Keith,I have never said that I accept the Athanasian Creed in full, lets get that straight.I do agree with the Apostle's Creed and the Nicene Creed.I do agree in part with the Athanasian Creed though.Eternally begotten generally seems to mean that He was begotten from eternal substance of the Father during eternity and not during a time in the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2010,15:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2010,12:52)Think Pierre!Kathyyes i think that's why i am,if i would not think i would not be.but there is a greater I AM than me that i fallow because i am because he is God and because of his son i could be what i am ,Kathy did you ever wander of what live is worth if you do not…[Read more]

Think Pierre!

Keith,With comments like this from Athanasius, I see there is the word 'begat' and the word 'offspring.' I see that it was the Father who begat the Son and the Son is not only called the Son but also an offspring. This is not a 'begotten by designation or predestination.'Quote Well, then, the Word of God created all things, not being a creature,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2010,07:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,01:34)t8,I really enjoyed this!  I'm not sure what being a member here has done to my time perspective but I would bet that it has affected it.  Thanks for putting this up!Thanks.But looks like you already saw it.Hi t8,I saw it here first and thought it was interesting so I posted it o…[Read more]

Mike,I just wanted to encourage you to keep searching for truth. You are learning a lot and you try to answer everybody with thoughtful posts. Don't let these guys discourage you. Regarding 'begotten' the creeds decree that it was before the ages and that would mean that those who hold to the creeds would at least agree with you that it…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so;…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,23:22)Hi Dennison,I stated that if anything exists there is time.  So we know that God always existed, therefore time existed.  Time and existence go hand in hand with each other imo.  Because God exists, therefore time exists and in that order.  What happened on day one of creation was a beginning to a specific tim…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,04:18)Lu,Here is the Definition of TimeTime–noun 1. the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another. 2. duration regarded as belonging to the present life as distinct f…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 26 2010,19:13)Quote (Baker @ Sep. 22 2010,04:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,15:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2010,22:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,14:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,04:14)MikeWhen Jesus touched the lepers (leprousy was a type of sin) he did not get infected by it, instead the essence…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2010,01:14)God does create beings that are like him. God is spirit and heavenly angels are spirits for example.If God desires fellowship, then you think that he would give life to beings that are like him.Hi t8-Here are the definitions that JA posted:Quote What is the difference between 'Create' and 'ProCreate'?And which, then,…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,I stated that if anything exists there is time.  So we know that God always existed, therefore time existed.  Time and existence go hand in hand with each other imo.  Because God exists, therefore time exists and in that order.  What happened on day one of creation was a beginning to a specific time period measured in a peculiar way…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2010,21:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2010,06:40)Thanks Dennison,The word in 1 John 1 is called the word of life so maybe that has something to do with the 'action' idea.  If you think about it, God always existed and then there had to be a first thing to exist in a living way after Him.  So, that would be the 'word o…[Read more]

No problem Irene!Love ya,Kathi

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,15:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The term 'eternally begotten' is quite an elusive term, don't you think?Kathi You mean like “God begetting a God” before the ages or time?WJKeith,How many quotes do I have to show you…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,16:57)Keith,Are you more comfortable if I said that begotten means He came FROM the Father as an offspring as opposed to being self-existent?Do you like those words better?KathiIt doesn't matter how you word it. I you believe at any point Jesus had a beginning before he…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:07)My purpose is to show you that there is more to their view than what you think and that is the part I quote because I want you to see their other views that contradict yours.Kathi How?For Athanasius and others to say that Jesus is “eternally begotten” and “without a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so;…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so;…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,17:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The majority of Christian trinitarians agree with the creeds.KathiAnd so do I. I have already shown you that I can say that Jesus was begotten from eternity just like we were chosen…[Read more]