Hi Mike,

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Don’t you believe that Jesus left his glory behind when he became flesh? 

THE WORD OF GOD,

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I…[Read more]

Jodi: Hi Mike,

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being#stm5752 (as was supposed/Nomizo/to think) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Jesus was the son of Joseph just as people thought he was.

I conceded the “according to the flesh” argument because in each case, it doesn’t unequivocally mean what I…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Jesus is the ONLY mortal man to have received the Spirit not by measure. That is HUGE! We are told that is WHEN he was SENT and HOW he was able to go and do God’s work, that is how he was able to be our savior.

The flesh profits us nothing. Meaning that there is nothing within man himself that can bring him to the kingdom of God. Jesus…[Read more]

Jodi:  You say Mike a spirit entity needed to come down to earth and be MADE INTO FLESH to be our savior.

No.  Rather I say what the Bible says… that Jesus was existing in one form, emptied himself and was made into a different form.  I don’t use the word “needed”, but only repeat what the Bible teaches.

Jodi:  Jesus however says that he cou…

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Pretender, first of all, I didn’t say those words above.  That was a copy/paste from Eric Dubay’s “200 Proofs”.

Which you are using as YOUR argument to convince berean. So take responsibility.

Secondly, there is nothing within Eric’s statement that says anything whatsoever about what “science says” about the reason for the seasons on earth.

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Jodi: Mike, do you agree that Jesus having been anointed with the Spirit at the river Jordan thus made him the anointed, our Christ? 

Hard to say.  Was Cyrus God’s prophesied anointed one from the moment he was born?  Or did he become that when he wrote his decree to rebuild Jerusalem?  What do you think?

Jodi: Jesus said, a man must be born of w…

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Jodi:  My problem Mike, is that it’s all about YHVH’s Spirit coming to dwell in a man and what that Spirit accomplished in that man once he was sent out into the world…

Yahweh’s Spirit came to dwell in MANY men all throughout the Bible.  That has nothing to do with whether or not Jesus preexisted his time on earth.  This part of your argume…[Read more]

Jodi:  Paul spoke of himself also concerning the flesh, he like Jesus was an Israelite according to the flesh, Jesus’s fathers were Israelites.

Fair enough…

Romans 9:6-7… For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children.

It’s clear that Paul is saying the Jews are his…[Read more]

@danny

Danny God called the raqia heaven and scripture is clear that God is in heaven. So you need to place God below the waters if you are sticking to your definition of raqia / dome. Please amend. If not,then you do not really believe this and you should be honest about that.

Mike,

You seemed to have missed my point that Jesus right afterwards in Matthew 24 said that these Pharisees were BLIND.

How convenient for you that you see them as blind to one thing but it’s not possible for them to be blind to another.

Concerning David calling Jesus lord,

No one but Jesus has been made a king of kings and the lord of…[Read more]

Jodi:  How Adam came to be a human, how Eve came to be a human and how Cain came to be a human all occurred in different ways. This is the same for Jesus…

Thank you.  That’s exactly what I’m saying.  All human.  All came to be human by different means, although Jesus and Eve are by very similar means.

Jodi:  I would also like for you to addr…

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Jodi:  Here is the thing Mike, Matthew tells us directly that Joseph is Jesus’s bio father. 

Matthew actually makes it abundantly clear that Joseph couldn’t possibly be Jesus’ bio father, since Mary became pregnant with Jesus before she had ever been with Joseph – and that Joseph, knowing about her condition, was even going to divorce her bec…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

NO, Adam was not made into a one of a kind being, he was made into a human being the first of his kind. Cain was not made into a one of a kind being, he was made into a human being.

How Adam came to be a human, how Eve came to be a human and how Cain came to be a human all occurred in different ways. This is the same for Jesus, he was…[Read more]

Jodi: We also know that David saw his own son in prophecy rise from the dead and be exalted to God’s right hand. David also knew that a future son of his would bring forth redemption and David’s own resurrection. We also know that Jesus is returning where he will sit on his father David’s throne where he will be a king of kings and a lord of lor…

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Hi Berean,

Ezekiel 26:20 When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living; 21 I will make thee a terror, and thou…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Let me first bring it back to this major point that is still not being addressed.

Matthew is not talking about an adoption, he is giving us the BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN and that of his GENEA/GENETIC LINE to establish that he is a bio son of Abraham and David. The book of Jesus’s GENTIC LINE, he who he is fathered by/of the same…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

No you are not correct.

Let me clarify for you, there is numerous ways that we see glory in Jesus.

As the anointed of the Spirit made into our Messiah.

As the only mortal man who was begotten of the Spirit of God without measure.

As our savior through the Spirit of God that was upon him.

As the firstborn of the dead who received…[Read more]

Jodi: Hi Mike,

We do have common ground with both agreeing that just because God is able to do something doesn’t mean that he did, but we still are not on common ground with your comparison, your comparison doesn’t work for me at all, they don’t fit.

Hi Jodi.  I’m not making any “comparison”.  I’m simply pointing out the FACT that if God can crea…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

It’s all about the Spirit of God,

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

John 6:63 It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are…[Read more]