered with water.

Does the Bible say the earth was “formless” and “naught” during the flood, like it says in Gen 1:2?

As usual, Gene, your argument is not wit…[Read more]

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>Hi Mike,</span>

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>YOU: You can also search and find posts where I argued that </span>

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>heaven was created after earth, </span>

ME: The reason that you argued as such only because you looked at the word “HEAVEN” from one perspective; simply physical!

You also…[Read more]

Mike…….So in your logic of the earth being onky the dry land,  then when God covered tgecearth with water , the earth disapeared right. “Nonsense” , the earth was still there but covered with water. Earth is earth , even if it is covered with water.

GEN 1:2…..in the Hebrew the wording shows,  the earth came to be , tohu and bohu,  not th…[Read more]

Hi LU

THE FATHER AND SON HAVE THE SAME FAMILY’S DIVINE NAME :YAHWEH

JESUS or Yeshua is the name OF the Son as man in the flesh.

They worked together in the work of creation and went on together for the work of re-creation (redemption) of mankind.

They are ONE IN SPIRIT (MIND), IN HEARTH,

IN GOAL, BUT NOT IN PERSON(they are two divines…[Read more]

Hi to all

Daily Devotional

OVERWHELMING FORGIVENESS 

A Gallup Poll once found that 94 percent of Americans would like to be forgiving. But 85 percent felt that they could not be forgiving by themselves; in order to forgive, they needed help from God or something outside themselves. Why do most people find it so hard to forgive? Maybe it has…[Read more]

Thanks for your reply, Proclaimer.

You said:

Or they say that he is God and as old as God.

150 AD Justin Martyr “The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God.” (Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch 63)
150 AD Justin Martyr “Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.” (Dialogue with Trypho, ch,…[Read more]

Berean,

Regarding my question to you here:

That “servant” you write of is called Yahweh at times and served with creating the universe, is that what you believe?

You said: My answer is a BIG YES!

Amen!

Now, please confirm that you believe the Father is called Yahweh and His own Son is called Yahweh and both are involved in bringing about cre…[Read more]

Danny: Hi Proclaimer and Mike,

I have a question for both of you:
Can “gravity” be proven?
If not then our earth can’t possibly be a globe!

It cannot be proven true, Danny.  In order to do so, we’d have to take two bodies of mass to a place where no other bodies of mass could act upon them, and see if they are drawn to each other.  We are unab…[Read more]

Proclaimer: And you notice huge discrepancies in the 24 hour day doctrine of Genesis.

I have no discrepancies… but I’m willing to hear you out.

Proclaimer: For example, you say the sun was created on day 3 or 4 or whatever…

No, it’s not “whatever”.  Nor is it me who is saying it.  It is God who taught us that He created the sun on Day 4.  It’s…[Read more]

Proclaimer: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Mike, it’s all very simple.</span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>You say a day is always 24 hours and Genesis is no exception.</span>

I’ve never said that.

Proclaimer: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>But when you see that there is day and night, then you see that day can mean around 12 hours which is not…

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Carmel:  ACCORDING TO YOU, MIKE!

GENESIS 1:1
IS AN INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT!

GENESIS 1:1
IS ALSO GOD’S FIRST ACT OF CREATION!

GENESIS 1:1
GOD DID NOT CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

You can also search and find posts where I argued that heaven was created after earth, because I used to understand Gen 1:2 as referring to an already formed ea…[Read more]

Genesis 1:5
Light=day
Darkness=Night
evening+morning=1 day
Do not confuse the word day which is evening + morning with the word day which expresses “light”
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.