carmel replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Hi Jodi,
You: God’s seed represents God’s Spirit.
Me: GOD’S SEED IS A SPIRIT! and THAT SPIRIT IS
“THE WORD” made Flesh, Jesus, the Son of Man.
God is a spirit, and all His attributes and tasks generally speaking are all
spirits!
Once God committed Himself to create, He created all that for us is the entire physical creation BY/IN/FOR in His…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
I’m betting the rebuttal to my post will be just to interpret each scripture I have quoted as meaning the opposite to what is written. It won’t be that blatant, but surrounded by lots of text where the detail is easily hidden.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Adam was called the Son of God.
But Adam was created by God.
Jesus was begotten by God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, rose again, and is seated next to God in the glory he had with him before the cosmos.
He is also the final Adam. So he too can rightly be called the Son of God in that sense. But because he is the firstborn of all…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
You reject the trinity doctrine; yet, hold onto the “preexistence” of Christ, why?
They are not mutually exclusive. This comes from Greek thinking where anything can either be creator or creation. But scripture teaches us that there is this thing called ‘begotten’ which is neither.
In fact, one of the reasons why the Trinity Doctrine is bel…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
I am not rejecting the aforementioned scriptures, I’m questioning our understanding of them. Do we understand them in the context and perspective of which they have been written or are we understanding them with our modernistic minds of what other people have told us these scriptures mean?
Sure and I already know that. But I believe some are r…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Hebrews 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
If YHVH is God of gods and Lord of lords, and there is one God and one Lord and they happen to be two persons, then the YHVH who is God, is one person WITH the YHVH who is Lord, another person.
Your trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist in scripture. Therefore, your theory is just as wrong because it proposes to be the fix.
Proclaimer replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
Agreed that wisdom is an attribute of God just as light, truth, and love are too.
However, I think that God creates life and endows them with attributes or different measures and mixes of it, which makes us unique. We know that truth is of God, but Jesus said that he was The Truth. We know that life comes from God, but Jesus said he was The Life.…[Read more]
Berean replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Heb. 2: 14; 3: 3).
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour t…[Read more]
Berean replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (John 17)
The veiled glory of Christ.
If Christ had come in divine form, mankind could not have endured the
seen. The contrast would have been too painful, the glory too overwhelming. humanity
could not bear the presence of…[Read more]Berean replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Hi Jodi and all
John3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.The manifestation of the Father.
What language is to thought, Christ is to the invisible Father. He is the manifestation
of the Father, and it is…[Read more]DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
As I am playing catch up and reading through the earlier comments, PLEASE read from the beginning of Proverbs 8 and continuing into chapter 9. Solomon is speaking of wisdom and wisdom alone. Wisdom is referred to as a “she”…think about it. Wisdom is what Solomon prayed for and God blessed him with it and everything earthly that comes with it.…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Hi Berean,
YOU: the Blood of Christ is the means by which we are cleansed/justified, sanctified, and ultimately glorified and this has been possible because Jesus is THE CREATIVE AND REDEMPTIVE WORD OF GOD FROM THE BEGINNING.
ME: I see that Gene has already spoke to this as well.
The blood of Christ is the means by which we are…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Good Morning Berean,
Let’s start with this,
You provided, Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.”
This is direct prophecy
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow…[Read more]
Berean replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Gène
You don’t understand what I wrote.
As a man, Jesus was completely dependent on His Father for all things and even for the use of his own divine power which he retained (he was still God) with which he performed his miracles.
His greatest temptation was surely to resist using his own Divinity to come to his rescue.
THIS CAN BE SEEN WHEN HE W…[Read more]DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
@ Proclaimer,
reply to #942714I am not rejecting the aforementioned scriptures, I’m questioning our understanding of them. Do we understand them in the context and perspective of which they have been written or are we understanding them with our modernistic minds of what other people have told us these scriptures mean?
You reject the trinity d…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
Proclaimer. …..Wrong, I certainly do know people and things are called by their “ATRIBUTES” A airplane is call a bird, because it flies like a bird, but is it an actual bird? Of course not, there in lies the problem, being call something because of a similar a tribute does not make you that thing, I fully understand that, and that appl…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The Only Begotten Son in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 2 months ago
Berean, you said, “You’re going to tell me, but this power comes from the father.This is true in a, “certain” sense”.
No, this is true in a “APSOLUTE” SENSE, Jesus himself said, (not me) …….“the Son of Man can do “NOTHING” of himself”. what does the word “NOTHING”, mean to you? AND how does that fit in with your, Jesus is the cr…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
In the BIGINNING, the Son who was with God and who was God, of the same nature as the Father, therefore has a nature that is beginningless, but had a beginning when he was begotten of the Father in the days of eternity.
Therefore a divine nature, eternal essence, without beginning inherited from the Father but a person, personality which had a…Proclaimer replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 2 months ago
Gene, I think you have never grasped that people are named after attributes.
Sons of Thunder.
Light Bearer,
The Word of God.
The Truth.
Etc.
Berean replied to the topic Battle of the Bibles in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 3 years, 2 months ago
Hi to all
Continuation
The War Against
The King James Bible“The English (as well as the Greek) of the new
“revised version” is hopelessly wrong….”
“It is, however, the systematic depravity of the underlying Greek
which offends me so seriously, because it is nothing but poisoning
from the River of Life to its sacred source” Dean Burgon, “The…[Read more]- Load More

