Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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March 7, 2021 at 8:45 pm#869602
Berean
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Hi Carmel
I will raise him up in the last day.
OBVIOUS: ON HIS DEATH ON EARTH!

I am not sure I fully understand your question / assertion ….. The last day is not at the cross (on His death)but when Jesus returns ….When Jesus comes into his reign, he will bring his faithful children back to life forever and he will take them to Heaven with him.
2 Thess.4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I hope I have at least partially answered your question / statement
Blessings

March 7, 2021 at 9:16 pm#869603
Berean
Participant
Jodi
I gave you a very good number of scriptures that say in fact that our one God the Father (NOT JESUS) raised Jesus from the dead. You also contradict what the definition of death is that the scriptures give us and I agree with what Gene said in his post to you about that.
Me
You do not understand what it means that the Father raised Jesus from the dead, because YOU deny the divinity of Christ …..
YES, IT IS THE FATHER WHO RESURRECTED CHRIST, HE ORDERED HIM TO RESUME HIS LIFE….
THE LIFE HE HAS IN HIMSELF
SEE JOHN 1
In him was life(Zoé); and the life was the light of men.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.(John 10:18)

March 8, 2021 at 4:56 am#869604
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Berean…….The power Jesus had was in him, it was the spirit of the the living God .
Rom 8:11…..”But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, “HE” that raised up Christ from the “Dead” shall also quicken your mortal bodies “BY” his Spirit that dwells in you.”
So if we have that same Spirit in us, we also have the power of being resurected from the dead dwelling in us, “Exactly” as Jesus did. But that “power” was and is given by God the Father only. Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, He was truly “dead” , exactly the same as all true Saint’s are when they die also.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
March 8, 2021 at 7:00 am#869605
Danny Dabbs
Participant
@Jodi
Hi Jodi, thanks for your reply.
Well the Bible clearly says that we have the spirit of Jesus Christ.
Not just the spirit of God the Father.
Galatians 4:6 “Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!”
As a matter of fact, we have BOTH the spirit of the Father and of His Son.
John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will follow My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our dwelling with him.”
So I have to ask you the same question again:
How can a mere man live in Paul and the rest of the New Testament believers all at once without also being God?
God bless,
Danny
March 8, 2021 at 8:23 am#869606
carmel
Participant
Hi Berean,
YOU: I am not sure I fully understand your question / assertion ….. The last day is not at the cross (on His death)but when Jesus returns ….When Jesus comes into his reign, he will bring his faithful children back to life forever and he will take them to Heaven with him.
Berean that is only one occurrence related to the term “ON THE LAST DAY” and in scripture like other phrases and terms they don’t always refer to just one SAME instance.
Now I myself referred to a particular scripture related to the term “RAISING UP” mentioned by Jesus which I am positively sure that HE DIDN’T REFER TO HIS RESURRECTION for the simple reason that His resurrection did occur ON THE THIRD DAY, which has nothing to do with HIS RAISING UP ON THE LAST DAY mentioned by Jesus! Here is this particular scripture which I feel is completely ignored by the majority of the believers, which ironically it is an event,
THANKS TO JESUS, that we believers should all be more than keen to experience which is
THE EVERLASTING LIFE! Now Let’s read again from John 6
John6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed.
Jesus introduced the MYSTERIOUS BELIEF of LIFE EVERLASTING! which we all know will occur immediately on one’s death.
28 They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? 29Jesus answered, and said to them:
This is the work of God, THAT YOU BELIEVE IN HIM whom he hath sent.
JUST BELIEVE IN JESUS, as simple as that! The rest is in Jesus’ hands,
Now Jesus mentioned this concept in
John5:24 Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment,
but is passed from death to life.
Immediately on A BELIEVER’S death,
death BECOMES ETERNAL LIFE!
Jesus also referred to this particular moment of one’s death to Martha in
John 11:22 Martha, therefore, said to Jesus: Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22But now also I know that whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
23Jesus saith to her: Thy brother shall rise again. 24Martha saith to him:
I know that he shall rise again, in the resurrection at the last day.
In the above Berean Martha referred also to your same understanding regarding the term “AT THE LAST DAY”
Then Jesus made it clear of what He was on about and said:
25Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life:
Notice Jesus made it clear that
HE IS BOTH THE RESURRECTION and THE LIFE!
Which definitely means that though a believer dies, IN ONE INSTANT, IN A FLICK OF AN EYE, EXPERIENCES
BOTH THE RESURRECTION and THE LIFE!
IN JESUS!
Then he continued and said:
he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live:
As clear as crystal Berean: He that believes in Jesus, THOUGH DIES obvious as a human being in FLESH,
HE LIVES ETERNALLY GLORIFIED IN HIS SOUL!
ETERNAL LIFE FULLY ACTIVE,
deliberately through the believer’s own faith,
ON THE LAST DAY of his existence on earth.
Now back to
John6:39 Now this is the will of the Father who sent me: that of all that he hath given me,
I should lose nothing;
The above is directed to Jesus’ death, where He confirmed that though He, “THE WORD” the Son of Man, Jesus’human nature dies, HE LOSES NOTHING,
BOTH OF HIS DIVINITY AND OF HIS HUMANITY BUT IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH,
HIS LAST DAY ON EARTH,
GLORIFIES IT WHEN HIS FLESH SPIRITUALIZED, BECOME
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, Jesus’divine nature John13:31-32, John 4:36,37, John17:1 in
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN ON EARTH! CONFIRMED HEREUNDER:
but should raise it up again on the last day.
In the above Berean, WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT, Jesus referred to Himself, precisely
TO HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS,
THE LAST DAY OF JESUS’ EXISTENCE ON EARTH!
BY WHICH DEATH HE RAISED HIMSELF UP AND GLORIFIED TO THE HIGHEST STATE OF
GODMAN ON EARTH IN
JESUS CHRIST
40And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that EVERYONE who seeth the Son, and believeth in him,
may have life everlasting, and
I will raise him up in the last day.

