Two truths in those diagrams.

1. FAIL 1; Light would never have that effect on a flat earth where it curves away like that. It would be evenly circular around the light source itself.
2. FAIL 2: If it requires a god to create the flat earth, then it would require an eternal God the most High to create the universe that we observe.

Let me ask you a…[Read more]

Gene

The Spirit of Truth does not ignore the Word of God.
The two work together.
For the Sword of the Spirit (of Truth) is the Word of God.

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Hi to all

Here is the Daily Devotional

JONAH ANGER MANAGEMENT, PART 2

As the largest fish in the world, the whale shark is in the Guinness World Records at 41 feet, 6 inches long and weighing 47,000 pounds. But while its esophagus would not allow it to swallow a man whole, presumably that of the sperm whale could (and seafarers have attested…[Read more]

BEREAN,   you said……….”That’s one of the problems, you’re using “corrupt” versions of the Bible, and yes, unless you seriously investigate this, you run the risk of getting deeper and deeper into error. I gave you the link of the book “the battle of the Bibles”, I strongly advise you to read it.”

AND I say , get the “SPIRIT OF TRUTH”  , and [Read more]

Zero Common Sense

@desiretruth

That’s one of the problems, you’re using “corrupt” versions of the Bible, and yes, unless you seriously investigate this, you run the risk of getting deeper and deeper into error. I gave you the link of the book “the battle of the Bibles”, I strongly advise you to read…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Are you really being this stubborn? When you ask someone their name, are you asking in the present or future tense? Agur is asking if either of them know of someone who can do all he is asking and to tell him their name.

Here’s a little food for thought. Why is Agur also asking for this man’s childrens name. I may be reading into this…[Read more]

@desiretruth

You

Beginning in verse 1 we find a man Agur is speaking to two others (Ithiel and Ucal) and claiming to the most ignorant man. Then he proceeds to ask a series of questions in verse 4:

me

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath…[Read more]

Berean,

YOU: Proverbs 30:4 IS saying THAT God hath a Son BEFORE THIS ONE IS MADE FLESH.

ME: It says no such thing it’s speaking of prophecy that aligns perfectly with 1 Chronicles 17 and other passages. 

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment?…[Read more]

@ Berean,

So the truth is you can’t reconcile Deut 18 to a preexistent Christ; so are now choosing to ignore it.

Prov 30:4, did your read the chapter? I don’t understand why Jesus has to be injected into everything read in the old testament? Are you sure you’re an Adventist, starting to sound like a Southern Baptist!

Beginning in verse 1 we fin…[Read more]

Hi Jodi

Proverbs 30:4 IS saying THAT God hath a Son BEFORE THIS ONE IS MADE FLESH.

ALL THE TEXTS YOU QUOTE, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST. BUT YOU USE THEM TO CANCEL THE TRUTH.
YOU MUST NOT USE THE BIBLE TO MAKE THE BIBLE LIE.

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Good Morning Berean,

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

Why are we back on Micah? Didn’t I explain it well enough the first time or have you rejected it? 

Me

Micah tells us that the origin of the Messiah dates back to OUTSIDE ETERNITY.
OF COURSE IT IS THE UNCORRUPTED BIBLES THAT SAY THIS.

Proverbs 30:4 tells us among other things that God has a Son, AND IT IS BEFORE THIS LATTER BE…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Explain what you believe is happening in Proverbs 30:4; what does it mean?

To say I am stuck on the Deut. passage tells me you haven’t any idea how to justify your belief to the passage. The language is simple and nothing is hidden in it, so it can be read and understood for what it literally says.

Why are we back on Micah? Didn’t I e…[Read more]

@Gene

“Please show us where Jesus ever said he preexisted as a living being before he was born on this earth?”

Me

Proverbs 30:4

👉Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? 👉what is his name,👉 and what is…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….Jesus is both,  firstborn, from the dead and firstborn into the kingdom of God,  how is that hard for you to understand?  Did JESUS not say,  (not me). “You must be born again”?  Even so he had to be born again also.

Why are you always trying to make Jesus appear different then we are?  Jesus is the “first of many brethren to…[Read more]

You( desir Truth)

Phil 2 does NOT mention anything about “preexistence”, it says Christ “existed” in the form of God; try again.

me

To live in the form of God, one must be God. And the Son of God (Proverbs 30:4/John 1:1) was God and WAS WITH the GOD in the BIGINNING before the World  WAS (John 17:5)

you:
John 1:14 flesh is what the word bec…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

The Jews believed it was going to be just a man, not a god-man, not incarnated God, or any other man made idea to explain the Messiah.

Me

The Jews were also supposed
know Proverbs 30:4 and not get stuck on Deuteronomy 18.

And how is it that the Jews crucified the Messiah announced by the prophets, one of whom tells us that his…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You end your post with “No answer?” Was I suppose to answer this before you posted it!?!? Or is there a misunderstanding in what you wrote; a transnational issue between languages?

What did you explain concerning the Deut 18 verses? Absolutely nothing! You revert back to what you have been educated in and say here’s your proof, just…[Read more]