John 1:1

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

a) In the beginning was the Word, (en arch hn o logoV)
b) and the Word was with God, (kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon)
c) and the Word was God. (kai qeoV hn o logoV).

John 1:1b says that the Word was with God and John 1:1c says that the Word was God, so how can the Word be God and be with God at the same time? Well part of the answer to discovering the meaning of this verse is found in 1 John 1:1-2

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life and the life was manifested, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was made manifest to us”.

First when we read 1John 1:2, it suggests to us that the God in John1:1b is the Father himself.

Secondly, we see In John 1:1c, the last word God is missing the definite article, (THE). The definite article is before all other instances of the word ‘God’ and ‘Logos’ in John 1:1. (e.g., the Word, The God.), yet is absent in the last mention of God. Read on because this can be significant as you are about to find out.

Greek sentence construction affirms that if a noun doesn’t have a preceding article, (THE) it can be read as an adjective (a predicate adjective); and if such a noun does have a preceding article it should be considered a noun (a predicate nominative). Understanding this is a game changer. Scholars see the benefit of the rule for affirming the deity of Christ in John 1:1, but haven’t made the difference clear regarding the difference between identity and nature or definite and qualitative. Don’t worry if this makes no sense to you. It will.

Look at the difference between these two sentences.

1) You are an angel
2) You are THE angel.

Notice how the first one is using the word angel in a qualitative way while the second is definite. Hence the term ‘definite article’.

In John 1:1, all instances of the word ‘God” are preceded by the definite article ‘THE’, except the last one.

So it literally says:

John1:1
a) In the beginning was THE God.
b) THE Word was with THE God
c) And THE Word was god.

Why is the last word not capitalised? Where Greek uses the definite article in English we capitalise the word. e.g., the god = God.

So it is grammatically correct to read John 1:1c with a qualitative sense rather reading it as identifying the Word as God himself. It is not only grammatically correct to read it this way, it is also theologically correct because if we read it as THE Theos, then that would be saying that the Logos is exclusively God even to the exclusion of the Father. Now we have two good reasons for reading the last word ‘god/theos’ as qualitative and not as THE God or God.

In rebuttal to this, some say that God in the New Testament doesn’t always have a preceding definite article which is true, however looking at the verse contextually, we understand that there is clearly two being spoken of, i.e., one God and one called the Word with is clearly another who is next to God and is not that God he is with.

Let’s look at Adam and Eve as an example of two beings that were with each other. Before I give an example, it is important for you at this point to understand that the Hebrew word for ‘man’ is ‘adam’. This means that qualitatively, Adam and Eve are both adam. This is similar to the word theos which is translated as the ‘God’ & god. The absence of the definite article can qualify just as the word adam qualifies. As I said before, in English we use capitals to denote when being definite. So the difference between ‘Adam’ and ‘adam’ is that Adam refers to a specific man called Adam while the latter could refer to him as well as Eve and any other member of mankind. This is clearly stated in scripture in Genesis 1:27:

So God created man (adam) in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

The word for man is adam, so it says: God created ‘adam’ male and female. So saying that ‘Eve is adam’ is a true saying.

In English, If I said “John is the man”, then I am identifying John as  a definite and particular person of the human race. But if I omit the definite article and say “John is man,” then I do not identify him, I classify him. I say “John is human; he belongs to the sphere/nature of man.” Can you see the difference now?

To understand how the article can make a big difference to a piece of text, look at this example. Have a guess as to which one is correct.

a) In the beginning was THE woman
b) and THE woman was with THE man
c) and THE Woman was THE man

a) In the beginning was THE woman
b) and THE woman was with THE man
c) and THE Woman was man

The correct one is the second example because it is saying that the woman belongs to mankind or man. Look at the next example:

a) Tools were used by man.
b) Tools were used by the man.

See how the first example is talking about mankind whereas the second example is talking of a specific man.

In other words the word ‘man’ can be used as an attribute or to describe one’s nature. It is not always used to identify a particular person and it can even refer to more than one person.

Now let’s have a look at the above example, but using Adam and Eve instead. Notice in English that we do not have the definite article preceding Adam or Eve, because capitalising both Adam and Eve leads us to view these words in a definite sense, the same way that Greek requires the definite article. Essentially THE adam/man in Greek is the same as Adam in English.

a) In the beginning was Eve,
b) and Eve was with Adam
c) and Eve was Adam

a) In the beginning was Eve,
b) and Eve was with Adam
c) and Eve was adam

Notice that the second example is still the correct one.

To further understand the important difference between identity and nature, take a look at John 6:70. When speaking of his betrayer Judas Iscariot, Jesus said, “One of you is a devil.” Did Jesus mean that Judas is actually Satan the Devil? No! He merely meant to say that Judas is like (class) a devil, or that he had the qualities or nature of a/the devil. The word “devil” here has no article in the Greek as you have probably guessed, but most translators deem it necessary to add the indefinite article “a” to complete the thought in English even though it is not present in Greek or any Greek. Greek has no indefinite articles, (a,an).

So Judas wasn’t Satan himself, rather he was diabolical, like the Devil. He had the qualities of the Devil. But that doesn’t rule out the fact that Satan is the Devil because it is not actually saying that Judas was the Devil himself. Rather Judas thought as the Devil; and acted as the Devil. He was not the Devil (definite), (Satan is); he was not an actual devil or demon, he was a devil (qualitative). He was one who had the mental disposition, the nature, of the Devil, who is Satan. So it is with John 1:1c.

