@Proclaimer,

If only verse 1 was talking about the unbelief of Israel, and being prefaced by “could be” tell me you’re not really sure yourself and are guessing. When was the last time you picked up a book, read a random paragraph from it, and where able to discuss what the book was about? My guess never, so why would you do that with God’s W…[Read more]

Who is this “our” in verse 5? You, me, mankind? EXCEPT verse 5 is the continued thought from verse 1 and “Who has believed our message”? This “our” is whom? Did you, me, or mankind bring some message and to whom did we give it? What was this message? What a perplexing mystery!

Let’s start in verse Isaiah verse 4.

Surely he hath borne our griefs,…[Read more]

PROCLAIMER: “Jesus is not mentioned by name in the Old Testament.”

DESIRETRUTH: THANK YOU!! Yet somehow he will be found in its writings by modern day “scholars.” And you don’t question this?!?!?

Thanks for what exactly? No one on planet earth believes that the name of Jesus is in the Old Testament. Jesus was not revealed to the world in the ti…[Read more]

Understanding God is crucial. Knowing God and His Messiah, Jesus, leads to eternal life. Here are five scriptural justifications for refusing to accept the doctrine of the Trinity.

Hi Gene,

You: Carmel……Jesus saying we must eat his flesh and drink his blood, is a “METAPHOR”  for the words simply meaning we must take his life to ourselves,
and become exactly like him
Me: First and foremost!

JESUS WAS MORE THAN CERTAIN THAT HUMANS NEVER BE IN A POSITION TO BECOME LIKE HIM!

THE FACT THAT HE EMPTIED HIMSELF AND BECAME I…[Read more]

@Danny,

Tell me why you became a “christian”? What was said that “opened” your eyes? Was it the possibility of not going to heaven?

@Proclaimer,

YOU: “Jesus is not mentioned by name in the Old Testament.”

ME: THANK YOU!! Yet somehow he will be found in its writings by modern day “scholars.” And you don’t question this?!?!?

The “word that was with God in the beginning”; BUT what does “word/logos” mean? For you, by the use of circular reasoning, means Jesus. What it really me…[Read more]

The vast knowledge of the flat earth:
Earths shape: Flat
Diameter: Unknown
Area: Unknown
Distance around the equator and the distance from the equator to the N Pole: Unknown
Dome composition: Unknown
Dome altitude: Unknown
Polaris photos frome the southern hemisphere: None
Suns composition or energy source: Unknown
Suns shape: Unknown
Distance to…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Who here is denying Isaiah 53,  was not speaking about Jesus in prophesy.?

Answer: Desiretruth is.

There is no proof of a “preexisting ” Jesus in any of our Old Testament scriptures at all, no one can produce a single scripture showing “ANY” activity of him being alive before his birth on this earth at all

Jesus is not mentioned by…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

Don’t worry, I’ll answer you as soon as I have the time .

@desiretruth

Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior?

@Berean,

I would love to hear an explanation from you concerning Col 1:16,17…but I won’t hold my breath.

How about a response to the law being written on the Gentile heart and not going to hell. Is that what you understand and believe because it’s scripturally sound or you believe it because this is what you were told? Your statement doesn’t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Isa 53 being about Jesus is completely false! So using this chapter as your “proof” produces a big, fat zero and is thrown out as evidence to your claim. You have ignored the preceding chapters and are cherry picking a couple verses from 53 to “prove” you found Jesus in the old testament because it sounds like Jesus in the new and…[Read more]

Gene

“the only thing they do is force texts to say what in fact it does not, by adding their own thoughts to the actual writings.”

Colossians 1 KJB

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by…

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To all…….There is no proof of a “preexisting ” Jesus in any of our Old Testament scriptures at all, no one can produce a single scripture showing “ANY” activity of him being alive before his birth on this earth at all> the only thing they do is force texts to say what in fact it does not, by adding their own thoughts to the actual writings.  Jesu…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Who here is denying Isaiah 53,  was not speaking about Jesus in prophesy.?
but tell us what is met in verse 8,  …..who in “HIS GENERATION” protested.

That term “in his generation”. Should tell you his generation was not at the time of that prophesy, “why” ?, because he did not then exist as a live being. The whole thing is a [Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,
You:A carnal man will ignore that which is obvious to a spiritual man.
AMEN!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Now find the preexisting Jesus in the old testament…GO!

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….Jesus was simply telling he was more “important” them Abraham to them,

Not so. Read these words slowly. You can see the Pharisees clearly understood him to mean that he was older than Abraham and Jesus didn’t deny it. He affirmed it by saying “Before Abraham, I am”. Your teaching is “before Abraham, I wasn’t”. Once again, a complet…[Read more]