Quote (martian @ April 01 2008,10:51)Since a doctrine is being formed on the basis of this  and a few other scriptures, what is the end conclusion of that doctrien.1. How does it support the plan of God?Hello Martian,While I was at the museum this afternoon I had a thought that might help answer how the pre-existence of the Son of God and His…[Read more]

Hi Martian,These are the Bibles and some scholars that translate this word as “by” ESV, NASB, KJV, NAS, NKJV, NIV. Matthew Henry, Barnes, Adam Clarke.It is translated in the New Testament as “in” the most and “by” a substantial number of times as well. I think that both have credibility. As far as in the verse Col 1:16, I find it as “by” more…[Read more]

Dear Martian,AT Robertson and Westcot and Hort differ from others on whether en is by or in so that is not reliable is it?

So Martian,I would suppose these conclusions to be a theory since there were no witnesses. The writer didn't write from experience or understanding because how would he write about the sun being put in the sky with understanding or any of it for that matter? How did the writer get this info to write down. Did he write verbatim, word for word, or…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Isa 51:9-16My point regarding Isa 51:9-16 and 1 Cor 10:1-5 is not that Christ is the LORD, the Most High God in these passages but that He was the Son of God as a heavenly body used by the LORD to speak for Him and to do things for Him. Christ was used to speak for the LORD even in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. He was…[Read more]

So Nick,So are you suggesting that this is merely speaking of the Holy Spirit and not of the Son? We know that the Son of God was used in creation to establish the heavens and found the earth. It is a vessel that God puts His words in their mouth. The Holy Spirit is not a vessel that speaks for God but the inspiration given to others to speak…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2008,17:12)I believe this speaks of God Himself in the vessel of the Son. The people belonged to God as His chosen people and not to Jesus who had not been born and is not said to have had any prior relationship with them.  Christ was the lamp that shed the light. Thus he too can be called the light of the world.Nick,…[Read more]

Hi Nick, What do you mean when you say this:I believe this speaks of God Himself in the vessel of the Son.

Martian,I think that we got the same general idea. I am not imputing a doctrine in my second point, I am merely acknowledging that it is a possibility while at the same time not demanding it. Remember, we are to lay aside any preconceived notions and let God show us.In my third point I just wanted your #5 to sound less like we are to do exactly…[Read more]

Hi Martian,I'm sorry that you have had to deal with alot of health issues.  I hope that you are done with surgeries for a good while now.  One of my best friends is in a wheelchair because of MS or mold we aren't sure.  I hope you get out of it soon.  It does slow life down abit and give you more time for spiritual reflection, I'm sure.  I imag…[Read more]

Hi Martian,I think that maybe you have much more time to be on here than I do. I am a busy mom with limited time. I have spent alot of time on here initially and now see the need to wrestle with truth more on my own. So, a rapid response discussion is not what you will get from me. I want to study more about the ancient Hebrew ways but I do…[Read more]

Hi Martian,I hope that your friend is doing better. My dad has had years of heart trouble and some major surgeries. I know that is hard.Truly, Martian, I'm not sure that I want to be part of your “game” if you are not going to consider my input and take it to heart and then have kind responses whether in favor or against my views. I understand…[Read more]

Hi Kejonn,You wrote:I think that people want to force Jesus into fitting the role of the Jewish messiah when it is quite apparent that he does not meet the requirements.I write:What topic on this message board spells this out about Him not meeting the requirements? Would you mind showing me so that I can read about it?

Hello Kejonn,I will pray for your mom. I know this is a tough recovery. I spent the first two weeks after surgery with my mom back in January. It seems very painful but rewarding. Your mom just needs to keep doing those exercises and little by little it will get easier and in about a month she will get those awful stockings off.God's…[Read more]

To all,Thank you all for your input towards my thoughts.  I think that I will take a break with this forum for now.  It will be good to take these matters before the Lord.  Whatever I celebrate, I hope to celebrate for the Lord and give thanks.  Past customs are not going to control me and tell me what I should or should not do today, God's spi…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2008,19:03)Quote So Jesus is sweating blood and we are eating chocolate bunnies.Oh GOD please forgive us even of our sins…Lord for we know not what we do. Samuel.  You are wise as well as humble.  And you have not only hit the nail on the head precisely, but you shattered it.  It is insanity.  Complete insanity.  Co…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Where does it say in the Bible that celebrating birthdays are the whore's imitation of the Jewish feasts? I can't find it.Also, I was wondering if you celebrate high school or college graduations? It doesn't say to in the Bible so does that mean that we can't or we will be joining with a whore?

Hi Samuel,You wrote it well when you said:I don't serve Easter Bunnies and Santa Clauses.Christmas and Easter I do celebrate…but the Reason I Celebrate them is because they involve my Saviour.I agree and that sums it up for me too!

Hello to all,I don't know if anyone is getting what I am writing about.  But, I will try again.  I have celebrated the resurrection day and Christ's birth all my life and it has always been centered on Christ.  Santa Claus used to have an important part in the celebration as well as the easter bunny but not the emphasis. They really do not need an…[Read more]

Hello David,You write:I realize you actually believe these things.  But ask yourself how things would go if you stopped celebrating easter (Ishtar)? ME:  Well, David, I know that I have alot to learn about everything.  During my whole life I have accepted that easter was about celebrating the resurrection of Christ.  I never even heard of Ish…[Read more]