The Logos was God has no definite article. It is really saying, The Logos was god. This is why the New English Bible and the Revised English Bible translate John 1:1 as “what God was, the Word was.” The TEV (1976) translates it, “the Word was the same as God.” Goodspeed translates this, “the Word was divine.” And Moffatt translates this, “the logos was divine.”

So what kind of being is Jesus then if the Word was theos (without the definite article)? The answer according to John 1:1 is that he must be a divine being if Jesus is the Word of God that was with God. In other words he is a being with God’s nature. A son possessing the nature of his Father. Not just an image, but THE image of God. He is the prototype, the firstborn. He is the mystery that was hidden but has been revealed in our time. He is all these things, but he is not THE God that he is the son of. That God is exclusively the Father and there are many scriptures to prove that which we will look at later in this page.

Many think that the word ‘theos’ and ‘elohim’ always refer to YHWH. They take instances of their choosing to try and prove that Christ is YHWH. In their ignorance they cannot see that there are indeed many god (theos) and many lords, but for true believers there is one God (theos) the Father.

In fact, the word ‘theos’ and ‘elohim’ in scripture are used in reference to God (YHWH), Christ, Man, angels, Satan and idols. So when we see the word ‘theos’ or ‘elohim’, we should ask ourselves what kind of god is being referenced. The god of this age? The Most High God? The Almighty God? The mighty god? A false god? A human? An angel? We must also understand that the word ‘theos’ proceeded by the article (the) is talking of a noun and without the article, it can be an adjective or used to describe or qualify.

Let us now look at some quotes from scholars and writers that understand this. NOTE: this is not an endorsement with all that these authors have written, rather I am appealing to their view regarding John 1:1.

One prominent scholar called Origen is sometimes quoted by Trinitarians who appeal to his wisdom for other purposes. However, they avoid this particular quotation for obvious reasons. Origen wrote in the early 200’s A.D and was a noted expert in Koine Greek.

“We next notice John’s use of the article [“the”] in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of the Greek tongue. In some cases he uses the article, and in some he omits it. He adds the article to the Word, but to the name of theos he adds it sometimes only. He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos. Does the same difference which we observe between theos with the article and theos without it prevail also between the Word with it and without it? We must enquire into this. As the theos who is over all is theos with the article not without it, so the Word is the source of that reason (Logos) which dwells in every reasonable creature; the reason which is in each creature is not, like the former called par excellence the Word. Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two theos [gods] and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked. Either they deny that the Son has a distinct nature of His own besides that of the Father, and make Him whom they call the Son to be theos all but the name, or they deny divinity of the Son, giving Him a separate existence of His own, and making His sphere of essence fall outside that of the Father, so that they are separable from each other. To such persons we have to say that “the theos” on the one hand is Autotheos [God of himself] and so the Saviour says in His prayer to the Father, “That they may know Thee the only true theos [God]; “but that all beyond the theos [God] is made theos by participation in His deity, and is not to be called simply “theos” but rather “the theos “. And thus the first-born of all creation, who is the first to be with the theos , and to attract to Himself deity, is a being of more exalted rank than the other theos [gods] beside Him, of which theos is the theos [God], as it is written, “The theos [God] of theos [gods], the Lord, hath spoken and called the earth.” It was by the offices of the first-born that they became theos [gods], for He drew from the theos [God] in generous measure that they should be made theos [gods], and He communicated it to them according to His own bounty. The true theos [God], then, is “the theos ,” [“the God” as opposed to “god”] and those who are formed after Him are theos [such as the Son of God], images, as it were, of Him the prototype. But the archetypal image, again, of all these images is the word of the theos [God], who was in the beginning, and who by being with the theos [God] is at all times deity, not possessing that of Himself, but by His being with the Father, and not continuing to be theos , if we should think of this, except by remaining always in uninterrupted contemplation of the depths of the Father.”
(Origen’s Commentary on the Gospel of John, Book II, 2)

“Irenaeus [in the second century] could still interpret MK. Xiii, 32 in the following manner: the Son confessed not to know that which only the Father knew; hence ‘ we learn from himself that the Father is over all’, as he who is greater also than the Son. But the Nicene theologians had now suddenly to deny that Jesus could have said such a thing about the Son. In the long-recognized scriptural testimony for the Logos-doctrine provided by Prov. Viii, 22 ff. The exegetes of the second and third centuries had found the creation of the preexistent Logos-Christ set forth without dispute and equivocation. But now, when the Arians also interpreted the passage in this way, the interpretation was suddenly reckoned as false…. A theologian such as Tertullian by virtue of his Subordinationist manner of thinking, could confidently on occasion maintain that, before all creation, God the Father had been originally ‘alone’, and thus there was a time when ‘the Son was not’. When he did so, within the Church of his day such a statement did not inevitably provoke a controversy, and indeed there was none about it. But now, when Arius said the same thing in almost the same words, he raised thereby in the Church a mighty uproar, and such a view was condemned as heresy in the anathemas of Nicaea.” e.a.]
-pp. 155-8. The Formation of Christian Dogma, by Martin Werner, D.D.

When the writers of the New Testament speak of God they mean the God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. When they speak of Jesus Christ, they do not speak of him, nor think of him as God. He is God’s Christ, God’s Son, God’s Wisdom, God’s Word. Even the prologue to St. John {John 1:1-18} which comes nearest to the Nicene Doctrine, must be read in the light of the pronounced subordinationism of the Gospel as a whole; and the Prologue is less explicit in Greek with the anarthrous theos [the word “god” at John 1:1c without the article] than it appears in English… The adoring exclamation of St. Thomas “my Lord and my god” (Joh. xx. 28) is still not quite the same as an address to Christ as being without qualification [limitation] God, and it must be balanced by the words of the risen Christ himself to Mary Magdalene (verse. 17) “Go unto my brethren and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.” Jesus Christ is frequently spoken of in the Ignation Epistles as “our God”, “my God”, but probably never as “God” without qualification.
– John Martin Creed in The Divinity of Jesus Christ.