ONCE A BELIEVER DIES HE EXPERIENCES, PRECISELY
HIS GLORIFICATION BOTH IN HIS SOUL and
IN HIS FLESH ACCORDING TO HIS BELIEF and PRACTICE IN CHRIST JESUS.
The fact that we should imitate Jesus throughout our lives.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

March 8, 2021 at 10:11 am#869607
Berean
Participant
Hi Carmel
I don’t believe in the life of the “soul” after death.
1 Thess. 5:23 tells us that the human being is made up of spirit, soul and body
It’s 3 things are inseparable …..
May the God of peace himself sanctify you entirely, and may your whole being, spirit, soul and body, be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ! (1 Thess.5:23)
When we die, our whole being dies: body, soul and spirit are no longer alive
Believer or unbeliever must wait for the resurrection either for eternal life or for final (eternal) death
John 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
God bless you
March 8, 2021 at 1:00 pm#869608
Jodi
Participant
Hi Berean,
Jesus laid down his life for his sheep that they may have life. Jesus laid down his life so that he could take it (life) again, FOR HIS SHEEP. That is what the passages within John 10 tell you.
Our heavenly Father raised Jesus from the dead you are told in many scriptures, no mention of Jesus having done anything in any one of those passages, it was all our ONE GOD THE FATHER. You pull one passage out of it’s context and create a doctrine that is not only nonsensical but creates multiple contradictions within the bible.
Guess what is true, once our Father raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus raised himself up from where he had been laid, being able to do so because God had made him ALIVE again!!
Pertaining to “divinity” the granted divine nature,
Mark 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: 40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Berean, I believe in EXACTLY what the above scriptures directly teach us.
I am promised to DRINK OF THE SAME CUP THAT JESUS DOES!!
I am promised to PARTAKE OF THE SAME EXACT DIVINE NATURE THAT JESUS DOES, FOR HE TRULY IS A FIRSTBORN OF MANY!!
I am promised to RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT CAUSES RIGHTEOUSNESS WHEN I AM RESURRECTED, JUST AS JESUS RECEIVED THE SPIRIT BY PROMISE ALSO WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD!!
IF I AM TO BE MADE INTO THE IMAGE OF THE SON IN ORDER FOR THE WORD TO BE FULFILLED THAT HE BE A FIRSTBORN OF MANY BRETHREN, THEN I AM A CHILD OF GOD JUST AS HE IS, ACCORDING TO BEING LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
March 8, 2021 at 1:13 pm#869609
mikeboll64
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A couple new Bible videos I made…

