He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Jesus was born the messiah. There is another Jesus who is preached by some who was not the Christ. It appears that this Jesus was a flesh body of some kind.

NASA Forensic Photo Investigation SOLVED!
Blame the fact that they used a low res JPEG and avoided the high res version.

See Mike. If we are patient, each FE argument will be debunked. The truth works exactly like that. It just takes time. FEers seem to think that no immediate answer means people are stumped because the Earth is actually flat.…[Read more]

So eclipses are caused by objects unknown or the moon creating the effect on its own and that is a good enough explanation to debunk the idea that the Solar System model can explain it all perfectly and visually. That sounds like scientism to me Mike. I would find it hard to ignore the fact that the SS model works like clockwork and visually…[Read more]

impossibility of a selenelion eclipse in the globe model.

Not impossible at all. We had one of these back in July. The following page has a little video about it so you can visualize what is going on. It seems you do not believe in refraction at all.

So we have to prove the Flat Earth without photos, videos, or personal testimonies from…[Read more]

Because the Solar System visualises eclipses and the mathematical data. The Flat Earth produces eclipses how? And the curved shadow on the moon, what is that? Refraction of the disk 90 degrees?

Hi T8,

You think a man came from heaven?

It was the Spirit in him speaking.

The Spirit came from heaven.

Flesh contributes nothing.

There you are again saying Jesus is not the Christ. If Jesus is the mere flesh which you seem to imply, then how can the flesh be Christ? So Jesus is not the Christ according to your own doctrine. It seems you…[Read more]

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me;

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the…[Read more]

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Boom! Game over Nick. Might as well join the knitting forum.

Did you hear a spirit that gave you an opposite meaning to the scriptures I quoted? Or is it the protection of a pet doctrine that makes a person deny all these verses.

Scripture is inspired by God. Believe it or not. You have free will.

The carnal mind cannot grasp the things of God. It rationalizes everything that is written about him. Jesus is unique, one of a kind, the prototype.

To believe in the true Jesus, one must believe the following.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me;

For God did not send his Son into the world…[Read more]

Anthony and T8….To say Jesus was born as a massiah, is the same as saying he was a preexisting God or some other kind of deity, angel or whatever…

Not so.

none of you pepole can explain what he was before his berth on this earth can you?

The Logos that was with God.

Jesus is the Son of God. God made all things through him.  Jesus came down from heaven and was sent into the world. He was already the messiah and Lord when he was born

Good point. Evil comes from the heart.

You guys add words to the text. Here is how you need to reword it in order to get your meaning.

For there is born to you, this day, in the city of David, a baby who will become a Savior, who will become Christ the Lord.

But even this false meaning contradicts your own held views.

Nick says Jesus was like him, but had a better CV, but his…[Read more]

You guys hate the idea that Jesus could have existed as the Word that was with God, that you even go as far as to deny that Jesus was the Christ when he was born. You have free will of course to believe anything you want about Jesus, but because you have free will, it means you are also responsible for your own actions and teachings.

For there is…[Read more]

Only preexisters preach Jesus was that at berth, because they believe he came forth from a Pryor existence of somekind, which they can’t even show what that actually Pryor existence was from any scripture.

Scripture teaches it too and that is the one that counts.

If Jesus was born anointed, then why did he later have to be baptized and anointed again?

He was born the Christ and while John initially refused to baptized the one who was greater than him, Jesus said to do it to fulfill all righteousness. The Spirit came upon him and was a sign to John that the one whom the Spirit comes down upon is the…[Read more]