The word for “god” in Greek is QEOS. In John 1:1 the last occurrence of QEOS is called “a predicate noun” or, “a predicate nominative”. Such a noun tells us something about the subject, instead of telling what the subject is doing. This use of QEOS has reference to the subject, the Word, and does not have the article preceding it; it is anarthrous. This indicates that it is not definite. That is to say, it does not tell what position or office or rank the subject (the Word) occupies. The verb HN “was” follows the predicate noun QEOS; this is another factor in identifying QEOS here as qualitative. This discloses the quality or character of the Word. Of course, the gentleman up above disagrees with me, and he has used Moulton and Colwell to buttress his argument. But what have other Grammarians said about this same type of construction? There is no basis for regarding the predicate theos as definite. In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate [noun] is so prominent that the noun cannot be regarded as definite.
-Philip Harner, Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 92:1, 1973, pp. 85, 7.

We must, then take Theos, without the article, in the indefinite [“qualitative” would have been a better word choice] sense of a divine nature or a divine being, as distinguished from the definite absolute God [the Father], ho Theos, the authotheos [selfgod] of Origen. Thus the Theos of John [1:1c] answers to “the image of God” of Paul, Col. 1:15.
-G. Lucke, “Dissertation on the Logos”, quoted by John Wilson in, Unitarian Principles Confirmed by Trinitarian Testimonies, p. 428.

As mentioned in the Note on 1c, the Prologue’s “The Word was God” offers a difficulty because there is no article before theos. Does this imply that “god” means less when predicated of the Word than it does when used as a name for the Father? Once again the reader must divest himself of a post-Nicene understanding of the vocabulary involved.
-Raymond E. Brown, The Anchor Bible, p. 25.

The most natural reading of John 1:1 shows that there are two being mentioned (not three): God and a second who was ‘theos’. They are not presented as two coequal persons in a Binity or Trinity. What we really have is one with the character of THEOS who is with TON THEOS (the God), thus he cannot be the God he is with! The LOGOS is unique however. He/it is identified further in the gospel as “a son from a father, begotten, as a visible being verses the unseen God, Now, without redefining the word THEOS we need to explain how we can have two who are both referred to as “theos.” Either there were two equal Gods or persons called God, or it is talking about a godlike one that is with the Almighty God. When we read all the scriptures we see that the scriptures including the Book of John backs up the last view, that the Father is greater than the Son; that the Father is the only God and the Son is the image of The God.

So what conclusion are we to draw from John 1:1 and the Book of John? In John’s own words he explains the conclusion for his Book. This conclusion is not the Trinity Doctrine. Read the verse below to see what the conclusion is.

John 20:30-31.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. “

So John wrote this gospel so that we may come to the conclusion that Jesus is truly the Christ and the Son of God. In addition to this important truth we are also told that we may receive life through his name. The Trinity Doctrine is not the conclusion that one should draw from this writing. Belief that Jesus is the Christ and the Son is the foundation of true faith and Jesus built his Church on this truth. The Trinity Doctrine is not that foundation, rather it is another foundation.

So why don’t translations of the bible translate John 1:1 as the Word was divine. Well first of all it is not incorrect to say that the Word was god, but Trinitarians translators say the Word was God which makes readers think that Jesus is the God (the person). However, in order to bring out the true meaning, some translations actually use the word ‘divine’. See below:

“In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.”
An American Translation, Edgar Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith, The University of Chicago Press, p. 173

“The Logos (word) existed in the very beginning, and the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine”
by Dr. James Moffatt

So the idea that Jesus Christ is God is often and supposedly supported by John 1:1. However the rest of John’s Gospel makes careful distinctions between Jesus and his Father as well as Jesus and God. This same distinction and separation is found throughout the rest of the New Testament too. The New Testament actually goes much further than merely distinguishing and separating the two. In John 17:3 Jesus, in prayer to his Father, refers to him as “the only true God”. In John 20:17 the resurrected Jesus refers to his Father as “my Father, and your Father; and… my God, and your God.” In I Corinthians 8:6 the Apostle Paul says of Christians, “to us there is but one God, the Father.” In I Timothy 2:5 Paul states, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” In Ephesians 1:17 Paul refers to the Father as “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory.” And in Revelation 3:12 the resurrected and glorified Jesus says, “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

We must also remember that the judges of Israel were called gods/theos. This doesn’t mean that they were part of God or part of the Trinity, it just means that they had authority given to them by God. It is also written that we can partake of divine nature, so that could also make us divine just as partaking in flesh makes us man. It must be noted though, that being divine or partaking in divine nature is different to actually being the Divine himself.

Also see John 10:34-35:
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, I have said you are gods” (theos).
35 If he called them gods (theos), to whom the word of God (ho theos) came, and the Scripture cannot be broken,

2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Also Jesus said that he was one with his Father and he also prayed that we would be one with them. See John 17:21
that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

We humans were intended to share in the divine nature too, yet we are not the God. John 1:1 shows us that the Word was god (divine), not (the Word was/is the God, Yahweh) which many seem to think it says. The Word came from God, is of God, is like God, and this is consistent with the scriptures we have looked at thus far. 1 Corinthians 11:3 reinforces this statement because the word “head” in the Greek is translated “from”, source or authority. Remember that the woman came from Man and Man came from Christ and Christ came from God. This is the divine order.