March 8, 2021 at 4:41 pm#869611
Jodi
Participant
Hi Danny,
YOU:
How can a mere man live in Paul and the rest of the New Testament believers all at once without also being God?
ME:
To touch on what I said in my earlier post, any person can live within another person. Any human spirit can live within a vast number of other human spirits. Actually I’d argue that our own spirits live continuously with both positive and negative energy coming from other people’s spirits living within us. Once you know someone they then will live within you to a degree dependent upon certain factors. Like I said earlier, even when someone has died and thus has ceased to exist, their spirit lives on in others.
Jesus Christ’s spirit living within you is the light that brings forth eternal life, no other human spirit has that ability and it’s the work of our ONE God the Father’s Spirit that calls you to Jesus.
With that being my understanding, can you see why I wouldn’t believe, for even one second, that the idea of Jesus’s spirit living in me makes him God?
When scripture all throughout tells me that Jesus is a human being, one who was called to righteousness by the God who says there is none like Him, He is the ONLY TRUE GOD, why would I believe in an idea that then creates other passages to be lies?
When scripture tells me that I am to be made into the image of the Son so that the Son can be a firstborn of many brethren as God promised from the beginning, why would I believe in an idea that then makes this into a lie? Or do you believe Danny that we all become God?
Jesus said in John 20, “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
Jesus IS MY BROTHER, as well he is head over me as my King and Master, but he is not and never will be unto me the one true God.
March 8, 2021 at 8:43 pm#869612
Berean
Participant
Jodi
You believe in a Christ who does not come from heaven, AND you deny The divinity of the true CHRIST
WHY ?
March 8, 2021 at 11:26 pm#869613
Ed J
Participant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnnCzJFuVMc
Mike,
You strain at a gnat but swallow a camel.
You strain to prove the camel you swallowed.
Jesus – No-where in Scripture is said to be “The Word”
____________
God bless
Ed J
March 8, 2021 at 11:35 pm#869614
Ed J
Participant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGTxx2xbGFQ&t=12s
Hi Mike,
It doesn’t say there are many god’s,
it instead says there are only many “called” gods. (1 Corinthians 8:5)
Here you are trying to back-translate the word “gods” into the text.
In the text you cite the word used is “EL-o-heem”, which can mean:
1 God
2 gods
3 Angels
4 Magistrates
Your error is plain for all to see.
Once again you strain to prove the camel you swallowed.
____________
God bless
Ed J
March 8, 2021 at 11:44 pm#869615
Ed J
Participant
And besides that Mike, God’s name is YHVH: Hebrew has No “W” sound.
The vowel points in God’s name YeHoVaH are: Sheva Cholam Kamatz !
“How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
and how shall they hear without a preacher?” (Romans 10:14)
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,
art the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18)
March 9, 2021 at 5:14 am#869616
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Mike……The word God means a relationship with something it can be a person any person or thing any thing, if you believe it is the power you trust in, then it your God, But to us true believers , we only have
“ONE” TRUE GOD”…..AND THAT “PERSON” IS YEHOVAH, he is the “ONLY ” POWER we lean on for our support, and trust in.
The original word for God Was a Hebrew Pictorial word , of a “OX” head with SHEPHERDS Staff leaning towards it. This represented , the power (OX HEAD) the Israelites leaned on (Shepherds staff) for support.
So it never represented a single person or thing , anything can be ‘YOUR’ TRUE , GOD IF YOU PUT YOUR TRUST IN FOR YOUR POWER IN LIFE. But unto us true believers we have “only” one true God and that “person” is “YEHOVAH”, he is “OUR” only God we trust in.
so the point of many other God is a mute point because there are many true God’s to different people , even their money can be their true God, but not to the true Believers , they ONLY HAVE “ONE’ TRUE GOD, and it’s the same GOD THAT JESUS HAS.
The word GOD is a “Descriptor of a relationship “, it is not a person, or thing , but your relation with a person or thing, no matter who or what it is. That is why we nearly always say, our God , their God, the God of this or that or them , my God , and so forth, because we are describing our relationship with something. So in conclusion there are many true God for different people , but not to us true believers, we have but “ONE” TRUE GOD” , ALL THE REST ARE FALSE GOD’S “TO” US.
peace and love to you and yours………gene
March 9, 2021 at 5:48 am#869617
Jodi
Participant
Hi Berean,
YOU: You believe in a Christ who does not come from heaven, AND you deny The divinity of the true CHRIST
WHY ?
ME:
False, I most certainly believe that the anointed (Christos) Jesus was sent out into the world where he was not of the earth but was from heaven.
We are told directly of the timing that Jesus was SENT and where he was coming from upon being sent.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached BEFORE HIS COMING the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
John the Baptist had to prepare the way before the coming of our Messiah. Our Messiah DID NOT COME UNTIL after John preached the baptism of repentance.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
YHVH had TO ANOINT (CHRIO) Jesus before he could be SENT as our ANOINTED (CHRISTOS -word origin CHRIO).
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; HE HATH SENT ME to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Above is the work that YHVH sent Jesus to do upon him becoming our Messiah. Below is our Messiah speaking about having finished the work that our ONLY TRUE GOD had sent Jesus to do upon him becoming our Messiah.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Below, tells us directly where our Messiah came from, HE CAME OUT FROM YHVH, and thus he was sent down from heaven.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
John 15: 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
There is NO Jesus Christ coming down from heaven being sent into the womb of Mary. That is not WHEN Jesus Christ was sent from heaven.
When our ONLY TRUE GOD YHVH’s Spirit came to abode within Jesus without measure and he was THEN sent, he was coming out from YHVH from heaven. John the baptist prepared his way BEFORE HIS COMING.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
False, I believe in the divine nature of Jesus Christ exactly how scripture teaches it, which I recently gave those passages to you.

