Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,10:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)And yes, beginning and end have meaning because of the existence of time.KathiExactly, and if you take away the beginning and the end then you have no time but only eternity.Once again…”SHOW ME A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THERE WERE DAYS OR TIME BEFORE THE BEGINNING OR…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,10:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)If there were no time, there would be no sequence of before and after or during.KathiBut there was no “Before” in eternity past was there?How could there be something before “eternity”?That would be like saying there was something before God who is eternal,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,22:28)Kathi:Quote Mike,Isn't the Almighty the God OF all creation?  In the group of 'creation' we would have the God of all creation, the Lord of all creation, the men of all creation, the angels of all creation, etc.Really Kathi?  Come on now.  Jehovah is the Creator of the sinners in this world.  Is He also a p…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 22 2010,03:21)Whoever !Time often has no real meaning,A weeks punishment boredom or misery can seem as an eternity…time drags ! A weeks enjoyment can go by in no time !God has no need for time, with all of eternity, there is no beginning no end, no in between. Only we are time limited.In the beginning was the word, there…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,00:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,22:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,16:32)There had to be some sense of time before creation, otherwise nothing could be before something else.Why? There was nothing before the beginning of all things but God, was there? If…[Read more]

Here is a quote from Athenagoras and you certainly won't find the idea of three 'persons' here:Quote CHAPTER X.—THE CHRISTIANS WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST.That we are not atheists, therefore, seeing that we acknowledge one God, uncreated, eternal, invisible, impassible, incomprehensible, illimitable, who is apprehended by the u…[Read more]

Mike,He is part of them as being their creator and sustainer but He is not part of them as a fellow sinner.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,22:20)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,13:26)There are going to be wolves that are imitating sheep and there are going to be deceptive and uncalled by God, people acting as shepherds…i.e. Jim Jones.We need to have a discerning spirit to know the difference.Hi Kathi, You mention Jim Jones.  He didn't hide his…[Read more]

Pierre,Who are you to talk against opinion? You just posted one of yours.

Mike,Isn't the Almighty the God OF all creation? In the group of 'creation' we would have the God of all creation, the Lord of all creation, the men of all creation, the angels of all creation, etc.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,22:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,13:13)I would suggest that the creator AND the created would be included in the group called 'creation.'Hi Kathi,And the progress comes to a halt again. So you think God Almighty is part of the group of “creation”?  He is the One who created the group of “creation”……how…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,16:32)There had to be some sense of time before creation, otherwise nothing could be before something else.Why? There was nothing before the beginning of all things but God, was there? If so then Eternity was without time. God does not live in the confinements of Time. He…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2010,17:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,15:47)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2010,10:06)Kathythen why you do not explain it to me??PierrePierre,Think of how a good shepherd would treat his sheep.  He would protect them from evil.  He would know the difference between evil and good and would promote the good i…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Ok maybe we are making progress. Let us clarify something…What/who would the group called 'creation' include?I would suggest that the creator AND the created would be included in the group called 'creation.'

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2010,10:06)Kathythen why you do not explain it to me??PierrePierre,Think of how a good shepherd would treat his sheep. He would protect them from evil. He would know the difference between evil and good and would promote the good influences. He would also feed them good food, and provide shelter if need be. He would…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 20 2010,12:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 18 2010,17:42)Hi Keith and Mike,I see that you are discussing 'today' again.  I would like to mention that somewhere outside of our realm there is no night, just day as far as I can tell.Rev 21:23-2523 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 20 2010,13:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2010,01:23)Dennison,Thanks for your picture. So are you saying by this picture that the Father is a 'part of' God, the Son is a 'part of' God, and the Holy Spirit is a 'part of' God?Lu,No, lets define the Terms correctly.I dont believe that God was ALWAYS Father sense that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2010,22:07)Kathi:Quote Mike,Someone could be the firstborn of ten children but nine of them could have been adopted.  Get it.  It doesn't mean that the firstborn was adopted does it?But it does mean the firstborn is a part of the “group of those ten children” doesn't it?Kathi:Quote Yes, it does and this proves it:Col 1…[Read more]

t8,I really enjoyed this! I'm not sure what being a member here has done to my time perspective but I would bet that it has affected it. Thanks for putting this up!

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2010,08:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2010,22:59)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2010,22:44)mikeyou see how Kathy uses certain of your comments were you show the folly of some thinking to someone else and cut it and paste it to twisted the faith you preach in Christ,and then quote ;29 I know that after my going away…[Read more]