Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,21:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,12:28)YepThis is what happens when the light is turned on. They just start making accusations for they have no defence to the truth.Not at all a new thing, this is what they accused Jesus of in his day.WJYou know what WJ?I have watched you and Jack double team so many…[Read more]

A protestant pastor on begetting: Quote What the language of the Nicene Creed wanted to say was that the Son is God just as the Father is God. It was intended to assert an equality of being. And for that what was needed was a language other than the language of making. What we beget is like ourselves. What we make is not; it is the product of our…[Read more]

Keith,Death is of the flesh, not the spirit. Christ's flesh died but did not decay and was resurrected and joined once again with His Spirit.Yes, I have been born again.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,16:32)Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2010,07:55)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,10:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,02:38)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,18:47)He didn't say the I and the Father “am” one.No that would be improper english.But he did say I and the Father “are one” not “are one” in…[Read more]

Here is a little answer to Islam regarding the begotten Son.  It seems that WJ and Roo would side with the Islam' s here.Quote Begetting and Self-sufficiencyThis is a self-contradiction due to confusion of terms.10:68They say : “Allah hath begotten a son!” Glory be to Him! He is self-sufficient! His are all things in heaven and on earth! No…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,10:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,02:38)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,18:47)He didn't say the I and the Father “am” one.No that would be improper english.But he did say I and the Father “are one” not “are one” in unity. But he also said he was the “I am”, didn't he?Quote (Lightenup @ July 26…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2010,12:06)Quote (davidbfun @ July 23 2010,22:04)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2010,23:19)Hi Davidbfun,Tell me why the Holy Spirit is not listed in these verses if the Holy Spirit is indeed equally a separate person as the Son and the Father.There is no need to explain gender at this point.  I don't even believe that the…[Read more]

I agree with you that Jesus existed prior to His existence in the flesh as the Son of God.

Hi Mike,I think that Calvin agrees with you too:Quote 62. What if you shall see the Son of man ascend to where he was before? The mean and despicable condition of Christ which they saw before their eyes, while, clothed with flesh, he was not at all different from other men, prevented them from submitting to his Divine power; but now — by w…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 26 2010,18:09)Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,17:55)I believe all that but I also believe that scriptures support the Son being the firstborn over all creation and that firstborn created all things in heaven and on earth.KathiAmbiguous, for the term “firstborn” in relation to Jesus simply means he has the preeminence…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 26 2010,18:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2010,09:52)Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,17:38)Well,I see it where He was begotten as the Son of God before the ages, begotten as the Son of God as a man in Mary, begotten from the dead at the resurrection.KathiYet we know he existed when he was begotten as the Son of…[Read more]

I don't believe that Christ is a member of creation.

He didn't say that I and the Father “am” one.  I believe in unity within the Godhead.  The beginning that I believe in is the beginning of a separate person than the Father.  Most early Christians believe that the separate person had a beginning in His separateness.  His eternal substance could very well be within a seed in the Father which bor…[Read more]

Keith,You admit speculation on your part. I asked God and came up with the understanding that the Son is a true Son begotten before the ages. I can not deny that.

I believe all that but I also believe that scriptures support the Son being the firstborn over all creation and that firstborn created all things in heaven and on earth.

Well,I see it where He was begotten as the Son of God before the ages, begotten as the Son of God as a man in Mary, begotten from the dead at the resurrection.

Keith,You do know that you and roo differ on when this begotten takes place don't you?

Roo,I never said that the Father begets the way a human father begets. The womb that I suggest could be the bosom of God, I don't know, it is not like a flesh womb. God is not flesh and doesn't bring forth offspring like flesh. That doesn't mean that He can't bring forth offspring in His own way. I'm talking about a true offspring…one like…[Read more]

Roo,You are the volcano of love. The fruit of the spirit just leaks from your pores…hmmm My Jesus is the true Son of God. God of God. I have never spoken about God having sex with a goddess like Greek mythology, nor has Mike.You condem not only me but many of the early Christians that place the begetting of the Son before the ages. The…[Read more]

Two blind men are healed and saved.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OrW1nkd2U8&feature=related