Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 02 2008,00:58)Hi LU,The LORD in the OT is never Jesus. It was originally written YHWH. Jesus is not God but the Son of God YAHSHUA. God frequently manifested among men as His angel and sometimes men thought they had met God Himself.Nick,You “speculate” that the third “man” in the passage was an angel but it doesn't say…[Read more]

Nick,What “thing” did Abraham not do that the Jews were doing? And to whom did he not do them to?John 8:39-41 ” If you are Abraham's children, do the deeds of Abraham. 40 “But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. NASUMaybe you can answer this without speculating. LU

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2008,23:32)Hi LU, Why speculate about such matters?Do we know the mind of God enough to predict His ways? Surely we should rely on what can be shown rather than speculations?2 Timothy 2:23But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.Nick,I knew you were going to push the “why…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Sep. 01 2008,02:09)ps, and btw LU, re the title “firstborn” elsewhere I wrote “In the Scriptures the term “first born” of course can mean the literal first born child in a chronological sense, but it can also be a title of honor… now, we know (or we should know) that the Scriptures do not contradict themselves, right?…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2008,15:33)Hi LU, Why should God send His Son twice when He usually sent His angels to do His work?God is fair and expects us to follow Jesus.Jesus did not have a head start having previously had a physical existence on earth IMO.Hi Nick,The way I see it is if God wanted us to believe that His Son was living back when…[Read more]

Thanks t8!God bless,LU

Hi all,Regarding whether or not Jesus existed while Abraham was alive, this passage seems pretty clear to me. In this passage in John 8, Jesus is talking to the Jews. These Jews declared themselves to be sons of Abraham, and even sons of God. They seem to be devout in their religion. Jesus dares to tell them that they aren't sons of Abraham at…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2008,19:05)Hi LU, No you quoted the nicene creed as if it was sacrosanct. It is flawed IMONick,What part of it is flawed in your opinion. Maybe it can be understood as the Son of God actually having a beginning as I pointed out. It doesn't mention anything about three in one, co-eternal,or co-equal.LU

That is correct Nick. The Holy Spirit is the inner Spirit of the Father given to His Son and from His Son to all believers. Not a seperate being.Did I have you worried?LU

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2008,18:41)HI LU, DO you agree with the catholic creed that The Spirit of God is worshipped apart from the Father? Is this written?Hi Nick,I believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds forth from the Father and the Son. Not as a begotten being though.LU

Quote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 31 2008,15:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2008,02:52)In the beginning was the word.  That does not say that the “word” was eternal, it just says that it was in the beginning.  A word has an origin, first it must be a thought.  Surely there must be something more than that for those of you who believe that the Son of Go…[Read more]

In the beginning was the word. That does not say that the “word” was eternal, it just says that it was in the beginning. A word has an origin, first it must be a thought. Surely there must be something more than that for those of you who believe that the Son of God always existed especially if you believe those who don't believe that are…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 30 2008,14:51)Kathi,I think you have brought the most unique argument to the board since I have started here.  I used to think there was nothing new under the sun here, as I've heard the same arguments over and over again.  But your theory of John 1:1 and the Son of God is very unique and I've never heard it before.  …[Read more]

Joh 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”

Hello Oxy,I have a understanding that the Son of God's beginning was announced by the very first spoken “word” of God as it is recorded “in the beginning”. The Son of God is the “Light of Life” and through Him all things came into being on earth and in heaven. The first recorded “word” in the beginning is “Let there be Light. I believe that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 29 2008,20:10)Hi LUQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 29 2008,16:31)I truly see Christ as existing before His incarnation, not as “the Christ” yet, but as the “firstborn”, God's Holy One.  Since I see Him as the literal firstborn, naturally I see Him as the Son of God.  Since I see Him as the actual Son of God I accept that G…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 28 2008,21:10)Hi LUQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 29 2008,03:52)Hi WJ,Thanks, good to hear from you too. The family is well, I now have 3 off to college and only 2 at home and still homeschooling the youngest (11).  Life is good and very expensive Good to hear. Keep up the good work. I honour you for home schooling your…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 28 2008,06:46)Hi LUGood to hear from you, I hope you and yours are doing fine!Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2008,16:42) Well said.  I might add that WJ says that monogenes theos means the one and only God but that is not the correct translation of monogenes.  Mono means “only” or unique” and genes means b…[Read more]

Hi all,I found this interesting this week.  In this passage Jesus is definitely not one of us.  He is the vine, not a branch like we can be.  We aren't the vine, Christ is.  Christ is not the vinedresser, His Father is.  Here we see the Father, the Son, and believers.  All seperate and not the same.  Jesus is not making himself equal to man. J…[Read more]

Hi DK,Very good question. I would like to add that Jesus is God as the begotten God, and I agree, He is not the God that gave Him the revelation. That one is the Most High God. They are not equal, not co-eternal, the Son had a beginning before there was anything in heaven or on earth.Keep up the good work DK,LU