Lightenup/Keith Discussion

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  • #948120
    Lightenup
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    @Keith

    You said this

    “So The true God=Jehovah gave Jesus(Word) authority. If Jesus were God he would already have had the authority.”

    If within the unity of Jehovah there is one God and one Lord who are a father and son, then one can expect that the son would be perfectly under the authority of the father if it were a perfect father/son relationship. If the father gives his son authority over all things in heaven and on earth after the son accomplishes his father’s will, it shows that the son is trusted by his father to be able to handle that level of authority.

    The Son is perfect and always under the authority of his perfect Father or the Son would not be perfect. The Son can do everything he sees his Father doing. The Father provides the vision, the Son carries out the vision.

    The unity of Jehovah is the perfect Father with the perfect Son, not the Father apart from the perfect Son.

    Apart from the Son, the Father did not create anything.

    Apart from the Father, the Son did not create anything.

    But they did create and they created together. Both receive the same honor of being the creator, Jehovah.

    Also, Jesus is the God of this Messianic age in 2 Cor 4:4, not satan.

    #948125
    Keith
    Participant

    Lightenup–The Father created his only begotten son-The Hebrew word-possessed at Prov 8:22 means created in Hebrew. = The firstborn of all creation-false religions twist these facts because it exposes them as false. Only a HE created, not a we.( Gen 1:27-Prov 8:27-28)-Gods master worker(Jesus) is the builder not the creator.

    #948127
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @Keith

    James 1:5 tells us that if we lack wisdom, we should ask God. With that in mind, would you be willing to sincerely ask God the Father whether His Son, Jesus, ever began to exist, or whether the Son has always existed in some manner? I am not asking you to accept my view—only to ask the Father directly and be open to whatever He shows you.

     

    #948151
    Lightenup
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    Hi Keith,

    I moved your post to here for continuity purposes. You said:

    “satan does not have the article, it happens The is the first word of the paragraph.”

    I assume you are referring to 2 Cor 4:4. I’m not sure what you are saying there? Are you aware that there is the article with the first theos in that verse or are you not aware?

    2Cor 4:4 In whom the God of this world blinded the minds of the unbelieving, so that the enlightening of the good news of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, does not enlighten them.

    I have come to believe that the God of this age is Jesus since this age referred to, is the Messianic Age, and Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth. Here is a book on the matter if you are interested in challenging your view that Satan is the god of this age.

    Who is “the God of this Age”? Paul and the Sovereignty of God in 2 Corinthians 4:4

    Ivor Poobalan

    The author’s conclusion: “In conclusion, then, I submit that the most likely meaning that may be assigned to Paul’s expression ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου is that by it he was referring to the God of Paul’s Judeo-Christian heritage, and not to the devil. This conclusion is to be preferred because it is exegetically sound, traditionally attested, theologically uncomplicated, and missiologically significant.”

     

    #948152
    Keith
    Participant

    Lightenup–The article = THE–its the first word of the paragraph at 2 Cor 4:4–it is NOT calling satan-The God as it does to the true God at John 1:1 and 2nd Cor 4:4.

    All know it is satan spoken of at 2 Cor 4:4

    #948155
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @Keith

    You wrote:

    All know it is satan spoken of at 2 Cor 4:4

    The fact that you just wrote that should show the general reader that you are not concerned with being truthful. I just showed you a book that says

    #948156
    Keith
    Participant

    A book of lies you posted-Every scholar on Earth knows 100% it is satan at 2 Cor 4:4-thus-god, not God.

    #948157
    LU
    Participant

    @Keith

    The general reader sees that you judged a book by your bias, not because you read it.  The book is a scholarly book.

    There is a YouTube channel you can also learn some things from here (I’m not saying that I agree with it completely but it is a channel that would benefit you, imo):

    https://youtu.be/61MrudwPEOo?is=m69mQKwpZ8ChrIO9

    #948158
    LU
    Participant

    Deleted for double posting

    #948174
    Keith
    Participant

    The book is teaching a lie, how scholarly is that?

    #948176
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @Keith

    Show us specifically what the author wrote within the book that is a lie and then show us why it is a lie.

    #948177
    Keith
    Participant

    Lightenup–Your own words said it teaches The god of this system of things at 2 Cor 4:4 is Jesus, when in reality it is satan. He is ruling this system, it is sick, corrupt, and twisted.

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