@desiretruth

Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior?

@Berean,

I would love to hear an explanation from you concerning Col 1:16,17…but I won’t hold my breath.

How about a response to the law being written on the Gentile heart and not going to hell. Is that what you understand and believe because it’s scripturally sound or you believe it because this is what you were told? Your statement doesn’t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Isa 53 being about Jesus is completely false! So using this chapter as your “proof” produces a big, fat zero and is thrown out as evidence to your claim. You have ignored the preceding chapters and are cherry picking a couple verses from 53 to “prove” you found Jesus in the old testament because it sounds like Jesus in the new and…[Read more]

Gene

“the only thing they do is force texts to say what in fact it does not, by adding their own thoughts to the actual writings.”

Colossians 1 KJB

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by…

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To all…….There is no proof of a “preexisting ” Jesus in any of our Old Testament scriptures at all, no one can produce a single scripture showing “ANY” activity of him being alive before his birth on this earth at all> the only thing they do is force texts to say what in fact it does not, by adding their own thoughts to the actual writings.  Jesu…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Who here is denying Isaiah 53,  was not speaking about Jesus in prophesy.?
but tell us what is met in verse 8,  …..who in “HIS GENERATION” protested.

That term “in his generation”. Should tell you his generation was not at the time of that prophesy, “why” ?, because he did not then exist as a live being. The whole thing is a [Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,
You:A carnal man will ignore that which is obvious to a spiritual man.
AMEN!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Now find the preexisting Jesus in the old testament…GO!

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
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Proclaimer…….Jesus was simply telling he was more “important” them Abraham to them,

Not so. Read these words slowly. You can see the Pharisees clearly understood him to mean that he was older than Abraham and Jesus didn’t deny it. He affirmed it by saying “Before Abraham, I am”. Your teaching is “before Abraham, I wasn’t”. Once again, a complet…[Read more]

@Berean,

YOU: It is God’s purpose, to write his law in hearts. And so Gentiles with the law of God written in their hearts will not go to hell.

ME: If the law is written on our hearts and we will be judge accordingly, our salvation (either children of God or condemned) is hinged on how we uphold the law?!? If that’s the case, there is no point i…[Read more]

@dedire Truth

Your last remodeled question was in your penultimate post the following:

For brevity sake let me help you along;👉 is it safe to say, with Jesus you go to heaven and without Jesus you go to hell?👈

I answered NO

AND I GAVE BIBLICAL REASONS.
IN Romans IN PARTICULAR.

HAVE YOU READ THE VERSES?

1) All who have sinned without the law…[Read more]

@Berean,
You respond with NO! If we don’t need Jesus, what is the point of christianity?
Explain John 3:16; sounds to me with Jesus – heaven (eternal life), without – hell (perish).
Are you intentionally being obstinate? There is a point to my question, just answer it!

Gene

Jesus never spoke the language of wood…
When he says, “Before Abraham was, I am.”

IT MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS: JESUS AS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD WAS BEFORE ABRAHAM….

AND EVEN IN JOHN 17….

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

YAHSHUA said unto them,…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

NO

Read

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God
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul…[Read more]

Berean……..I think Desire Truth, is not trying to dismiss Jesus as a messiah, but simply trying to get you to see him in a right way.  The way the Old Testament Jew’s viewed him.  They saw Jesus as a descendent of king David, not as a “preexisting” being  who was “morphed” into a human being from some kind of past life as you view him.

I also see…[Read more]

Hi to all

Here is the Daily Devotional

DOES EZEKIEL TEACH THAT WE SHOULD BAPTIZE BY SPRINKLING?

There is a popular belief that these verses prefigure the introduction of sprinkling for baptism. But do references to sprinkling in the Old Testament have a connection with the ordinance of baptism in the New Testament? A few facts reveal that it…[Read more]

@Berean,

For brevity sake let me help you along; is it safe to say, with Jesus you go to heaven and without Jesus you go to hell?

Do you think you are doing BETTER than modern Christianity by dismissing the real MESSIAH?

Salvation and how you get it isn’t the question, the question is “what is modern christianity truly based on?”

Don’t make this complicated, think basic like a child – “with this, you receive this; without this, you receive this.”

Explain your means of salvation to you, you haven’t said anything yet.