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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ May 31 2009,00:00)Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2009,15:51)Bo,What do you think would have happened if the one He sent did not go to the cross and die but instead sent for the legion of angels to come and get Him?What do you think happened before he was sent?Do you think Abraham, Moses, David, Isaac, Elijah….etcwere in hell or…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Bo,What do you think would have happened if the one He sent did not go to the cross and die but instead sent for the legion of angels to come and get Him?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Hi Bo,I do believe that GOD Almighty is truly my Savior but it is because Jesus paid for my sins and God Almighty accepted that payment in full, without that payment that came through the shedding of the blood of His Son, none of us would be saved.Blessings,LU

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    Irene,Would you like me to call you up and talk you through it?

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    That sounds good Irene. Do you have a webcam by chance? You don't need one.Love, Kathi

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Irene,When I say that the Son came from the womb of GOD I say it in a rather poetic way to express that He was begotten/born from the very being of the one who beget Him by birth and not created. He is God's only begotten son…there is your proof that He was not created. Are any of the angels begotten? Don't you think that when someone is…[Read more]

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    Oh Stu,I would talk to any of those on your inappropriate list. By inappropriate I mean offensive in speech or perverted, not people with different views. I'd talk to you Stu. I'd be interested to see if you look like a monkey :) I'm just kidding.LU

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    So, Irene, when Georg says “You're too much” what exactly is that supposed to mean? ??? Love,Kathi

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Hi Mandy and Irene,Thanks Mandy for your encouraging words.Irene, I have believed that the Son was the firstborn of all creation for the past 16 years. I have tried to make that clear. Sorry but I don't know why you wouldn't know that. You don't believe that He was literally the “firstborn” you believe that He was the first-adopted and…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Quote (thethinker @ May 29 2009,18:00)Quote (Lightenup @ May 30 2009,05:54)Thinker,You seem to gloss over that I believe that the Son has the same divine nature as the Father which I believe came by reproduction since He is called the Son of GOD.  I believe that makes Him, the Son, God to us also along with the Father but at the same time not…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Keith and Thinker,You both wrote this apparently that literally the verse should use this word order:Quote John 1:1; “…the Word was with God, and God was the Word”.As far as I learned of the Greek grammar, if two words within a clause are both written in the nominative case, the one with the definite article takes precedence as the subject which…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Thinker,You seem to gloss over that I believe that the Son has the same divine nature as the Father which I believe came by reproduction since He is called the Son of GOD. I believe that makes Him, the Son, God to us also along with the Father but at the same time not always existent as the Father alone is which obviously makes the Son not equal…[Read more]

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    Quote (Cindy @ May 29 2009,05:40)KathiChildren are the flesh and blood of their parents, genes and all; that not only makes them equal to their parents, but in many cases it makes them taller, smarter, and stronger; in that sense they are not only the parents equal, but better. The Father in heaven has no equal, he is divine, immortal, so would…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Hi t8,i would agree with a lot of that too. The Father is GOD without the Son but the Son is not God apart from the Father. IMO I do think that the Father is not a “saving” GOD apart from the Son as in saving us from eternal separation from Him but He (the Father) is GOD apart from the Son. The Father and the Son are both necessary for our…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,I understand about the “omni's” being presumptions.  I do believe that the Most High GOD, if not technically omniscient, He would know everything that was possible, more than any other.  He knows the most:) Also, He is the most powerful, and can be wherever He wants to be. LU

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    Hi Irene,I study mainly with the NASB but I often compare several versions and then do a word study if I think one version is saying a different thing than another one. Many Greek manuscripts have been discovered and more knowledge has been gained since the writings in the KJ Bible. The Holy Spirit is required for gaining understanding. I have…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years ago

    Quote (thethinker @ May 28 2009,16:15)Lightenup said to Keith:Quote Sorry, but the trinity does not reveal the Jesus that they preached.  The trinity definitely speaks about a different Jesus.  At least, you admit that the trinity came as a later supposed revelation.  Since it is a later “revelation” it was not one that the apostles knew or wr…[Read more]

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    Hi Keith,I think that you have abilities confused with nature. Nature is something that can be passed on by means of reproduction. Therefore, the nature that you see in the Son is also the nature of the Father. Satan is a liar by nature, God is truth by nature. I believe that the nature of GOD and the Son could simply be the fullness of truth…[Read more]

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    Quote (Cindy @ May 28 2009,04:24)KathiWhy does it always say, “I will be his father”?Do you tell people you meet, “I will be the mother of my children?”Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;  He is the beginning of God's…[Read more]

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