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God, Jesus wasn’t created, rather the Word was born from God in eternity and that is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten of the Father. (John 1:14) (John 1:18) (John 3:16 ) (John 3:18 ) (1 John 4:9 ). The word begotten means (only child, single of its kind). Notice that our spirits are born from God, but through his Word, and our spirits will go back to God who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7) . But Jesus was not begotten through the Word because he is the Word, this is why Jesus is unique because he is the only one begotten of the Father and therefore he is the image of his Father. That is why he is called the Image of God and the Firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15) and it is also why the Bible says in (Hebrews 1:5) For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father” Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”

Unlike his Father who is the invisible Spirit, Jesus does have a body and is visible. Jesus was born from God. We must remember that although his Father is greater than himself, he is also not just a man like us. Yes he partook of flesh and came as a man like us, but he also existed in the form of God as the Word or Logos. We are told that he resides between God and Man and as a man he is our mediator to God. It was indeed the Word that became flesh. God did not  become flesh, instead God resided in Christ who came in the flesh. So just like us, God can be in us who are made of flesh, but God himself did not become flesh. God is not a man and never will be a man. It was the Word who came to us as a man and it was the Word that all things  were created though. See John 1:3.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

And to compliment the fact that God made all things through his Word, and that Jesus is the Word of God, even ignoring the fact that Jesus wears a title, “The Word of God” as recorded in the Book of Revelation, we are specifically told, that God created everything through Jesus Christ. See :Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 

So Jesus was begotten not created and again, this is why he is called God’s only begotten Son and this is why he is unique. He is seated at the right hand of God and situated between God & Man. This is also why he is the only mediator between God & Man and the only name under heaven whereby Man can be saved. God made creation through him and for him and God redeemed creation through him too. God cannot fellowship with sin that is why he sent his Son into the world, so he could bring us back to himself through his mediator. Jesus came from God and he was in the beginning with God. So what does it mean when it says ‘beginning’? The Greek word for beginning, in John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word” is ‘arche’ and this word means the following:

1) beginning, origin
2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
4) the extremity of a thing
4a) of the corners of a sail
5) the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
5a) of angels and demons

Below I will show you a verse where the word “beginning” or ‘arche’ is also mentioned and I think you will agree that it is rather obvious from this verse that it does not mean eternity or eternal. The verse is John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him.

Just for good measure, I will also throw in the first verse in the bible, which also uses the word beginning (note that this a Hebrew word). I am sure we can all agree that the earth has not been in existence for all of eternity.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Certainly if we read John 1:1 correctly and in context with all scripture, we see that it is not teaching that God is a Trinity.

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  • #321240
    carmel
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    That means God would be taking up the space that you and I take up. And that would mean that God was you and I, and you and I are God Almighty.

    Mike,

    GOD IS LIFE NO???

    SO NOTHING ALIVE EXIST WITHOUT GOD, SINCE ALL IS IN JESUS!!!

    and JESUS IS GOD!!!

    Therefore God Almighty is in you and I.

    So it DOESN'T mean that God would be taking up the space that you and I take up???

    therefore it is not also means that wherever there are creatures,there's also God???

    If wherever  there are creatures there's God, it is not OMNIPRESENCE THEN???

    WHY SHOULD GOD BE WHEREVER THERE ARE NO CREATURES???

    ALSO IN THE SPACE BETWEEN YOU AND ME THERE'S DEFINITELY LIFE ,OTHERWISE IT WON'T BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO MOVE!!!

    UNLESS WE DIE!!!

    SO IF THERE'S LIFE IN THE SPACE BETWEEN YOU AND ME,THERE'S ALSO GOD!!!

    SINCE GOD IS LIFE!!!

    SO WHAT, AND WHO IS CAPABLE TO DETERMINE  WHEREVER THERE'S AN EMPTY SPACE THERE IS OR THERE ISN'T GOD???

    CONSIDERING THE FACT

    THAT WHAT WE BELEIVE IS AN EMPTY SPACE IN THE UNVERSE ISN'T EMPTY AT ALL, BUT IT IS COMPLETELY DARK ENERGY AND DARK MATTER

    SO!

    ISN'T GOD OMNIPRESENCE???

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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    jammin
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    who is that YHVH ed?


    Hi Jammin,

    “YHVH is GOD”(117)

    God bless
    Ed J


    who is that YHVH GOD? who is the GOD you are referring to?


    Hi Jammin,

    If you don't know him,
    I suggest you do get to know him.

                 “YHVH”(63) is the God of “The Bible”(63).

    “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (YHVH,)
     the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”  (John 17:3)

    God bless
    Ed J


    why cant you answer me?

    who is the GOD you are referring to?


    Hi Jammin,

    YHVH (יהוה) is the Judeo-Christian “GOD” of The Bible.

    God bless
    Ed J
    PS. Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over?


    cant you answer my question ed?? is it hard for you to answer?

    who is the GOD you are referring to?
    who is that judeo-christian GOD?


    Hi Jammin,

    “I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of
     God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.” (Ex 6:3)

    God bless
    Ed J


    who is that jehovah?


    God


    who is that GOD? why cant you answer my question boy LOL


    Hi Jammin,

    יהוה YÄ-hä-vā (YHVH) is God's name, but most
    English-speaking people say God's name as JEHOVAH.

    I answered your question “FIVE” times now.
    What specifically do you want to know?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    who is that JEHOVAH??

    Christ is called jehovah.

    who is the GOD you are referring to?
    the father is God
    the son is God

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    Ed J
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    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 22 2012,11:39)
    Christ is called jehovah.


