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    But you block your ears.

    I understand what you are saying, but scripture says otherwise. Thus I discount what you teach, rather than block my ears.

    Your leaven is opposite and not what scripture teaches us. Jesus was born the Christ, thus Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Your confession is to deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

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    Did you doubt that the Holy Spirit that spoke through Jesus Christ was before Abraham?

    Did you doubt that it was Jesus Christ speaking only that which was in accordance with God’s will? It seems you doubt. You also doubt that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. You say Jesus was not born the Christ. Your teaching is your own and comes from your own…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 11 months ago

    Thanks Anthony. I am too tired to read this right now, I need to get some sleep. Will certainly read this when I return. I really feel there is something in there for me to see. Blessings.

    Also this made me laugh because it was the perfect reaction to Nick’s accusations and false witness:

    Nick,

    Not sure how you were able to imply anything…

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    Nick, I am confident in scripture and if an angel was given a message to declare that went like the following, then it means what it says. Let me explain:

    But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid! For behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: Today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you. He is C…[Read more]

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    Nick, what spirit derives an opposite meaning to scripture?

    Scripture: Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

    Nick: 30 or so years later at the Jordan a Savior was born; at this point he became the Messiah and the Lord because before this, he was an ordinary man like Nick. Further, a particular…[Read more]

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    Think of it like this Nick.

    You have say three sixes and scripture is a Royal Flush.

    I choose scripture, thus you lose this round right?

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    Humans have one kind of body, that same body goes from being earthly to spiritual, do you agree?

    I agree. But in what capacity the body we have now is the same one at the resurrection is up for debate. First we have to acknowledge that we look through a glass darkly and John said it like this:

    what we will be has not yet been made known. But we…[Read more]

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    Hi T8,

    The one constant in your arguments is that your opinions are irrefutably correct.

    How arrogant.

    I am not correct, scripture is. I merely believe it and quote it. I didn’t write it, declare it, or invent it. I believe it though and you do not because you oppose this vehemently. You then say you need the Spirit to essentially deny what is…[Read more]

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    Jesus Christ, without the Jordan anointing, was a pious,

    It is a commandment to not bear false witness against thy neighbour. I challenge you to find where I have posted that Jesus was not anointed by the Spirit at Jordan. You cannot do it. Why do you say it then? Maybe because you are trying to detract attention away from yourself who denies…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 11 months ago

    My point about Jesus’s Father and your Father, is that you was born from your Father and your a human. Jesus was born of His Father and He’s a God. God bless.

    Yes good point. He partook of our nature through a process which was like our coming into this world, except of course Jesus has more in common with Adam in that sense than us who are…[Read more]

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    Two opposing opinions being argued here that are both wrong when scripture is used as the test.

    @Dig4truth you seem to disagree with this:
    “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent,”

    You see Dig, this truth is eternal life, so it needs to be respected. The Father is the only true…[Read more]

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    Nick doesn’t do yes / no questions because he is knows it requires a level of honesty that would condemn his own teaching. Perhaps Nick could explain his position if somehow the scripture regarding letting your yes be yes does not apply to him.

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    Hi Dig, you said:

    Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him

    Rather than craft a post about this, I poinyvyoubto the following page.

    John 20:28

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 11 months ago

    Hi Anthony, it seems from reading your last post that we agree on a lot of things, although the post was hard to read as it seemed to out of order somewhat.

    When I talk about my father in a spiritual sense, I am talking of the Father, not my earthly daddy. So we can be born from above in new birth and become a son of God. Like Jesus too, but of…[Read more]

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    Good Morning t8,

    I am believing in precisely what scripture says. You are changing the direct scriptural truth because you are misunderstanding what heavenly and spiritual means.

    A strange answer considering I spoke about scripture and what was said and further agreed with it. I was talking about the different bodies and how there are earthly…[Read more]

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    T8…..by preaching Jesus was born with the anointing spirit, and he was not baptized inorder to recieve it, then that put in the ranks of an anti-anointing, or ANTICHRIST person . What you are saying in effect is Jesus was not a true human being, who would need to be anointed with God’s spirit as we have to be. You also preach he prexisted as som…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 11 months ago

    Anthony, I do agree with some of your last post, but not all.

    If Jesus is the son of God, then is the father, the Father of God?

    No because the Father is God and the son is OF God.

    Likewise, we can be sons too and participate in divine nature. That doesn’t make us God even though we can participate in God’s nature, it makes us sons of…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick.

    I wrote this. I hope it helps.

    Let your yes be yes

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    Ha ha. You are trying to wrestle these scriptures away from us and give us your words as replacements. The cheek. Let your yes be yes means that you should be able to answer in this manner regarding appropriate questions because we should be honest. Lawyers know that to avoid an incriminating question, you simply provide lots of detail to hide the…[Read more]

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