Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2009,17:46)Quote (Cindy @ June 25 2009,17:28)W.J.  I do believe that John 1:1 is the Word that was with God.  However I do not believe that He always existed.  Col. 1:15 says that He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.Rev. 3:14 …” These things says the Amen, the Faithful and Tr…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 25 2009,17:18)Lightenup said:Quote Thinker and WJ,And I thought that you guys say that the “word” submitted to the Father and became a servant.  You say that it was an “eternal word” that existed before it became flesh.But that would make no sense since a word cannot submit or not submit, it is just an expression of a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2009,16:31)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2009,13:17)Quote (thethinker @ June 25 2009,13:06)WorshipingJesus said to Kathi:Quote Hi KathiSo you think that invalidates John 1:1-3?Your argument is a red herring and leaves out the fact that Jesus who was in very nature God left his place of Glory and submitted to the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 25 2009,15:47)WorshippingJesus said to Kathi:Quote Please try real hard not to read into the scriptures with your Henotheistic glasses on please.“HenotheismHenotheists recognize a single deity, and view other Gods and Goddesses as manifestations or aspects of that supreme God.  They choose one aspect to worship without…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 25 2009,13:06)WorshipingJesus said to Kathi:Quote Hi KathiSo you think that invalidates John 1:1-3?Your argument is a red herring and leaves out the fact that Jesus who was in very nature God left his place of Glory and submitted to the Father by becoming a servant through taking on the likeness of sinful flesh and being…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2009,11:38)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2009,11:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2009,02:09)Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2009,21:14)Keith and Bo,Who is the “I” in this passage.  If it is the Son and the Son is God replace the I with “God” and continue to read.Rev 3:1212 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,12:43)Quote (thethinker @ June 26 2009,04:31)Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,He literally was begotten of the Father.Kathi,How can you say that Christ was literally begotten seeing that God is spirit?  Lightenup said:Quote The Son's resurrection was proof that the Son accomplished the main purpose of His being…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,12:33)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2009,03:15)Quote (thethinker @ June 25 2009,03:53)Lightenup said to bd:Quote Well, Bo, I do believe that the most High God would be the only true God ultimately.  But, what type of God would come from the one true God?  Would a false God come from a true God?  Would false light co…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 25 2009,06:14)Lightenup:The Truth that I have found is that devils,demons,satan, et.al. are just thought messages against the Truth of God. They are lies and deception and un-truth. These thoughts come to steal the word of Truth from your mind. One who overcomes the lies and deception against the Truth becomes ONE with/in…[Read more]

Thinker,How does the flesh levitate itself off the ground?Kathi

Quote (thethinker @ June 25 2009,03:53)Lightenup said to bd:Quote Well, Bo, I do believe that the most High God would be the only true God ultimately.  But, what type of God would come from the one true God?  Would a false God come from a true God?  Would false light come from true light…no!  Don't come to the conclusion that if one is the onl…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2009,02:09)Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2009,21:14)Keith and Bo,Who is the “I” in this passage.  If it is the Son and the Son is God replace the I with “God” and continue to read.Rev 3:1212 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write…[Read more]

Nick,Why would the Father tell the angels to worship the Son yet forbid us from worshipping the Son? No where did He forbid us to worship the Son as part of worshipping Him.See Hebrews 1.LU

Quote (TechJoe @ June 25 2009,00:33)WOW there is a lot of stuff in here! I’m a fundamentalist so let’s look at something fundamental. GEN 1:1, 2  “In the beginning God… And the Sprit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Hmmmm God + the Spirit of God + Jesus Christ = Let me take a wild guess here! “3”.Hi Joe,You are right that makes three…[Read more]

Hi Nick,I believe that the Father feels worshipped when we worship His Son. His Son always leads us to the Father and the Father always leads us to His Son.LU

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 24 2009,19:00)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2009,10:56)Bo,When a word is repeated twice in a verse then there is a first instance that it is used and a second instance that it is used.  In John 1:1 the word “God” is used twice, a first time when it says “and the word was with God” and a second time when it says “and the…[Read more]

Keith and Bo,Who is the “I” in this passage. If it is the Son and the Son is God replace the I with “God” and continue to read.Rev 3:1212 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem,…[Read more]

Bo,When a word is repeated twice in a verse then there is a first instance that it is used and a second instance that it is used. In John 1:1 the word “God” is used twice, a first time when it says “and the word was with God” and a second time when it says “and the word was God.” I think that you read that I am saying that there is a first most…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2009,17:52)Quote (Paladin @ June 24 2009,16:36)Quote (thethinker @ June 25 2009,05:53)WorshippingJesus said:Quote Hi Kathi”The Word was God”, or “God was the Word”, if God is “eternal” then the Word is “eternal”!That is unambiguous!WJ,You're absolutely correct. It is unambiguous!thinkerGive me a…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 24 2009,17:26)Kathi  I was rather surprised that you honor the Father and the Son the same way.  I do not. The Son does deserve honor, but not the same then the Father.  You do know what it says in Ephesians 4:6  The Father is,above all. So all worship goes to the Father. The Father is the Almighty God while Jesus is the Mig…[Read more]