March 9, 2021 at 5:56 am#869618
Jodi
Participant
Berean,
Please speak to how Isaiah’s passages below fit into your doctrine. I have said that the below passages CONTRADICT your doctrine and you don’t seem to have an answer.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Isaiah 45: 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; 25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; 26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. 2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified…. 5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isaiah42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Berean, these passages make it clear that,
Jesus is not YHVH, Jesus is YHVH’s SERVANT.
YHVH is one person where there is no one like Him and no other true God but Him.
YHVH by Himself created heaven and earth, where He spoke in the beginning and the light was formed. YHVH also made Jesus for to be a light unto mankind.
Such directly contradicts your doctrine.
March 9, 2021 at 7:55 am#869619
Danny Dabbs
Participant
@Jodi
Hi Jodi,
We read that the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets of old (1 Peter 1:11).
This proves that Christ existed at that time, prior to His human existence.
March 9, 2021 at 10:31 am#869625
Berean
Participant
Hi LU

@Berean
Yes…your video nailed it on the head. Where can I find that video? That has been my main message on here and this picture is something that I found to most closely represent the notion of something coming from eternal existence that results in both a Father and an offspring, see here:

Imagine this as a picture of the eternal essence going from one, into two, resulting in a Father and a son, both from eternal essence and both identical to each other.
Blessings, LU

Me
Sorry Lu…. I am very late to answer you
I realize now that I did not answer you ….

Here IS the link:
Prove all things by Nader Mansour
Blessings

March 9, 2021 at 10:43 am#869626
Berean
Participant
Jodi
Please speak to how Isaiah’s passages below fit into your doctrine. I have said that the below passages CONTRADICT your doctrine and you don’t seem to have an answer.

My ANSWER
ISAIAH 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Genesis 1:26
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
LET US MAKE MAN…
GOD SPOKE TO WHOM ???????
JODI. 🤔
March 9, 2021 at 10:56 am#869627
Proclaimer
Participant
@mikeboll64
If you are qualitatively something it doesn’t mean that you are that thing.
It means you could be that thing or like that thing.
For example, I am a man. Yes that means I am a man in nature and not the Man which was Adam.
But someone could call me an angel and no I am not an angel, but like an angel in that I am good.
Let’s look at scripture. It says that God is a rock. It says that those of Jesus are light and salt. It says that Israel is a fig tree. And it says that the word of God is a sword. Further, even the definite article doesn’t always make you that thing. Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. Thus, if Jesus is a god, it doesn’t mean he is an actual smaller god than the one true God. It could mean he is like God or that he is divine as that is God’s nature.
But let’s run with your idea here for a minute and accept that Jesus is literally a god. Why do we not read in scripture then, that a god called Jesus Christ healed people. Or a god named Jesus rode on a donkey. Or a god was baptized. And what of other gods. Jesus said ‘ye are gods’. How come we never read that a group of gods challenged Jesus or that Jesus gave a large group of gods some fish and bread.
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