Quote (thethinker @ April 23 2009,09:26)Lightenup said:Quote Is,I don't agree that the term “was” is ever used in a continual sense like normal imperfect tense words because of what studylight said.  I would like to study their source but they do not state one as far as I can see.Never-the-less, if it can be used in a continuous sense, the term…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2009,01:43)Hi Kathi, One thing the minds of scholars have been busy with for 1800 years is why the trinity idea must be true.Hi Nick,But then if it weren't for the trinity doctrine we would have all this time on our hands to promote other things. Kathi

Quote (thethinker @ April 23 2009,10:02)Lightenup said:Quote I agree that all things IN heaven and ON earth were made through the Son of God and that none of those things came into being apart from the Son of God.  That is where I stand on the matter….The Son of God and the Heavenly Father are already present in the context and so were…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 23 2009,01:25)Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 23 2009,07:03)Hi Keith,Do we still have a difference of opinion on whether James White was focusing on “was” or “in?”  It was “was” correct?Before Isa 1:18 had posted concerning “Was” I had already started this post and I am just now finishing it. (had to go for…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 23 2009,09:18)Quote (Not3in1 @ April 23 2009,17:26)Excellent debate, ladies and gentlemen!It was a pleasure to follow.Mandy,What do you mean that it “was” a pleasure to follow? Do you mean that it “was” according to LU or according to Is.1:18? Sorry, I couldn't resist.   thinkerThank you Mandy and thank you Thinker (that…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 23 2009,00:47)Hi Kathi,The only word John could have chosen for “always was” was the one he used. BlessingsIs,I don't agree that the term “was” is ever used in a continual sense like normal imperfect tense words because of what studylight said. I would like to study their source but they do not state one as far as I can…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 22 2009,21:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,16:02)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,20:52)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,12:31)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,18:49)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,08:45)NT:2258 h@n en (ane); imperfect of NT:1510; I (thou, etc.) was (wast or were):Kathi,An imperfect tense denotes continuous…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,10:55)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,14:24)Hi TT,Your argument is with God and one of His most quoted psalms, ps2.God begat a Son.God is not make in the image of fleshly men.Nick,According to Hebrews God “begat ” Jesus AFTER He purged our sins and sat dwon at God's  right hand,Quote Who being the brughtness…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2009,11:48)Quote (Lightenup @ April 23 2009,03:34)Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,04:50)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,14:41)Thinker Do you mind showing me where I am incorrect?  Do you think that the Greek word for “was” in John 1:1 is not a verb, third person, singular, imperfect, active and…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,04:50)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,14:41)Thinker Do you mind showing me where I am incorrect?  Do you think that the Greek word for “was” in John 1:1 is not a verb, third person, singular, imperfect, active and indicative?Quote The parsing of verbs by Kathi has gotten pathetic. John's prologue is so simple to…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,20:52)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,12:31)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,18:49)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,08:45)NT:2258 h@n en (ane); imperfect of NT:1510; I (thou, etc.) was (wast or were):Kathi,An imperfect tense denotes continuous action does it not?Hi Is,According to this explanation below from…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,22:37)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,14:28)Is,First go here: http://www.studylight.org/isb….=1&l=ennext look at the Greek words under the John 1:1 verse and see “hn (5713)” which “hn” is the “was” in John 1:1.  click on the  “(5713)” and read the “Imperfect” section of the pop up.  This explanation is re…[Read more]

Thinker Do you mind showing me where I am incorrect? Do you think that the Greek word for “was” in John 1:1 is not a verb, third person, singular, imperfect, active and indicative?Quote The parsing of verbs by Kathi has gotten pathetic. John's prologue is so simple to understand,BTW, I think you are not being very kind with your choice of words…[Read more]

Is,First go here: http://www.studylight.org/isb….=1&l=ennext look at the Greek words under the John 1:1 verse and see “hn (5713)” which “hn” is the “was” in John 1:1. click on the “(5713)” and read the “Imperfect” section of the pop up. This explanation is referring to the “hn” or “en” as it is transliterated.Let me know if you followed that.Kathi

Quote (thethinker @ April 21 2009,21:48)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,12:33)Quote (thethinker @ April 21 2009,18:16)Lightenup said:Quote Thinker and Keith,The context already has established that the “Word” was there.  The things that came into being are the other things that came into being through the one who was the “Word.”Kathi,It doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 21 2009,21:53)Lightenup said:Quote Is, The explanation from Studylight.org includes all forms of “eimi” which means to be.  To be is an infinitive verb which is written in the forms: is, am, are, was, were, be, being, been.I am not making this up either.  I even got this info from a trinitarian site.Kathi,Your point b…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,21:25)Or how about Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words?I think this elucidates the misunderstanding….* Note: When not part of another verb, or phrase, these translate eimi, “to be,” e.g., Matt. 1:18, or the following: (a) ginomai, “to become,” e.g., Matt. 8:26; (b) huparcho, “to exist,” especially…[Read more]

Marty,It says that His origins are from ancient time and it does say that He laid the foundations of the world in an active living way.Kathi

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,20:52)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,12:31)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,18:49)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,08:45)NT:2258 h@n en (ane); imperfect of NT:1510; I (thou, etc.) was (wast or were):Kathi,An imperfect tense denotes continuous action does it not?Hi Is,According to this explanation below from…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 21 2009,17:50)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,09:31)Quote (942767 @ April 21 2009,17:15)Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,08:01)Quote (thethinker @ April 21 2009,15:06)Lightenup said:Quote Good grief why would God who is complete need a counterpart to reproduce?  Man needs a helpmate, God does not.Kathi,Agreed. Then why do…[Read more]