Hi WJ,I just wanted to clear something up. If I understand you correctly, you do not believe in all the statements of the trinity doctrine, right? If so, then you would agree that the trinity doctrine is false, right? If it is only partly correct and not completely correct, it has to be false, IMO.LU

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 04 2008,11:00)Quote (david @ Oct. 04 2008,14:47)Quote The difficulty is this:- John 1:3, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:3 and Heb 1:10 all establish that Yeshua, at the very least, was involved in the creation event. Isa 44:24 does not allow for the involvement of any agency outside of YHWH.Hi Paul.  It's been a while.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 04 2008,05:32)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 04 2008,17:49)Hi LU,So the son of God is not really a son.More of a clone?Nick, I couldn't see in LU's post where that is mentioned. What sentence or text of LU's are you referring to.Thanks.Good question t8, thanks!LU

Hi Nick,Thanks for bumping the topic. It seems that this keeps coming up.LU

Hi Mandy,Malcolm said that he believes that the Son of God was the “arm of God”, the agent used in creation by the Father.  I have said that myself and can certainly understand how that could be.  The scriptures are written in a progressive revelation where the New Testament's teaching shed light on the OT.  Some of the OT has passages say that “I…[Read more]

Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 03 2008,00:58)Hi LUYou mentioned that you have your explanation of how Jesus can be called GOD though he has a beginning, I would be very keen to hear it.OK can I call Jesus my great GOD and Savior and trust Him to be my God and if so, why, since I believe that He has a beginning?I believe I can directly call Jesus…[Read more]

Hi David,I agree with you on that last post. Just look at the culture at the time when there were those who believed in the sun god and the god of the dead, the god of this, the god of that. The Most High God is the God of everything good and the source of everything good. The son is the begotten God who is the receiver of those good things and…[Read more]

Thanks again Malcolm for you response. I tend to agree with you. Another question I would like to ask you if you don't mind. Can you call Jesus your great God and Savior and trust Him to be your God and if so, why, since you believe that He has a beginning?LU

Malcolm,Thank you so much for your input so far. I'm following your reasoning and agree,yeah! What is your response to the fact that the LORD claims that He alone stretched out the heavens and spread out the earth by Himself?Isa 44:2424 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the LORD, am the maker of all…[Read more]

Hi Malcolm,These are some scriptures that you can begin with to explain why the Son of God is called God:Titus 2:13-1413 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession,…[Read more]

Hi Malcolm,Great, I am glad that you agree that the Son of God was born before all creation. I have trouble keeping everyone's beliefs straight, sorry.I am still curious why you think that the Son of God is called God by the Most High God Himself and by others? LU

Hi Malcolm,Why do you think that the Son of God is called God by the Most High God Himself and by others? Also, regarding “firstborn” you said:Quote IMO Jesus was the uniquely begotten Son of GOD.One of a kind, born without an earthly father, born without a fallen nature,firstborn of GOD, firstborn also from the dead.The heir and unable to be…[Read more]

Hi Irene,Goodness! Your family is really being hit. Realize that God is not the one doing the “hit.” He however, is there going through this new storm with you as well as those still lingering. Assure Cindy that my prayers are with her. When is her surgery? Let's think positive here and hope for complete healing for this knee. Get the best…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,02:22)Hi LU, So he was a king before ruling and the Christ before being anointed.Hi Nick,Yes.LU

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2008,01:11)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,00:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2008,16:04)Hi Nick,I don't believe that Jesus had to be born again into the kingdom of God because God was already His Father.LUHi LU, When did God Himself publically declare Jesus to be His son?Nick,What does that matter as far as when He…[Read more]

Hi Mandy,I understand about not being mature enough to handle the info yet.  My daughter will be supervised on here for sure.  Chat rooms and message boards are definetly in our kids futures so I thought it to be a good idea that she learn about it from my supervision and training point of view.Love, K

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,00:52)Hi LU, Was the king born then too, without yet ruling?Matthew 2:2Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.Hi Nick,Yes! Unless you can show me where it says that He became a king.LU

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,00:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2008,16:04)Hi Nick,I don't believe that Jesus had to be born again into the kingdom of God because God was already His Father.LUHi LU, When did God Himself publically declare Jesus to be His son?Nick,What does that matter as far as when He became His Father? The mere words didn't…[Read more]

Hi Nick,I don't believe that Jesus had to be born again into the kingdom of God because God was already His Father.LU

Quote (malcolm ferris @ Sep. 30 2008,23:41)Was he anointed with GOD – yesWhen – from the river Jordan – making him the Christ.He was a man – thus he had his own spirit, which spirit was likened to a LAMB, a meek creature of earth that can be led.Like our spirit from birth? no – ours is fallen, by nature we are rebellious.Like us he had free will.…[Read more]