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Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Mike, you say we (heliocentric model believers) rely too much on the testimony of scientists, but is it possible that you rely too much on the testimony of the math calculator or the formula you use?
For me, there is a huge range of evidence for the heliocentric model. Consider that New Zealand launches rockets and satellites into Space and even…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
I put the data into one of the many earth curve calculators you can find online, and put your camera height at 1000 feet. The result was 3 miles hidden due to curve. The higher you were, the less will be hidden. I put you at 10,000 feet high, and then there’s only supposed to be 3000 feet of that mountain hidden behind curvature.
I would h…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
(I don’t know what I did to make one of those screenshots sideways.
Maybe it is because NZ and US are on the side of a globe, so it was the right way up, but when the Earth became flat it then appeared sideways. Okay, that was a joke. Carry on.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Hi Mike.
No probs about answering everything from me. I will just put my ideas out there for all to read. If you or anyone else wishes to address anything I say, then good. If not, then I won’t take it personally. This is because this is not a foundational doctrine of the faith. If one man views it as he sees from his own perspective, and another…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
There is another possibility. If indeed we can see objects that according to the dimensions of the Earth, we shouldn’t be able to see with a telescope, then here is one explanation. Light is what makes things visible and light can reflect and refract off things such as physical objects and even clouds and moisture. So it is possible to peak over…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Can anyone explain why we can see buildings, mountains, and other objects like the Statue of Liberty and lighthouses from many times farther away than we should?
Maybe the Earth is so big that it is possible to see these things from great distances before the curvature makes them invisible.
A better question might be why I cannot see Alaska…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Hey no worries Mike and no pressure at all. Sometimes I take weeks to answer a post as there are more important things in life that take precedence.
Just good to hear from you again bro.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Hey Mike, I was just thinking. If it was a flat Earth, wouldn’t it come to an end?
Jesus did say a few things about the end of the world. lol.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Superstition Mountain is 4000 feet tall. At 55 miles (55 x 55 x 8), there should be 2016 feet hidden by curvature. That’s slightly more than half of it. It doesn’t look that way to me. It looks like I can see the vast majority of the whole thing. What do you see?
Good Mike. You check stuff out unlike most people. Of course checking stu…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
More proof of the Antarctica
Imagine the extent of the hoax and the people in this video either being deceived or complicit in the hoax.
A huge conspiracy relying on everyone being complicit and for what purpose? Seems like a huge resourced conspiracy that has no real purpose.Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Proof of the Antarctica
A thorough investigation into a plane crash in the Antarctica. You would think the last thing that the conspirators would want is a public airline accident investigation in Antarctica given all the research required by many people and organisations.Mike, commercial airlines use to fly over…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago

Nick, this is the edge of the world. It is called the Antarctica. It is an ice wall that contains the oceans from spilling over the flat disc. The Antarctica spans the circumference of the disk and is of course out of bounds, because people would know the truth if they were able to go there.
Planes connecting South Africa and New Zealand do…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Hi Mike.
I watched the video and I have an explanation. Not saying I am correct, but if the Earth globe does go round the sun, then this could be the explanation.
First off, the shadow is at the top of the moon because sunlight is peeping over the horizon and lighting up the bottom of the moon but not high…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Ordinary Jesus Brigade in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
Gene, if Jesus is and was ordinary just like us, then how can we follow him as our Lord, when God said in Jeremiah 17.5: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man
and makes flesh his strength”?Yes Miia. By implication, Gene would have us trust in man if Jesus were just a man. Funny that the disciples never brought that up.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Ordinary Jesus Brigade in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
Nick, believing as the scripture states that he was born the messiah, does not negate the Spirit descending upon him in the manner of a dove in the Jordan through the baptism of John. You have to take all the scripture and trust it is telling you the truth. If it appears to conflict to your CURRENT understanding, then deleting certain scriptures…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The mystery of Melchizedek in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
Let’s see how honest you are Gene.
Does this scripture say that Jesus was born the messiah, yes or no?
Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.Please answer yes or no. Anything else is from the Evil One. Do we really need to read what the Evil One has to say?
Yes or no?
Proclaimer replied to the topic The mystery of Melchizedek in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
T8….You need to check out what a MESSIAH is.
For a start, the one who was born in Bethlehem was not just a man made of real flesh, but was also born the Christ and son of God. His Father was the Holy God and his mother a human. Like Adam, he had no earthly father and is sometimes referred to as the second Adam.
But you state that Jesus was not b…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The mystery of Melchizedek in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
Hi T8,
What about just like you?
So you can follow him into his death and resurrection.
Nick, if he was like me, then he believes he was born the messiah.
Jesus is my teacher and I am the pupil. He came in the flesh so that I could inherit divine nature and have a body like his.
He reached down to me and lifted me up. But you think Jesus…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
Yet some think a man was in heaven prior to his birth?
Strange isn’t it Nick. I wonder why people might think that he had glory with God even before the Cosmos.
Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Hebrews 1:1-2
1…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
This is interesting in that the verse DOES NOT claim that had glory WHEN the world was… only BEFORE. Yet another scripture claim CREATED the world and all things within… and then another STATES that it was the FATHER who created everything ‘through’ the Son. Well, if only had glory BEFORE the world was, the question is then: ‘What GLORY did…
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