    No he isn't.

    #321305
    jammin
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    Christ is called jehovah.


    No he isn't.


    yes he is
    mat 3.3
    For this was he of whom it was said by Isaiah the Prophet, “A voice that cries in the desert, 'Prepare the way of THE LORD JEHOVAH and level his paths'.”

    sorry boy

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    Ed J
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    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2012,11:45)

    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 22 2012,11:39)
    Christ is called jehovah.


    No he isn't.


    yes he is
    mat 3.3
    For this was he of whom it was said by Isaiah the Prophet, “A voice that cries in the desert, 'Prepare the way of THE LORD JEHOVAH and level his paths'.”

    sorry boy


    Hi Jammin,

    Yes, the way of The LORD JEHOVAH was prepared when John the baptist baptized Jesus. (John 1:14)
    “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit(John 1:14) and with power: who went about
    doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with(/within) him.” (Acts 10:38)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #321318
    jammin
    Participant

    that LORD in mat 3.3 is Christ.
    the bible said that. john the baptist said that to jesus

    Wesley's Notes

    3:3 The way of the Lord – Of Christ. Make his paths straight – By removing every thing which might prove a hinderance to his gracious appearance. Isaiah 40:3.

    the book of luke also said that Christ is JEHOVAH
    luke 2.11
    “For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.”

    sorry boy. you are a false teacher. you do not have a match for the word of GOD

    #321334
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    No, Luke 2:11 does NOT say that; here is what Luke 2:11 actually says:
    “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior,
     which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #321522
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (carmel @ Nov. 21 2012,00:45)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2012,12:01)
    So then Jesus was “FULLY GLORIFIED” when he said that his God was also our God?  :)

    Mike,

    No!!!

    That was  04.00 in the MORNING.

    If you keep on reading you will have your answer.


    Hi Charles,

    First of all, you have no scriptural indication of when Jesus was “fully glorified” – especially of what time of day it was.

    Secondly, it doesn't really matter, because Jesus STILL refers to Jehovah as “my God” in Revelation – while he is in heaven at the right hand of his God and our God.

    #321525
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (carmel @ Nov. 21 2012,15:22)

    Quote
    That means God would be taking up the space that you and I take up. And that would mean that God was you and I, and you and I are God Almighty.

    Therefore God Almighty is in you and I.


    Charles,

    I don't want to get into this omnipresent thing.  Like the trinity doctrine and the belief that there LITERALLY exists only one god, it is a tradition of MEN, that has been passed down through the generations.

    I will prove to you that God is not omnipresent using one scripture:

    Exodus 33:3
    Go up to the land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go with you, because you are a stiff-necked people and I might destroy you on the way.”

    If God was truly omnipresent, there would never even be a possibility of Him “not going with” the Israelites, because He would already BE anywhere they are, and anywhere they were going. Not only that, but He would already be taking up every atom of space that made up the nation of Israel, and therefore would have BEEN the nation of Israel.

    #321582
    carmel
    Participant

    [quote=mikeboll64,Nov. 24 2012,04:27][/quote]

    Quote
    First of all, you have no scriptural indication of when Jesus was “fully glorified” – especially of what time of day it was.
       

    Mike,

    Here is your indication:

    Matthew 12:40

    For as Jonas was in the whale's belly three days and three nights: so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

    Using Jewish time,

    Can you work that out???

    since He died Friday at three in the afternoon???

    Or shall I do it for you???

    Quote
    Secondly, it doesn't really matter, because Jesus STILL refers to Jehovah as “my God” in Revelation

    IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT JESUS CALL HIS FATHER!!!

    THE FATHER ALSO CALLED JESUS GOD!!!

    Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne,

    O GOD,

    is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of

    THY KINGDOM.

    OK???

    HE CALLED HIM GOD,

    AND ALSO  HIS SON'S KINGDOM

    AND SINCE HE IS HIS SON,

    HE IS ALSO HIS SON GOD,

    OR HIS GOD AS WELL!!!

    SINCE HE IS IN A DIFFERENT STATE AND BELONG TO HIM!!!

    SIMILAR TO GOD'S KINGDOM,WHICH IS THE SON'S KINGDOM!!!

    ALSO

    JESUS CONFIRMED TO MAGDALENE THAT HE IS THE TRUE GOD:

    John 20:17 ………..But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.

    NOW:

    CONSIDERING :

    ASCEND TO

    DEFINED AS :

    ASCEND TO A HIGHER DEGREE IN VIEW OF

    It WOULD MEAN:

    GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY TO THEM :

    I  GLORIFY AS MY FATHER,AND AS YOUR FATHER,AS MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.

    SO HE CONFIRMED THAT HE IS GOD IN THE TRUTH,

    SINCE HE GLORIFIED BOTH SPIRITUAL (WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT)AS HIS GOD , AND CARNAL (IN HIMSELF)AS THEIR GOD.

    WHILE THE FATHER IS STILL UP TO NOW AS A SPIRIT ONLY

    SO THE FACT THAT HE SAID, MY FATHER,AND MY GOD, IT MADE JESUS MORE THE TRUE GOD!!! SINCE HE WAS DISCRIBING HIS UNIQUE STATE!!!

    IN FACT JESUS CHRIST IS IN COMMAND AS THE TRUE GOD OF BOTH HEAVEN AND EARTH,

    BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH CREATURES.

    AND THE ENTIRE CRATURES ARE ALL SUBJECT TO HIM!!!

    WHILE THE FATHER IS PLEASED TO HAVE HIS FULNESS IN A HIS GOD ,SINCE HE IS IN HIS SON THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    NEXT TO HIM ON HIS RIGHT HAND.

    AFTER ALL HE HIMSELF EXALTED HIM AS THE TRUE GOD!!!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #321584
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote
    If God was truly omnipresent, there would never even be a possibility of Him “not going with” the Israelites, because He would already BE anywhere they are, and anywhere they were going.  Not only that, but He would already be taking up every atom of space that made up the nation of Israel, and therefore would have BEEN the nation of Israel.

    Mike,

    the above is a proof that you take scripture LITERALLY ONLY.

    I will not go with you,

    GOD NEVER LEAVE HIS CREATURES AS SUCH OTHERWISE THEY WILL NOT EXIST,

    DO YOU FEEL GOD WITHIN YOU???

    DON'T YOU COMMIT ALL KIND OF EVIL STILL IF YOU WANT TO???

    NOTHING EXISTS WITHOUT GOD'S SPIRIT WITHIN , NO  MATTER WHAT!!!

    SATAN HIMSELF EXISTS ONLY THROUGH THE SON'S SPIRIT WITHIN HIM AS A MEDIATOR AS  LIFE SOURCE.

    DID YOU EVER REFLECTED ON THE EVENT OF THE FIG TREE WHICH JESUS ERADICATED TO PROVE TO SATAN THAT HIS(JESUS')SPIRIT IS THE LIFE SOURCE???

    SATAN BELEIVED THAT HE WAS THE LIFE SOURCE OF THE WORLD,SINCE HE OWNED THE EARTH.

    HE BELEIVED THAT

    HE WAS AUTONOMOUS!!!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #321637
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2012,00:33)
    Hi Jammin,

    No, Luke 2:11 does NOT say that; here is what Luke 2:11 actually says:
    “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior,
     which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    the Word Lord there refers to jehovah.

    the version is correct

    translators know what they are doing. they know the language better than you boy LOL

    make your own bible

    #321644
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote
    So you think that Satan was in the soul of the one you say is “God in flesh”?

    You think God in flesh had to obey Satan?

    Mike,

    Jesus, first obeyed the Father when he was one with Him and left Him in order for the Father to create all OUR CREATION

    BY HIM.

    Then He obeyed His parents,EXCEPT ONES AT THE AGE OF 12.

    Then He obeyed His enemy throughout the 18 hidden years, AS SON OF MAN ONLY.

    Then He lived BOTH AS THE REAL SON OF MAN,AND THE REAL SON OF GOD TO CARRY THE FATHER WITHIN HIM IN HIS FULNESS!!!

    SO JESUS FIRST CARRIED SATAN’S SPIRIT SINCE BIRTH UP TO 30 YEARS.

    THEN HE CARRIED GOD ALMIGHTY FOR THREE YEARS ON EARTH MAKING GOD THE FATHER IN FLESH FORM,THE FIRST EVER FORM GOD EVER HAD.

    BEFORE HE WAS FORMLESS,JUST UNIQUE SPIRIT.

    THEN THROUGH DEATH ITSELF,HE BECAME THE TRUE GOD IN BOTH

    FLESH( HIS OWN SPIRIT THROUGH CREATION) AND SPIRIT OF THE FATHER ALL THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    NOW!

    YOU REALY ARE SHORT OF THE REALITY OF GOD!!!

    YOU DON'T EVEN RESPECT GOD AS HE IS:

    LOVE

    MEEK

    HUMBLE

    PATIENT

    CHARITABLE

    LOVE YOUR ENEMY AND DO GOOD TO WHOEVER THAT HATES YOU!!!

    GOD DEMONSTARTED HIS POWER THROUGH HIS BENIGNITY NOT THROUGH HIS MAJESTY!!!

    OTHERWISE BY USING HIS POWER OF HIS MAJESTY,HE WOULD BE LIKE HIS ENEMY!!!

    GOD WON THROUGH DEATH ITSELF!!!

    REFLECT ON THIS BECAUSE VERY, VERY FEW  ARE AWARE THAT JESUS USED HIS DEATH TO GLORIFY WITH.

    THIS TO SHOW SATAN THAT SINCE HE WAS THE POWER OF DEATH,THE EMPIRE OF DEATH,

    DEATH BECAME HOLY,NO MORE CURSE THROUGH HIM!!!

    JESUS BECAME CURSED FOR US,AND THROUGH THAT CURSE WE NO LONGER FEAR DEATH BECAUSE THROUGH IT WE END UP IN FRONT OF

    THE TRUE GOD ,AND JESUS CHRIST.

    NOT INFRONT OF THE FATHER!!!

    AND IF WE LIVE IN HIM WHILE ON EARTH,

    WE END UP IN HEAVEN WITHOUT THE NEED OF THE FATHER HIMSELF!!!

    OBVIOUS!!!

    BECAUSE JESUS ON THE CROSS DREW ALL THINGS ONTO HIMSELF.

    Quote
    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN WITH THE WORDS:???

    DRB:John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL THINGS to myself.

    I honestly don't know, Charles.

    I DON’T BLAME YOU!!!

    JESUS ON THE CROSS BECAME:

    BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH???

    BOTH INVISIBLE AND VISIBLE???

    BOTH LIGHT AND DARKNESS???

    BOTH GODLY AND MANLY, ???

    BOTH GOOD AND EVIL, ???

    BOTH THE BEGINNING AND THE END,???

    BOTH THE FIRST AND THE LAST,???

    BOTH ALPHA AND OMEGA???

    BOTH GOD AND SATAN, ???

    BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON???

    THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    #321706
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (carmel @ Nov. 23 2012,15:17)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2012,04:27)
    First of all, you have no scriptural indication of when Jesus was “fully glorified” – especially of what time of day it was.
       

    Mike,

    Here is your indication:

    Matthew 12:40

    For as Jonas was in the whale's belly three days and three nights: so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

    Using Jewish time,

    Can you work that out???

    since He died Friday at three in the afternoon???

    Or shall I do it for you???


    Let's work it out together.  You say Jesus died at 3:00 Friday afternoon.  John 20:1 says that Mary came to the tomb “early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark”.

    So Friday night he was in the tomb.  And all day Saturday (the Sabbath).  And Saturday night.  Then what?

    Quote (carmel @ Nov. 23 2012,15:17)

    Quote (mikeboll @ 64)
    Secondly, it doesn't really matter, because Jesus STILL refers to Jehovah as “my God” in Revelation

    IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT JESUS CALL HIS FATHER!!!

    THE FATHER ALSO CALLED JESUS GOD!!!

    Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne,

    O GOD,

    is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of

    THY KINGDOM.


    Ah, but calling someone a god is a far cry from calling someone “MY God”, right?  After all, the Father also called Satan “the god of Ekron”, right? Does that fact put Satan on equal status with God Almighty?

    Plus, consider the fact that Hebrews 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which was written about a HUMAN KING.  If this human king could be called “god” without actually being God Almighty, then why can't Jesus be called “god” without actually being God Almighty?

    Charles, the bottom line is this:  Jesus said that his God was also our God.  So who do you think Jesus calls “my God” four different times in Revelation 3:12?  Whoever Jesus is calling “my God” in that verse is also OUR God.

    #321707
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (carmel @ Nov. 24 2012,00:38)
    JESUS ON THE CROSS BECAME:

    BOTH LIGHT AND DARKNESS

    BOTH GOOD AND EVIL,

    BOTH GOD AND SATAN,


    Hmmmm…………………..

    #321719
    terraricca
    Participant

    charles

    Quote
    JESUS ON THE CROSS BECAME:

    BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH???

    BOTH INVISIBLE AND VISIBLE???

    BOTH LIGHT AND DARKNESS???

    BOTH GODLY AND MANLY,

    BOTH GOOD AND EVIL,

    BOTH THE BEGINNING AND THE END,???

    BOTH THE FIRST AND THE LAST,???

    BOTH ALPHA AND OMEGA???

    BOTH GOD AND SATAN,

    BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON???

    THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    even within your own statement you are false ,never mind the scriptures there you are way,way out

    #321732
    carmel
    Participant

    [quote=mikeboll64,Nov. 25 2012,03:22][/quote]

    Quote
    Hmmmm…………………..

    Mike,

    With:

    Hmmmm……………………

    you get  nowhere!!!

    Contradict me!!!

    say something which make sense in order to prove that I am wrong!!!!

    OBVIOUS REFER TO SCRIPTURE!!!

    ALL WHAT I WROTE IS SCRIPTURAL!!!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #321737
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Okay Charles.

    Was God Himself really on the stake? Did God Himself die at the hands of men?

    Was Satan crucified on the stake? What scripture says so?

    What happened to God and to Satan when Jesus was removed from the stake?

    It seems that YOU need to scripturally support the odd things you often claim on this thread BEFORE any of us need to scripturally refute them.

    Show me a scripture that says Jesus became Satan and God on the stake.

    Show me how someone who wasn't God can “BECOME God on the stake”, when God is immutable.

    I think “Hmmmmm…………………” sums it up just fine.

    #321752
    carmel
    Participant

    [quote=terraricca,Nov. 25 2012,04:00][/quote]

    Quote
    even within your own statement you are false ,never mind the scriptures there you are way,way out

    Terraricca,

    FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!!! Prove otherwise through scripture !!!

    NOT JUST  BLA!  BLA!  BLA!  BLA!

    Jesus confirmed:

    IF I AM LIFTED UP,I DREW ALL THINGS ONTO MYSELF!!!

    DO YOU WANT MORE PROOFS THEN THAT STATEMENT FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS CHRIST???

    IN YOUR OWN INTELIGENCE DEFINE WHAT ALL THINGS ARE!!!

    AREN'T ALL  THINGS MEAN WHATEVER EXIST STARTING WITH GOD HIMSELF???

    CONSIDERING:

    colossians 1:Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For in him were

    ALL THINGS

    created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: a

    ALL THINGS

    were created by him and in him. 17 And he is before all, and by him

    ALL THINGS

    consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in

    ALL THINGS

    he may hold the primacy: 19 Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that

    ALL FULLNESS

    should dwell; 20 And through him to reconcile

    ALL THINGS UNTO HIMSELF,

    making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the

    THINGS  

    that are on earth, and the

    THINGS

    that are in heaven.

    Now reflect:

    Isaiah 45:14 Thus saith the Lord:

    (WHO IS SPEAKING ,THE FATHER OR THE SON???)

    The labour of Egypt, and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and of Sabaim, men of stature shall come over to thee,

    ( TO WHOM ??” TO  THE SON OR TO THE FATHER)

    and shall be thins: they shall walk after thee,

    (AFTER WHO??? AFTER THE SON OR AFTER THE FATHER)

    they shall go bound with manacles: and they shall worship thee,

    ( WORSHIP WHO THE SON OR THE FATHER)

    and shall make supplication to thee:

    (TO WHOM TO THE SON OR TO THE FATHER)

    only in thee is God,

    (IN WHOM IS GOD??? IN THE SON OR IN THE FATHER)

    and there is no God besides thee.( BESISDES WHO ,THE SON OR THE FATHER???

    SO TO DECIDE WHO IS SPEAKING TO WHOM!!!

    SO YOU WILL KNOW  WHO IS THIS UNIQUE GOD AND THERE'S NO OTHER BESIDES HIM!!!  IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH !!!

    15 Verily thou art a hidden God, ( WHO IS A HIDDEN GOD,THE SON OR THE FATHER)

    the God of Israel the saviour.( WHO IS CALLING WHO :

    THE GOD OF ISRAEL THE SAVIOUR??? BUT AGAIN FIRST DECIDE WHO IS SPEAKING TO WHO!!!)

    25 Therefore shall he say:( WHO THE FATHER OR THE SON???)

    In the Lord (IN  WHICH LORD??? THE FATHER OR THE SON???)

    are my justices and empire: they shall come to him,

    ( TO WHOM TO THE FATHER OR TO THE SON???)

    and all that resist him shall be confounded.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #321757
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ Nov. 25 2012,03:22)
    [quote=terraricca,Nov. 25 2012,04:00][/quote]

    Quote
    even within your own statement you are false ,never mind the scriptures there you are way,way out

    Terraricca,

    FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!!! Prove otherwise through scripture !!!

    NOT JUST  BLA!  BLA!  BLA!  BLA!

    Jesus confirmed:

    IF I AM LIFTED UP,I DREW ALL THINGS ONTO MYSELF!!!

    DO YOU WANT MORE PROOFS THEN THAT STATEMENT FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS CHRIST???

    IN YOUR OWN INTELIGENCE DEFINE WHAT ALL THINGS ARE!!!

    AREN'T ALL  THINGS MEAN WHATEVER EXIST STARTING WITH GOD HIMSELF???

    CONSIDERING:

    colossians 1:Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For in him were

    ALL THINGS

    created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: a

    ALL THINGS

    were created by him and in him. 17 And he is before all, and by him

    ALL THINGS

    consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in

    ALL THINGS

    he may hold the primacy: 19 Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that

    ALL FULLNESS

    should dwell; 20 And through him to reconcile

    ALL THINGS UNTO HIMSELF,

    making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the

    THINGS  

    that are on earth, and the

    THINGS

    that are in heaven.

    Now reflect:

    Isaiah 45:14 Thus saith the Lord:

    (WHO IS SPEAKING ,THE FATHER OR THE SON???)

    The labour of Egypt, and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and of Sabaim, men of stature shall come over to thee,

    ( TO WHOM ??” TO  THE SON OR TO THE FATHER)

    and shall be thins: they shall walk after thee,

    (AFTER WHO??? AFTER THE SON OR AFTER THE FATHER)

    they shall go bound with manacles: and they shall worship thee,

    ( WORSHIP WHO THE SON OR THE FATHER)

    and shall make supplication to thee:

    (TO WHOM TO THE SON OR TO THE FATHER)

    only in thee is God,

    (IN WHOM IS GOD??? IN THE SON OR IN THE FATHER)

    and there is no God besides thee.( BESISDES WHO ,THE SON OR THE FATHER???

    SO TO DECIDE WHO IS SPEAKING TO WHOM!!!

    SO YOU WILL KNOW  WHO IS THIS UNIQUE GOD AND THERE'S NO OTHER BESIDES HIM!!!  IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH !!!

    15 Verily thou art a hidden God, ( WHO IS A HIDDEN GOD,THE SON OR THE FATHER)

    the God of Israel the saviour.( WHO IS CALLING WHO :

    THE GOD OF ISRAEL THE SAVIOUR??? BUT AGAIN FIRST DECIDE WHO IS SPEAKING TO WHO!!!)

    25 Therefore shall he say:( WHO THE FATHER OR THE SON???)

    In the Lord (IN  WHICH LORD??? THE FATHER OR THE SON???)

    are my justices and empire: they shall come to him,

    ( TO WHOM TO THE FATHER OR TO THE SON???)

    and all that resist him shall be confounded.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    charles

    all has to be true according to Gods word not our own ;

    so all thing are of God it does not matter what it his ;this is the foundamental truth ;

    but ;God decided to give all of what he create to his son to be administrated by Christ,wen I say all it mean not God or Christ himself ,

    so now we have GOD OF GODS WHO HIS JEHOVAH THE FATHER AND HE ALSO HIS LORD OF LORDS

    NOW THEN WE HAVE HIS SON ;LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS

    IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT GOD HIS LORD OVER LORDS BECAUSE HE IS LORD OVER HIS SON CHRIST ,BUT HE ALSO HIS LORD OVER ALL THE LORDS THAT HIS SON HIS LORD OVER ,

    I DO NOT SEE CHRIST AND HIS FATHER BE ONE BEING AT ALL

    THEY ARE TWO DISTINCT PERSON WITH THEIR OWN WILL,

    BUT GOD THE FATHER IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONLY GOD TO ALL LIVING THINGS WHILE HIS SON WILL BE THE ONLY ADMINISTRATOR OVER CREATION,SO THAT CHRIST HIS FOREVER THE HIGH PRIEST BECAUSE HE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE TO GO IN FRONT AND SEE GOD AS HE HIS ,JUST LIKE THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON,OR MOSES HIS ANOTHER EXAMPLE,

    THIS IS WHY IT IS SAID THAT HE SITS ON GOD THRONE ,SITTING ON THE SEAT OF THE ONE WHO OWN THAT SEAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE OWNER OF IT ,

    so all your speculations are rwong ,but you can believe them if you want

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